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I agree with the perspective on the article's claim. Back in the 70s, the Vatican held a stance against homosexuality, but now it has adopted a more inclusive approach by supporting the idea of blessing same-sex partnerships.

I have noticed that there are individuals within the Christian community who criticize and disapprove of the observance of "Christmas," often supporting their argument with biblical reasoning. It appears that the Watchtower Society is not the only organization that is becoming more open in its approach to studying the Bible in various areas.

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7 hours ago, George88 said:

I agree with the perspective on the article's claim. Back in the 70s, the Vatican held a stance against homosexuality, but now it has adopted a more inclusive approach by supporting the idea of blessing same-sex partnerships.

I have noticed that there are individuals within the Christian community who criticize and disapprove of the observance of "Christmas," often supporting their argument with biblical reasoning. It appears that the Watchtower Society is not the only organization that is becoming more open in its approach to studying the Bible in various areas.

I think that the ban on celebrating birthdays is a stupid idea, which has no basis in the Biblical text. A revision of such dogma at WTJWorg is needed.

As for "Christmas", the exact date is not known, so its celebration is questionable. In addition, Jesus is not on Earth, so he cannot be congratulated or brought gifts. 

Let us therefore dwell on the birthdays of mortals. lol

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Papa Goldfish to Mama Goldfish, in their Golden Years “ You know, babe, we have had a good life in this pond, plenty of food, clean water, and seen the birth of our 22,000 children. We should celebrate!”

” A life without celebration is like sleeping upside down on the surface.”

 

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Well …. I am just glad that in Finland the WTB&TS decided that the $12,000,000 government tax subsidy was so important that now … in Finland … there are (theoretically) no Congregational sanctions against Brothers and Sisters voting for issues they believe in (This has all been extensively discussed here previously at great length …), because Finland considers voting a fundamental human right that must never be abridged, or punished. 

Had the society not done this they would have been “deregistered”, AND forfeited all that moolah!

Be careful when someone in AUTHORITY tells you how to view something that may cause the civilization you depend on to succeed or fail, taking you with it either way.

How many times have “they” been right …. and how many times have “they” been wrong?  

The answer is important!

If “they” are wrong … ,  “they” pay NO Price whatsoever … not even an apology for screwing up your lives.

Follow the money, and you learn WHY things really happen.

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2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

 

Had the society not done this they would have been “deregistered”, AND forfeited all that moolah!

Be careful when someone in AUTHORITY tells you how to view something that may cause the civilization you depend on to succeed or fail, taking you with it either way.

How many times have “they” been right …. and how many times have “they” been wrong?  

The answer is important!

If “they” are wrong … ,  “they” pay NO Price whatsoever … not even an apology for screwing up your lives.

Follow the money, and you learn WHY things really happen.

 

Thanks for update on this in Finland.

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29 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Thanks for update on this in Finland.

It’s “old news”, possibly 4 or 5 years old …    


There will be a Governing Body update #2105-8 to all Branch Offices and Congregations worldwide sometime after about 80+ years.

All the Elders will be … um … scratching their beards.

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15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

As for "Christmas", the exact date is not known, so its celebration is questionable. In addition, Jesus is not on Earth, so he cannot be congratulated or brought gifts. 

Let us therefore dwell on the birthdays of mortals. lol

It has been a while, so please bear in mind that the information I'm about to share is based on my memory and may not be entirely accurate. However, to the best of my recollection, Although the exact date of Christ's birth remains unknown, the concern among modern Christians lies not so much in his actual birthday, but rather in the connection that has been researched between his birth and the celebration of the pagan sun god, which took place from December 19 to December 25.

The birthdate is additionally marred by the ominous presence of Herod Antipas, as he cruelly executed John the Baptist during his own birthday feast. Should a Christian celebrate their birthday if it is tainted by an evil action? I'm not referring to a disingenuous or a disgruntled one that doesn't share Christian values.

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Voter rights, especially for registered voters in America who believe they serve man instead of God. The disingenuous are speaking once again.

In this scenario, the minority would have compelled Jesus to cast a vote, or risk losing financial support from the Romans who backed other religions, even though they were hypocritical because the believers did not wish to be involved in worldly matters.

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12 minutes ago, George88 said:

It has been a while, so please bear in mind that the information I'm about to share is based on my memory and may not be entirely accurate. However, to the best of my recollection, Although the exact date of Christ's birth remains unknown, the concern among modern Christians lies not so much in his actual birthday, but rather in the connection that has been researched between his birth and the celebration of the pagan sun god, which took place from December 19 to December 25.

The birthdate is additionally marred by the ominous presence of Herod Antipas, as he cruelly executed John the Baptist during his own birthday feast. Should a Christian celebrate their birthday if it is tainted by an evil action? I'm not referring to a disingenuous or a disgruntled one that doesn't share Christian values.

I agree that celebrating Christmas is nonsense, because the date of that celebration is not connected with the date of the birth of Jesus. Plus, in general, the custom took on a materialistic character, rather than the meaning of the alleged event. A short visit to church and mass is not enough to bring people closer to Jesus, because most are too busy with formalism and a consumer mentality.

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