JW Canada: Judge authorizes class action for Jehovah's Witnesses sex abuse victims

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8 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

And isn't the IICSA going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's ?  Why would they bother if they didn't think there were things being hidden ? 

If they are, they have "hidden" their intention up to now. They are investigating:

• Cambridge House, Knowl View and Rochdale
• Children in Custodial Institutions
• Children Outside the UK
• Child Sexual Exploitation by Organised Networks
• Institutional Responses to Allegations Concerning Lord Janner
• Lambeth Council
• Nottinghamshire Councils
• Residential Schools
• The Anglican Church
• The Internet
• The Roman Catholic Church
• Westminster

Where did you pick up that information? Where did they say they are going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's? The only mention of Jehohavah's Witnesses so far has been by Rod Jones, social worker for  Nottingham, who said he had to deal with cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses children and blood transfusions although there are no specific details.

 

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11 hours ago, Anna said:

Actually, these things are not secret, any publisher can read about them in various publications. ("Organized to do Jehovah's Will" and WT articles.).

Yes Anna, many of materials are available for public reading. Some other information, documents and guiding instructions are not. If you are good with some elder in cong. ask him, for example, what part (does it exist) of Letter to congregations from WT are for reading before all members and what part of that same letter is only for elders.

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9 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Don’t push your ideology on me. You are the one suggesting the Watchtower should break man’s laws.

No i am not that one who suggesting this. :)) WT publications openly using some Bible verses about that how JW member must listening Bible and God more than Secular Government. In other words, with life examples in publications, they (GB) supporting disobedience to Human Laws made by Secular Authority.  

In next step of this doctrine is idea, how WTJWorg organization is only organization that is guided by God and how members have to listen GB aka FDS who are God's channel of communication, Represents, Mediators  between God (Jesus) and His servants aka JW members here on Earth.

In next step, GB clearly say how they alone are only group who are appointed from God to run this Organization and make explanation about Bible and doctrines and instructions about that how worshiping in daily life should be look like.

Who push whose and what Ideology on people? Systematically and Organizationally.  

[JOHN BUTLER]

2 hours ago, Outta Here said:

If they are, they have "hidden" their intention up to now. They are investigating:

• Cambridge House, Knowl View and Rochdale
• Children in Custodial Institutions
• Children Outside the UK
• Child Sexual Exploitation by Organised Networks
• Institutional Responses to Allegations Concerning Lord Janner
• Lambeth Council
• Nottinghamshire Councils
• Residential Schools
• The Anglican Church
• The Internet
• The Roman Catholic Church
• Westminster

Where did you pick up that information? Where did they say they are going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's? The only mention of Jehohavah's Witnesses so far has been by Rod Jones, social worker for  Nottingham, who said he had to deal with cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses children and blood transfusions although there are no specific details.

 

Well it's been a year since the rumour first started, but the IICSA are very busy as you know :- 

https://www.theweek.co.uk/92180/jehovah-s-witnesses-face-possible-child-sex-abuse-inquiry

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

and Jehovah really does have a Congregational Arrangement, and Jehovah's Witnesses , globally, "ARE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN!" 

Oh dear are you suffering from shell shock or something.

If an Organisation needs to be run on lies and deceit by a group of 8 Americans (basically), then in my opinion it is not God's Organisation.  

And if they need to replace the Anointed by using Elders who are not spirit anointed then how is that right ?

And I will stick to my personal idea that, as the scriptures were written with the guidance of Holy Spirit, and as the Bible was 'put together' by means of Holy Spirit, then it can only be fully understood by God supplying His Holy spirit through Jesus Christ. So if the GB are not inspired of God's Holy spirit it gives very good reason that they cannot understand the scriptures and therefore get many things wrong. 

JW's follow 8 men and it's writing department and it's legal department.

The Elders serve as puppets to the GB and act as policemen to the congregation with the intention of making the JW Org look clean. Unfortunately the 'bowl' is only washed on the outside, so inside it's still filthy. 

And this is your 'Only Game In town' ? 

Then may God have mercy on the human race. 

[JOHN BUTLER]

3 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

How does this fair any different with our institutions that you fail to mention to further your cause of hate, get real man, shell shock, just look in the mirror? 

Sorry I don't understand your point here. If it actually means anything then please explain. Thankyou. 

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6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

IICSA are very busy as you know

Far too busy with the other institutions which must pose a far greater threat.

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1 minute ago, Outta Here said:

Far too busy with the other institutions which must pose a far greater threat.

Any child being abused, whether sexually, physically or emotionally, is totally wrong. 

The ARC didn't start with the JW Org did it ? 

The IICSA must have their reasons for the order in which they deal with Orgs.  

don't know where you got your list from but some of those mentioned are pretty much in the public eye so probs more noticeable.

Some of the others are very vague though. 'children outside the UK' for instance.

I suppose also that it depends where the pressure to investigate comes from. If the outcry is big / strong enough then it will probably happen.

That is why the UK needs people to make genuine complaints against the JW Org.   Note I did say genuine complaints. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Awhile back, I think we had LOOOong discussions about this, and as a retired Engineer who worked with risk assessment in the real world, and had to quantify it with numbers ( How MUCH, and to how many decimal places... ?), I agreed with I think it was TTH's comment and analysis that, yes we DO have the same problems as everyone else ... but it is less than 10% of ANYBODY else.

ANYBODY else.

That is why, I truly believe ... and THEREFORE .... Jehovah's Witnesses are "The Only Game in Town".

Sure, it's rigged ... and faulty ... but all the others are so much worse.

If you are careful, you can eat three day old meat that has been out in the sun ... if you have experience.

The alternative is to starve, or get poisoned.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Awhile back, I think we had LOOOong discussions about this, and as a retired Engineer who worked with risk assessment in the real world, and had to quantify it with numbers ( How MUCH, and to how many decimal places... ?), I agreed with I think it was TTH's comment and analysis that, yes we DO have the same problems as everyone else ... but it is less than 10% of ANYBODY else.

ANYBODY else.

That is why, I truly believe ... and THEREFORE .... Jehovah's Witnesses are "The Only Game in Town".

Sure, it's rigged ... and faulty ... but all the others are so much worse.

If you are careful, you can eat three day old meat that has been out in the sun ... if you have experience.

The alternative is to starve, or get poisoned.

 

 

American attitude. Shame really. COLLATERAL DAMAGE and none of you care. 

But the GB are basically American so hence the American attitude rubs off on the brothers and sisters in the Org. 

"Hide it all and forget about them that fall" attitude. Wash the outside of that big bowl but don't worry about the inside. 

So you think God wants a 'rigged and faulty' organisation that does not look after 'widows and orphans' and does not have love amongst its own people. 

Survival of the fittest in the JW Org. Well then maybe you should preach this to the people in the world. At least you would then be telling the truth. 

"Good morning, glad to find you home. We are here to tell you that our Organisation is impure and has may people in it that cannot be trusted, but if you don't join us you will die at Armageddon. So you'd better do as we tell you"  

Um, not bad for a first mock up  

Right, you can get back to your offering children to Molech then. It obviously doesn't bother you. 

 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

"Collateral Damage" can be eliminated ONLY when you take all humans out of the equation.

Any other perception is childish, and not realistic.

I know ... I used to be like you.

I miss it.

Ignorance really is ... bliss.

...but I try not go go orgasmic.

[Srecko Sostar]

11 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Show me

WT publications shows how JW people have to be obedient to secular law but with exceptions. Disobedience to Secular Law is right way in two cases: If God forbid something or command something different than Secular Law. And second is, if your Conscience told you to do or not to do no matter what is obligated by Secular Law. 

But WT publications going further to explain to their readers how Your Conscience is not trustful, so it is not good to listen conscience which is not trained by Bible. How person training his conscience? By reading Bible. But reading Bible alone is not enough.Quote:  - What does this illustrate? That our private reading of the Bible is not enough. Jehovah, by his spirit, uses the faithful and discreet slave class to help us to understand his Word at the right time. How is this done? - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002883#h=22

Well, take then in consideration main thing in this issue - Listening God and what He say you should doing. But here we have again the same problem. WHO will explain you what God teaching people. Again, you need Class of People aka GBFDS Class who will told you, interpret You, what is God Will for You.

Enjoy.

 In France, for example, people are generally reasonable and fair-minded. However, a few opposers have promoted laws aimed at crippling the Kingdom work. How have Jehovah’s Witnesses there reacted? They have intensified their activity in the field as never before and with thrilling results. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005925

But how far does this subjection to political authorities go? Is it unlimited? Is obedience to human law even more important than obedience to the law of God? Certainly not! Notice that in the scripture just quoted the “compelling reason” for obedience is said to include “your conscience.” So, one’s conscience is not to be ignored, especially if that conscience has been trained by the Word of God. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101968018

Thus, your conscience is designed to enable you to evaluate situations, make right choices, and judge yourself on the choices you have made. But can you trust it?...So it is wise to listen to your conscience. But it is wiser still to compare all that we do with God’s will as revealed in his Word. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101993489

Because our work was banned, the brothers needed to be alert when witnessing.....We often started conversations with those who did not support the Communist government—the so-called dissidents—who tended to be more open-minded.” - https://wol.jw.org/ase/wol/d/r266/lp-asl/202011198

Every law and statute that is in harmony with righteousness the true Christians will obey in an exemplary fashion. But any law and demand made in conflict with the superior laws and commandments of God they will not obey, for that would mean to render to “Caesar” what belongs to God. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1950841

We obey the government because that is what God wants us to do. But if we are told to do something that God says we should not do, what should we say?— We should say what the apostles said to the high priest: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102003048

We accept Jehovah’s authority and obey him even if we do not fully understand the reason for some requirement set out in his Word. This is not credulity; it is trust. It reflects heartfelt confidence that Jehovah knows what is good for us.... In accepting Jehovah’s authority, we need to guard against an independent spirit. A haughty attitude can cause us to feel that we do not need guidance from anyone. For example, we might resist counsel given by those taking the lead among God’s people. God has established an arrangement by which a faithful and discreet slave class provides spiritual food at the proper time....14 Accepting Jehovah’s authority involves responding to counsel based on his Word. For example, the faithful and discreet slave class has been admonishing us to “stay awake and keep our senses.”...Spiritual food from the faithful and discreet slave class is disseminated to local congregations by appointed elders. The Bible admonishes us: “Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you.” (Heb. 13:17) Does this mean that congregation elders are infallible? Of course not! God sees their imperfections more clearly than any human can. Still, he expects us to be submissive. Cooperating with the elders, even though they are imperfect, gives evidence that we accept Jehovah’s authority. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008451