JW Children and baptism

[Pudgy]

How about this …..

Quit butting in to be Baptismal Regulators, and leave  the people alone to make their own mistakes.

The Baptismal Covenant is between each individual person, and God and Christ.

Butt out and just watch who is mature and who isn’t. Teach them well, and don’t exile, shun and destroy family relationships.

When they screw up, and they will, let Jehovah handle it.

It’s HIS Covenant Arrangement.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

16 minutes ago, BTK59 said:

No matter how you choose to present your argument about the concept of "spiritual maturity," ultimately, it all comes down to the process of spiritual growth.

 

17 minutes ago, BTK59 said:

*** w22 August p. 2 Young Ones—Continue to Make Progress After Baptism***

According to WTJWorg the alleged "spiritual growth", progress is conditioned by a good understanding and daily reading of "spiritual literature". If we exclude the Bible, which people in general and even JWs themselves will not be able to understand without the aid of WTJWorg, i.e. the huge amount of written material that explains and interprets the Bible, we arrive at the following:

"Spiritual growth" in WTJWorg means constant change of theology, clarification and abandonment of "incorrect truths" because of some new "incorrect truths".

Indeed, all those baptized children were indeed not "spiritually mature" when they agreed to accept the WTJWorg conditions for baptism.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Many Miles said:

But I must ask, what is "scriptural maturity"?

lol,

"Scriptural maturity" means understanding the meaning of the WTJWorg statement which reads: 

Children are not fully developed in their ability to think, to reason, or to recognize and avoid danger. (1 Cor. 13:11) 

After that, the person will also understand the mentioned biblical quote.

[Srecko Sostar]

8 hours ago, George88 said:

You have yet to provide evidence that proves the connection between baptism and the potential hazards of deceiving children.

Proof, evidence of this is all those "JW kids" who left WTJWorg years or even decades later.

[BTK59]

45 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

According to WTJWorg the alleged "spiritual growth", progress is conditioned by a good understanding and daily reading of "spiritual literature". If we exclude the Bible, which people in general and even JWs themselves will not be able to understand without the aid of WTJWorg, i.e. the huge amount of written material that explains and interprets the Bible, we arrive at the following:

"Spiritual growth" in WTJWorg means constant change of theology, clarification and abandonment of "incorrect truths" because of some new "incorrect truths".

Indeed, all those baptized children were indeed not "spiritually mature" when they agreed to accept the WTJWorg conditions for baptism.

Did you manage to accomplish everything on your own without guidance from your parents, teachers, or schools? Furthermore, have you chosen to obey your government's legislation yourself, or were you taught about those laws?

How can you personally guarantee someone else's actions? Do you have psychic abilities or supernatural powers to predict the future? Could you have anticipated that a 66-year-old man who was baptized would later commit child abuse? Bear in mind that there are various forms of child abuse.

[George88]

55 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Proof, evidence of this is all those "JW kids" who left WTJWorg years or even decades later.

It seems that you have a limited understanding of baptism and human nature. Who influenced and guided those who have turned away? It certainly wasn't the Watchtower. I have encountered numerous religious apostates in my experience, and none are as ignorant as those who used to be part of the Watchtower. Unlike other apostates who have a clear purpose, those who left the Watchtower seem to only focus on nitpicking and complaining about matters they don't comprehend or argue effectively.

You should take the time to comprehend Paul's message to the Roman congregations, particularly in Romans 2:1-3.
I'm not sure if I previously mentioned this in another discussion, but Paul's message to the Galatians in 6:5 remains unchanged.

[Srecko Sostar]

9 minutes ago, George88 said:

Galatians in 6:5

Through WTJWorg baptism, a person begins to bear the "burdens" placed on him by religious leaders. 

The developed Society Method goes in the direction of a person convincing himself that such a "burden" is his own choice and that it was not imposed on him, but that the "burden" was created by the individual's own actions.

Something along the lines of; "God wants it", or "God wants me to carry this "burden", or "I want God to "burden" me like this.

The "Burden", which became the Real Burden, became the result of a wrong choice made by the person himself by allowing the religious leaders to convince him of the necessity of the choice itself.

[George88]

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Through WTJWorg baptism, a person begins to bear the "burdens" placed on him by religious leaders. 

I eagerly await for you to demonstrate the validity of your claims not through isolated incidents, but as a comprehensive whole. Provide clear evidence of how the Watchtower is compelling the fellowship through baptism practices that contradict scripture. If we follow your reasoning, it implies that Jesus coerced the apostles into following him and imposed Christianity on the world. Thus, my assertion remains valid.

Therefore, what was the reason for Paul's ministry?

[Srecko Sostar]

@George88

Answers are in this comment, again:

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Through WTJWorg baptism, a person begins to bear the "burdens" placed on him by religious leaders. 

The developed Society Method goes in the direction of a person convincing himself that such a "burden" is his own choice and that it was not imposed on him, but that the "burden" was created by the individual's own actions.

Something along the lines of; "God wants it", or "God wants me to carry this "burden", or "I want God to "burden" me like this.

The "Burden", which became the Real Burden, became the result of a wrong choice made by the person himself by allowing the religious leaders to convince him of the necessity of the choice itself.

 

[George88]

@Srecko Sostar Opinions do not serve as evidence, nor do they provide a concise response.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, George88 said:

@Srecko Sostar Opinions do not serve as evidence, nor do they provide a concise response.

However, opinions are an indicator of whether we are more or less sane. With that evidence, someone could start to prove this or that. lol

[Matthew9969]

8 hours ago, George88 said:

Provide clear evidence of how the Watchtower is compelling the fellowship through baptism practices that contradict scripture.

Hope this helps:

Matthew 28:19... Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

watchtower: (1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?”

(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”