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1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

The question shouldn’t be, China VS West but how accurate the reports are about organ farms in China or any other country that doesn’t value human life as God intended.

This is a good point. The real issue here is whether reports are accurate or not. To me it never was a question of China vs the West, in a sense of deciding whose side one should take.

It's about recognizing how a propaganda war is the real context of MANY questions about accuracy. Currently, it seems that the people on the offensive are mostly in the West, and the people on the defensive are mostly in China. And it really is about a barrage of questions, not a single one like "organ farms." If the question of Uyghurs wasn't there, it would be about Covid19, or currency manipulation, or theft of corporate secrets, or Tibet, or Tiananmen Square, or South China Sea fishing rights, or murderous famines under Mao Zedong. This will invariably morph into Russia and the USSR and opinions about Communism/Marxism/Socialism. Therefore, the idea that ties all these together, imo, is the usual war of words between China and the West. (Of course, this also allows for a certain slipperiness for those who might not wish to deal with problems of propaganda; if one topic gets muddy, one can just throw out another bit, and another bit, and another bit. The effect is supposed to be additive, even if individual bits don't hold up to evidence.)

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I may have mentioned it before, but there is a subtext that the "West" has worked into this type of conversation more often than most people seem to notice. Even in reading some articles while looking for some information on Wikipedia, I noticed a bias in the rejection of footnotes on a couple related topics. I thought, OK, they want better footnotes on a topic about Mao which is fine. And another one on Stalin which is fine, too. But then I noticed that a more blatantly incendiary footnote was right there among them without any question or hint of rejection:

  • Who Killed More: Hitler, Stalin, or Mao? by Ian Johnson

It's not the first time I've seen this injected into conversations. As if the "West" would just love to re-invent Hitler as only the lesser of three evils. The "maidan" and other Nazis in Ukraine have promoted this thinking for years. And under Shinzo Abe in Japan, there has been an obvious push for the complete erasure of the Rape of Nanking, and some of these same history re-writers are apt to push the same Nazi holocaust denial.

But there is also a definite subtext of holocaust denial in the United States that pops up among the same people who promote that Stalin and Mao and Xi are behind actual genocides. In fact if you type in "China surpasses" in Google while removing the economic standings and coronavirus reports, you will start to see "China surpasses Hitler" (regarding extermination of Uyghurs vs Jews).

For that matter, based on a similar "us-vs-them" theme, the US had many media outlets for a while that claimed that China was over-reporting Covid-19 numbers as a scare tactic to get other countries to overspend and overreact, I guess. Then when the US surpassed their numbers, suddenly China became a villain that had vastly under-reported their numbers.

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I am not a 'us versus them' kind of  person because I do not take sides.  I watch only for trends.....  You inadvertently are taking sides because you do not understand subversion..... that I can see in your contributions.

Here is an Indian man seeing exactly the same things in India which are going on in USA.  

I do not think you watch anything I put out on here or read anything I suggest but other people here may be interested to watch this very old video made by an ex-KGB officer.  The tactics of subversion are discussed.  Why fight a war when one can do it better with subversion of culture, identity, morality etc etc. .  America has been subverted and most people  do not have clear lines of MORALITY of right and wrong any more.  Many of their leaders and organizations are so morally compromised but no one asks the questions and longer.  They are politically correct and do not ask the right questions - this is why I say USA have been sleeping for 20 years.

I do not agree with all that he says ... but if you watch long enough (closer to the end) you will start to understand - you will see everything happening with ANTIFA, and general moral breakdown, family breakdown, religious breakdown, media subversion - all this going on in USA right now. ... all the subversion tactics. With foreign money flowing into subversive organizations and churches taken over by immorality and doubt. NGOs operating independent of government with foreign money etc. 

This is why we are leading to Armageddon - no more morality and values in the western countries. Commies such as Russia is using religion for nationalism and china is outright atheist with no morality. Their citizens are fodder which clandestinely can be killed

 

 

 

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What Yuri Bezmenov said about "subversion" being the primary activity of KGB rather than "cloak and dagger" cliche spying fits exactly into the claims about the CIA and KGB in those books by Noam Chomsky and others, that make extended use of official government documents released after so many years of being classified, based of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. "Leaks" are a new source that can bring these ideas more up to date, and checked against claims from other sources, often fringe sources, or otherwise suppressed sources. But even old State Department documents are not to fully trusted, nor are leaks for that matter.

I also noticed that he said that subversion destructive aggressive aimed to destroy the nation or geographical location of your enemy. This is why where there are any conflicts at the borders of a nation, a country like the United States or USSR would take advantage of those conflicts, exaggerate them, try to foment civil unrest or even civil war in those areas where possible, and pump weapons and intelligence to the side that keeps the war most "even" resulting in ongoing deaths on both sides. When the unrest and economic collapse is great enough, the US can sweep in like a white knight and get away with a regime change more suitable to US "interests." A lot of people think that the chaos created around the world is because the US makes so many mistakes with unexpected consequences. In reality, chaos and destruction is the exact goal and the plans are working perfectly.

The fact that a "subverter" can be a journalist (Bezmnenov) or "exchange student" (or even a humanitarian aid organization) is well known on all sides. Chomsky, for example, also speaks of methods of demoralization through taking advantage of the nation's mistakes in education, religion, social life, power structure, labor and employee relations, law and order. Although Chomsky shows how Western powers have also used these goals not just on other nations, but also on their own people, historically and to a greater and greater extent since Kennedy and Reagan. It is quite observable, even though methods have become more sophisticated in some areas, and more blatantly obvious in other areas. The ability of the US government to keep secrets from most people, once so tight and successful up through Kennedy's time, has become nearly impossible after Johnson and Reagan due to the ideological divides among lawmakers, and between elites and the other 95% of the US population. Similar changes have shown up in other Western countries and, we'd have to assume, in many non-Western countries, too.

We could get into the details in another topic, but the most interesting movements in recent decades have been in the areas of American socialism vs privatization.

  • The USA is "socialist" in its education systems for example, so the current head of education must be for school privatization so that more profits can go to individual corporations, textbook makers, etc. (Subversion is easy here because overburdened public schools will attempt experiments that will often result in mistakes, and the higher tax burdens will be felt by poorer neighborhoods, due to the divide between rich neighborhoods who overwhelmingly use private schools, and the poorer ones that depend on thinly stretched tax dollars to cover all their children in public schools.)
  • The post office was "socialist" but moves to take away funding for further privatization to take over have been going on for years. (A generation of subversion by removing funding so that USPS prices go up.)
  • Even the USA's "socialist" armies have turned to privatization for more profits to go to various lobbying corporations and private contractors.
  • The US corporations have successfully lobbied lawmakers to weaken labor unions, using subversion by taking advantage of the mistakes and corruption in some of these unions' leadership. And, as the video shows, the mistakes of strikers and inability to get effective leverage, anyway.
  • The strong push in this country to socialize medicine is fought against by subversion, not just lobbying dollars to subvert the lawmakers, but also by highlighting mistakes and weaknesses of countries with socialized medicine.
  • Socialist "social media" platforms like Facebook and Twitter (and the Internet itself) have been subverted by the controls put into place by elites who wish to use such platforms to collect potential sales data, and even governments who wish to collect personal data for whatever other reasons under the guise of anti-terrorism, crime-fighting, etc.
  • The list goes on and on, including private companies exploiting major network media/news, national parks, preserves, highway toll collection & cleanup, special tax benefits to private companies, etc. Who knows, someday they may even names of private companies on sports arenas!

His views on religion are interesting and might even reveal a bit as to why Russia (China, Korea) and a few smaller nations have looked at proselytizing religions as if they are subversive American political operations, with some even branded as extremist. It's also fairly clear that his views that started out as incrimination of foreign subverters, especially of morals, are really local subversions without much help from the outside. KGB says their only push here was pushing literature and propaganda for "equality." People are not born equal, he says. Not a single word about equality in the Bible he says. Speaking of equality builds a house on sand and creates collapse. This appealed to his [mostly] white, 1984's audience (laughter), and he was able to do some standup comedy.

Funny that he thought these tactics would only work on the USA, and not on the USSR, but by 1989 had fully worked on the USSR to an even greater extent. Just a few short years or so after this speech.

I notice he uses Japan as an example of worker participation in corporate decisions and says it's the opposite in the United States. This is mostly true. Although it was not true of most Japanese companies, in China this is written into the law, and there are punishments for those companies that try to subvert it or defraud workers. In China, there have been several high-profile and low-profile cases of punishments for corruption that defrauds workers.

Anyway, thanks for this video. I had never seen it before. I have some comments on the second half that I may include later.

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Remember: I said I do not agree with all he said regarding the subversion but I watch for TRENDS! Communistic philosophies and subversion tactics are being used to destroy the current system globally (clay humanism) so everyone will want 'peace and security' out of chaos.  The UN is behind much of it supported by billionaire technocrats and corporations. 

China is already using digital algorithms and surveillance, DNA and medical technology to suppress their people and they are doing this with the help of Google and large western corporations.... who are present everywhere.  Billionaire charities  (which are not really charities - but  front organizations gifting money to tech corporations and buying up health organizations, most patents of DNA-altered seeds, DNA-altering medicines, as well as synthetic viruses etc.... ; also gifts to front organizations which further this extreme subversion and chaos) will get many countries to be part of the new world order --- which will be a technocracy. 

UN supports this - part of the plan to save the earth - and control every bit of what people use in terns of energy.  Once everyone is on a digital grid and face recognition you will face rations of food, water, waste allowed, electricity, cars and plane travel will be only for the privileged, etc etc. Every one will be checked for the energy units they use as a person.  Police will not really be needed because all movements will be tracked, all payments and withdrawals monitored by digital surveillance.  Most of the population will become like fodder because AI, algorithm and automated tech will be able to do labor.  People will become units of energy users. technocrats already speak of us as energy-using units.

Science and tech is the new God of this system and I suspect a future science dictatorship will take over which includes digital tracking of everyone and a few more other frighting technologies. As before the flood, I think they will mess with our DNA because there are ample indications of it already.   How far this will go I cannot say - all I know that this is the dreams of a lot of the new leaders and the sick youth of today that already make science a God.

The communistic subversion is part of the plan to create chaos to bring a much tighter control on everyone.  We are already moving in this direction with Corona measures and the destruction of most small businesses - so people lose their independence and become dependent.  Health controls are just part of the DNA-control with databases and other things which are in store for the earth.

The subversion is clear and china atrocities are on-going and a blind eye is turned because this is the mindset of the new leaders to be...... time will show up what is in store.   Even the journalists of today are not trained as in the days I was young.   Their moral values and research capacity is diminished.  There are very few good investigative journalists out there.

 I am sure - if Jehovah does not step in - no life will be saved.  Jehovah will have proved beyond reasonable doubt that at the apex of human development we are a threat to ourselves.  We cannot rule ourselves successfully.

 I  think of Daniel 11.   The god of the fortresses........ everyone will be locked into this highly secure digital system and you will have to obey or be locked out.  If you are in the system you will be protected but only if you comply with the system and its religion.  If you choose a different religion or do not cooperate ...... you will not be able to buy or sell ... or eat. 

It sounds like science fiction - watch programs about high tech and you will start to realize things are moving very fast in a direction we never thought possible.

 

I see headlines like this every day - how come you do not see them?

A journalist for the Los Angeles Times was detained and expelled from China’s Inner Mongolia while covering a controversial policy aimed at reducing the use of the Mongolian language in education, the outlet reported Friday.

 

The Los Angeles Times reporter, who was covering a controversial policy aiming to replace Mongolian with Mandarin in the region’s schools, was interrogated, grabbed by the throat and forced into a cell for over four hours before being forced from the region, the LA Times reported.

 

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15 minutes ago, Arauna said:

China is already using digital algorithms and surveillance, DNA and medical technology to suppress their people and they are doing this with the help of Google and large western corporations.

Or, one could argue that China is already using digital algorithms and surveillance, DNA and medical technology to help their people. Whenever I looked into claims that China was already overusing surveillance, it turned out that these were small-scale experimental attempts to test for useful surveillance technology -- and nothing like the larger-scale use by law-enforcement in Western countries, like the United States. And, I'm not saying that it has not or will not be abused in China. I just found it funny that so many people were anxious to create a fear-mongering scare out of something that was implemented at a much smaller scale than the USA.

And I have not seen evidence for the use of DNA and medical technology to suppress. I suspect this comes from more racist sources who argue that: "Well, they're using medical technology AND they are Chinese, therefore it must be to suppress their people."

On several of your more general points about the ominous direction of technocracy, I agree fully. I have long agreed with the dangers of billionaire charities and philanthropy. This one is harder to explain to most people since "philanthropy" always sounds like such a good thing.

44 minutes ago, Arauna said:

The communistic subversion is part of the plan to create chaos to bring a much tighter control on everyone.  We are already moving in this direction with Corona measures and the destruction of most small businesses - so people lose their independence and become dependent.

Anytime there are big mistakes made and chaos comes to the fore, there will always be people who say, this is Maoist, Marxist, Stalinist, etc. It's the idea of not letting any good crisis go to waste. Besides, Corona was handled very swiftly and efficiently in China so that it did not result in the destruction of most small businesses, or so that people lost their economic independence. If it happens that more Western countries will take advantage of the circumstances and force a trend in that direction, it will not be a reflection of "communistic" suberversion, but should be identified for what it is, instead.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

The subversion is clear and china atrocities are on-going and a blind eye is turned because this is the mindset of the new leaders to be...... time will show up what is in store.

I can give you excellent examples of how the Western media, and Western readers are turning a blind eye to false claims regarding these "ongoing atrocities." I see that you tend to take any defense with respect to the excesses and exaggeration of claims as a complete denial of problems in China. Or that I am saying that China must therefore be dealing with their issues in the most humane way possible. I'm not. What I'm saying is that there is plenty of evidence that the exaggerations are always in the direction of existing propaganda, and that revealing this can bring us to a more reasonable and more probable account of what is going on.

In another post, I'll give you some good examples of this based on the reporting in the Times and recently in FP (ForeignPolicy.com) on the Uyghur situation. By their own words and mistranslations of source material they condemn themselves. As you say about journalists, it's very true . . . and good journalism is being ruined on purpose by the former sources of good journalism.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Their moral values and research capacity is diminished.  There are very few good investigative journalists out there.

 

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2 hours ago, Arauna said:

I see headlines like this every day - how come you do not see them?

For all I know, I've seen many more of them than you have. But I will happily assume that you have seen more. But very often these stories appear to be a part of an ongoing story that has already been discussed elsewhere. It's just another outcropping of an ongoing feud. And you can't always tell who started it. Even If a story follows a typical line of propaganda that has already been satisfactorily refuted or bolstered elsewhere, then all I can do is assume it is either right, wrong, or in between. (Until I have some time to look further into it.)

Here's how I see that recent version of the newspaper headline discussing the mistreatment of journalists.

I start it with a consideration of a February 2020 story found here https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/19/china-bars-wall-street-journal-reporters-over-derogatory-column

  • China to expel WSJ journalists over 'malicious’ coronavirus column

  • Three journalists told to leave within five days after paper declined to apologise for opinion piece
  • China is expelling three Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reporters from the country, a move with no recent precedent, marking a sharp escalation in pressure on foreign media in the country.

Obviously, some look at this and see: "a sharp escalation" so it sounds very bad and typical of Western media. But I also see the admission that it has no recent precedent. In fact, the article admits:

It has been more than two decades since China directly expelled foreign reporters . . .

That admission is helpful, because they are admitting that I don't need to go back and find a back and forth for years and years like a Hatfield and McCoy feud. Perhaps I can even start from this point in February 2020, just a few months ago. But I also notice that the article admits something else:

  • The expulsions come . . . the day after Washington announced it would tighten controls on Chinese state-owned media operations in America.

So something happened the day before to Chinese media operations in the United States, and China apparently fights back by kicking out 3 journalists. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/18/us-chinese-media-propaganda-state-department

  • US tightens rules on Chinese state media over 'propaganda' concerns

  • State department told five Chinese outlets they would need approval to buy property, and must submit lists of employees
  • The US justice department has already pushed Chinese media outlets to register as foreign agents under separate regulations that require detailed filings of their activities.

And two weeks later, the United States effectively kicks out at least 60 journalists. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/washington-slashes-chinese-journalist-quota

  • Washington slashes Chinese journalist quota after Beijing expels US reporters

  • State department [Pompeo] says decision based on leveling numbers between the countries rather than retaliating over content
  • The United States has slashed by nearly half the number of Chinese nationals allowed to work for their state-run media in the United States, vowing reciprocity as Beijing restricts foreign press.
  • A state department official said that five media outlets, which last month were reclassified by the United States as foreign missions, would be allowed to employ a maximum 100 Chinese nationals as of 13 March, down from around 160 now.
  • Last year the United States issued 425 journalist visas to Chinese citizens, including family members, according to official data.
  • The organization most affected by the order will be the state news agency Xinhua, which will be allowed to keep 59 Chinese staff in the United States, according to a state department official
  • The China Global Television Network will be permitted 30 nationals. The China Daily can have nine Chinese employees and China Radio International will be permitted two.

So now we have a timeline:

  • As of 2020, China hadn't kicked out an American journalist from China in over 20 years. (And this is in spite of the fact that Western sources often admit that some American journalists for major US news/media outlets are simply spies, and I would therefore assume that some Chinese journalists are, too.)
  • Then on February 18, 2020, the United States decided to clamp down on all the major Chinese outlets, especially ones that publish in English, and ask them to file as "foreign agents." (aka, spies). Secretary of State, Pompeo, admits that this will likely result in retaliation. The primary examples of propaganda were that China had emphasized terrorist activities of the Uyghurs and had claimed that HK protesters were armed. (Both of these items of propaganda turned out to be very true, of course. But these truths worked against American propaganda.)
  • Then on February 19, China asks three WSJ journalists to leave China over racist remarks about China in the WSJ. (Of course, if anyone looks more closely, this had been only one of the latest articles of many WSJ articles for YEARS that misrepresented China. But the Coronavirus epidemic had allowed the level of rhetoric and lies about China to rise to a nearly daily occurrence.)
  • Then, two weeks later, around the first of March, the US Government "slashed by nearly half the number of Chinese nationals allowed to work for their state-run media in the United States, vowing reciprocity as Beijing restricts foreign press."
    • An interesting aside should be added here. https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/politics/maria-butina-sentencing/index.html By April, the United States had begun allegedly "torturing" Maria Butina who had pleaded guilty to being a "foreign agent" which in her case meant trying to improve relations between Russia and the United States, by using her enthusiasm for guns and the NRA to get into contact with people in the Republican Party. Butina may very well have been a dangerous foreign agent, but there was no specific accusation of actual improper influence, just influence. It was nothing like the direct levels of influence claimed for Paul Manifort who was in trouble for not registering as a foreign agent in support of Ukraine. The alleged "torture" refers to months of solitary confinement with limited food.
    • Another interesting aside during this time period were claims coming out of Norway, France, Japan, Washington [state], and Italy that these coronovirus pneumonia cases were likely seen as early October and November, more than a month before the first case was seen in China. I have my doubts that this was actually true, but note how this report from NPR comes through qz.com: https://qz.com/1823417/italy-now-key-to-china-coronavirus-origin-propaganda-efforts  :
      • The article in question, published by NPR on March 19, examined the impact of the current pandemic on Italy’s health care system. What caught the attention of people in China, however, was the final line in the report, where an Italian medical expert called Giuseppe Remuzzi said, citing doctors: “They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November… This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China. . . . The NPR article has also been translated by state media outlets including broadcaster CCTV (link in Chinese). Another interview (link in Chinese) Remuzzi did with Italian broadcaster La7 Attualità, in which he said some doctors told him about seeing strange pneumonia cases as early as October, was also translated and published by state-owned TV station CGTN on Weibo, where the video has been viewed more than 7 million times.
  • The United States had a single, simple message about the virus. It was the "China virus." No one was allowed to interfere with that message, and if something came up that did, it had to be blamed on Chinese propaganda. I believe the bigger fears were about the conspiracy that many members the US military had been in Wuhan in October: https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/:
    • WASHINGTON – Less than a month before data shows the first Chinese citizen became ill with coronavirus, nearly 300 members of the U.S. military, Department of Defense, and support personnel attended the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan, China. When the games ended, they returned to at least 219 home bases in 25 states, without ever being screened for possible COVID-19 infection.
    • [The US admits that the US military was there, of course, but the conspiracy could easily morph into the idea that the military TOOK it to Wuhan, not just that the military could have spread it FROM there. I personally don't buy the idea that it was from Italy or the United States military, but I find it odd that China is blamed for taking an interest in these stories.]

You may not agree, but all of this provides more context to me about the report that an LA Times reporter was grabbed by the neck, and detained for four hours, before being sent from Mongolia to Beijing while reporting on a new Mandarin textbook being used Mongolia. I notice that the claim is not clear that the detaining was actually even related directly to the reporting about Mongolia. Also, the original article in the LA Times is not nearly so ominous as all of the repetitions of the issue in other papers. The LA Times shows one of the bilingual signs and discusses, not the supposed outlawing of the Mongolian language, but the fact that China has begun a bilingual program there:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-03/china-inner-mongolia-bilingual-education-assimilation-xinjiang-resistance-crackdown

  • Their grandson had participated in a region-wide school boycott, they said, sparked by the sudden news last week that elementary and middle-schoolers across Inner Mongolia — a region . . . twice the size of California . . .  — would begin a program to transition half their classes from Mongolian to Mandarin.

It's a bilingual issue, and we've had protests here in the United States on both sides of bilingual education issues. Whether the reporter was grabbed by the neck and interrogated, and detained for four hours, I can believe it. But I can also believe that a reporter knows how to report a situation in the worst possible way, and make a situation sound like something it wasn't.

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-has-disappeared-tens-of-thousands-under-system-of-state-sanctioned-kidnapping-report_3490558.html?ref=brief_News&utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email

This is an article based on a report by a human rights group called Safeguard Defenders. Every day I see REPORTS  like this (not written by Americans who have a propaganda motive) but according to some people on the forum, all these atrocities are for the 'benefit' of the Chinese people.....  How blind can a person be!

Please NOTE:  this is a REPORT from a human rights group.

Journalists, lawyers etc are the kind of people who are being disappeared.

 

 

 

This following article on YouTube explains agenda 21 and agenda 2030 very superficially but has some good points.  It indicates that we should not take sides with China or the West - why?   They are all part of the future science technocracy which will take over the hegemony of the world. Most of the governments of the world signed up for this in 1992......(176 out of 190 countries). Everything will be monitored - use of food, waste, use of water, electricity, fuel  etc etc. They are doing this under the guise of climate change (climate change is real but they want to secure the future of the earth - for those who are worthy.  They are also using health-security as a reason to monitor everyone and use DNA etc to manipulate humans. The synthetic DNA will change us. 

This reminds me of the mixing of DNA before the flood and how Jehovah stepped in because hybrids cannot produce children.

This has been their dream for a long time but it is now with the advent of mega-databases  that this has become possible.

Watch until the end to get a full understanding.  She just touches on the education system and the 4th industrial revolution...... but it is this 4th industrial revolution which is scary and crazy ... if you want to do more research on this..... and yes it is people who do not believe in god and believe in science for the future. Most of the oligarchs and mega-rich technocrats are involved with this and moving things along the way they want it - as planned.  Using their charity foundations to support mega-corporations, military and pharmaceutical industrial complex to get this completed.  

it is a Dutch website but the content is in English:  

 

On 9/5/2020 at 1:54 AM, JW Insider said:

it seems that the people on the offensive are mostly in the West, and the people on the defensive are mostly in China.

No - the people on the defensive is the CCP state apparatus.  I feel sorry for the Chinese people under the oppressive regime.  I do not mind if a regime is oppressive - as long as they allow freedom of religion in your own home.  But this is no longer a choice allowed the Chinese people.... which makes them an ally of the King of the North.

 

 

another news item from Hong Kong:   Police said that 289 people had been arrested, mostly under suspicion of unlawful assembly. One woman was arrested in the Kowloon district of Yau Ma Tei on charges of assault and spreading pro-independence slogans, the police department said on its Facebook page. It said such slogans are illegal under a newly enacted national security law.

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10 minutes ago, Arauna said:

This is an article based on a report by a human rights group called Safeguard Defenders.

Actually, it's an article by Falun Gong, through one of their primary media arms, The Epoch Times. They started an NGO in 2016 called the Safeguard Defenders to make it look as though independent organizations were making the same claims. Of course, there will be many persons who are adding this claim to the agenda of their own human rights organizations. 

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here is another one for you - but I guess this is also American propaganda:

According to Amnesty International, victims of the Iranian regime's systematic torture include children as young as 10 years old. "[V]ictims were frequently hooded... punched, kicked and flogged; beaten with sticks, rubber hosepipes, knives,... suspended or forced into holding painful stress positions for prolonged periods; deprived of sufficient food and potable water..." (Image source: iStock. Image is illustrative and does not represent any person in the article.)

 

The Iranian regime has significantly ratcheted up its human rights violations. The United Nations and the European Union, which preach about human rights, completely turn a blind eye to the regime's abuses."

 

......So we must ignore amnesty international because it is propaganda - depending on the news outlet which takes the time to report on it.  'Tabloid press' does not take the time report on such things.... and with tabloid press I mean most of the media that belongs to one oligarch..... 

 

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8 minutes ago, Arauna said:

here is another one for you - but I guess this is also American propaganda:

Amnesty International has been caught in promoting much more American propaganda than Human Rights Watch, for example, but this does not mean that any one story is either true or untrue.

For example, the YouTube video you just showed about Agenda 21/2030 relied partly on Sputnik/ANI for presentation of sources that fit the agenda of the interview. One can find all kinds of claims that Russia's Sputnik news, for example, is full of fake news: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_(news_agency)

Lee Stranahan was hired by Sputnik News after his departure from Breitbart News and, according to The Washington Post, he is Sputnik's most visible Trump supporter".[37][38][39][40] In early 2020, at the time of the Impeachment of President Trump, Stanahan stated "the entire impeachment is a lie.”[25] The Washington Post stated that "many Sputnik hosts profess skepticism that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election," in contradiction to the assessment of the US intelligence community.[37]

But that doesn't mean every article is false. It doesn't mean that every article that Falun Gong prints is false. In fact, Falun Gong (Epoch News) must also print many good, true, reasonable articles that the public will agree with, in order for its false and mostly-false articles to be believed. One mistake that Falun Gong made was to once brag about their strong media presence through the Epoch News, and then later decide to be quiet about that connection so it could seem to be quoted as independent. It's the same way that Epoch News personnel have set up a presentation at the UN, and NGO meetings and sites and then called them "independent."

That's similar to the way that you see Adrian Zenz quote articles that were reports that came from Adrian Zenz. He has been caught writing mistranslations to produce fake additions to Chinese reports about Uyghurs and Chinese policy, and then, when those fake reports get picked up by other news media, he will quote those sources to bolster his "conclusions" based on his own fake reports.  People who read Chinese, or even users of Google translate, can see what he has often done. But by mixing it up with bits of truth, and tickling the ears of his listeners, he gets away with it.

BTW, your Agenda 21/2030 video is a well orchestrated interview that might have a lot of things right, and is based on telling us to fear things that we really should fear. But it also pretends that the original UN documents say things that just simply aren't there in those original documents. And those documents are in English!! Almost anyone can detect the fear-mongering agenda.

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Below is a fascinating interview with a woman who knows Tibet and all the rivers, glaciers, forests in the whole area occupied by China.  I found the interview with her very informative right to the end.  She is frustrated because the west pleases China and does not publish anything about the use of water and destruction of forests by China - actua;;y they protect China. 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/maura-moynihan-how-communist-china-weaponized-the-waters-of-asia_3492006.html?__sta=vhg.uosvmhkxvustsjnsbs|QUB&__stm_medium=email&__stm_source=smartech

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      Aman’s latest property in China (its fourth) must be one of its most anticipated to date. The Shanghai retreat (rates not yet available) is a picture of leafy tranquility – and full of surprises. If  a visitor were to drop into the 100-acre property, planted with thousand-year-old camphor trees and interspersed with historic Ming- and Qing-dynasty houses, they’d never believe that they were within easy reach of buzzy downtown Shanghai. Neither the forest nor village are native to this area; both were moved here over the past 10 years from Jiangxi, some 500 miles southwest, by Ma Dadong, a pioneering businessman, when the building of a reservoir threatened their survival.

      Aman Shanghai
      Now that the painstaking replanting (which took three years) and the building of the hotel are complete, the 37 villas in the new sanctuary are being decorated with original beams, floors, sculptures and carvings from the uplifted village homes. Kerry Hill, the project’s architect, has taken care to reflect traditional Chinese culture while blending in contemporary comforts and natural tones of earth, moss and creamy whites. Guests can take day trips to Shanghai, walk in the forest, sample Eastern cuisine, or relax in the spa, beside the two pools or in the Nan Shu Fang contemplation garden. 
      The South American Sleeper: The Belmond Andean Explorer, Peru
      For the first time in May 2017, travellers will be able not only to traverse the Andes in one of the most luxurious trains on earth, but to sleep overnight on one. The Belmond Andean Explorer has been built to carry up to 68 passengers in en-suite cabins decorated by the South African designer Inge Moore in contemporary light woods and comforting alpaca-wool colours.
      Each of the train’s cars is fitted with expansive windows to frame views of the Andean plains, mountains and grand architecture, including the Unesco World Heritage Site of Arequipa. Although another two trains already operate in this area – Belmond’s Hiram Bingham, which offers day trips to Machu Picchu, and the more traditional Inca Princess  – this is the first modern luxury train to offer trips from Cusco to Lake Titicaca and Arequipa, on one- and two-night journeys. Chefs from the Hotel Monasterio in Cusco will serve modern Peruvian cuisine in two dining cars; guests can also enjoy spacious lounge and observation cars, and an open deck.  Doubles from £738 , all-inclusive, for one night. 
      The Gorilla Camp: Bisate Lodge, Rwanda
      One of the key trends in Africa in 2017 is the growth of camps that offer both sustainable luxury and adventure. Hence Wilderness Safaris’ decision to open Bisate Lodge in June as a luxury base for tracking the 10 habituated gorilla groups  in Rwanda’s Volcanoes National Park (doubles from £1,762 full board, excluding gorilla permits).
      The lodge, raised high above the forest floor in the amphitheatre of an eroded volcanic cone, has been designed by architect Nick Plewman to echo the spherical, thatched structures that dot the hills, as well as the layout of traditional Rwandan palaces. The interiors by Caline Williams-Wynn have been inspired by the rich detail of Rwandan textiles, many of which are made using a technique called imigongo, an ancient art form incorporating geometric shapes.
      When the first guests arrive, they will be able not only to track gorillas, but to  hike to Dian Fossey’s grave and her former research station at Karisoke, to trek to the top of a nearby volcano, and then to relax in the extensively reforested gardens.
      The Jungle Retreat: Nekupe Sporting Resort and Retreat, Nicaragua
      Nicaragua’s first luxe mountain resort sits in the lush landscape of Nandaime, just 40 minutes’ drive from the pretty colonial city of Granada. Nekupe – or heaven, in the indigenous Chorotega  language – was designed with the help of a feng shui architect to have the highest energy flow and least environmental impact possible, and the four freestanding villas and four expansive suites, with king-sized beds, made-for-sharing bathtubs and alfresco showers, are decorated in earth tones and warm woods that echo the serene setting (doubles from £720, full board). Floor-to-ceiling windows frame views over Mombacho  volcano’s perfect cone, and wraparound terraces  are perfect for sipping daiquiris, before farm-to-table feasts of nuevo-Nicaraguan cuisine.

      Nekupe will provide access to Nicaragua's underexplored nature reserves
      The surrounding nature reserve,  which echoes with the sounds of primates and toucans, can be explored on ATVs, as well as on paths created for hikers, bikers and horseback riders, or on zip wires, which soar above the forest canopy. For those not expending energy on target-shooting, tennis and yoga, there is an infinity pool and a spa.
      The Cook Ski Spot: Lech, Austria
      Size matters to ski resorts, so the hotly anticipated coronation of Ski Arlberg as Austria’s largest contiguous ski area is big news indeed. Encompassing eight villages, including big hitters St Anton, Lechand Zürs, Ski Arlberg is already one of the best-known ski areas in the Alps. But now its four new lifts are open, linking the entire area to deliver 109 miles  of pistes (three more than Val d’Isère), Ski Arlberg will join the ranks of the world’s über resorts.

      New developments have given Lech a leg up
      The four connected lifts, known as the Flexenbahn, will place Lech at the epicentre of the ski area (stealing some thunder from St Anton). While expanding its lifts, Lech has also been consolidating its position as Austria’s leading town for luxury ski chalets. In December – hot on the heels of properties like the Aurelio Clubhouse, Chalet N, Chalet 1597 and Überhaus, which have raised the luxury bar in recent years – Severin’s Alpine Retreat will open its doors. The nine-suite hotel will be fitted with only the best: Minotti furnishings, a spa with an indoor infinity pool and hypoxic chamber for altitude training, and a ski room with bespoke Indigo kit.
      Guests can take over the chalet, for free rein over the suites, restaurant, capacious spa and fire-lit lounges, or plump for The Residence: a sleek four-bedroom private apartment spanning two floors  with a professional kitchen, cinema, bar and outdoor hot tub. The Oxford Ski Company offers a week for two people at Severin’s Alpine Retreat from £6,440, including transfers and flights.
      The Rugged Destination: Pamir Mountains, Tajikistan
      Tajikistan was the second-fastest growing tourist destination in the world in 2015, according to the World Travel and Tourism Council (WTTC). Which is why in 2017 Edge Expeditions will be running a two-week Luxury Tajikistan tour of the country’s spectacular Pamir Mountains: one the most diverse, wild, exhilarating and least-explored corners of the planet.
      With a team of expert guides, a maximum of eight guests will traverse the raw wilderness by either four-wheel-drive vehicles, with a driver, or motorbikes. Journeying along the legendary Pamir Highway, travellers will spend days exploring azure mountain lakes, hidden valleys, ancient ruins and high mountain passes that very few outsiders ever get to see.
      The trip starts off at a five-star hotel in the capital, Dushanbe, while on the road the ground crew will prepare yurt camps with hot showers, comfortable beds, Egyptian cotton sheets and gourmet meals prepared by the expedition’s private chef. Along the way, both British and Tajik guides will interpret the layered history of the region, while astronomers with telescopes will also be on hand to explore some of the least light-polluted night skies in the world. 
      Edge Expeditions is offering a 14-day Luxury Tajikistan journey by four-wheel-drive or motorcycle, from £9,495 full board, starting and ending at Dushanbe, including transfers, motorcycle rental or vehicle (with driver), back-up vehicles, guides and medic, but excluding international flights.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/travel/2017-years-best-luxury-outdoor-adventure-holidays-namibia-nicaragua/
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      By Guest Nicole
      Chinese Communist Party prepares offensive against Christianity
       

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      China's governing Communist Party is set to launch a nationwide crackdown on the Christian Church.
      By Matthew Carney - ABC
      The Communist Party has just enacted much tougher laws that criminalise Christians if they do not pledge loyalty to the state.
      Chinese President Xi Jinping has warned that all religions now have to become "Chinese" and the new laws will attempt to bring churchgoers and their leaders under party control.
      The new laws will put the state firmly in charge, giving the Communist Party the ability to hire and fire church leaders and change religious doctrine to make it more Chinese...
      That means churchgoers will have to pledge loyalty to the Communist Party first.
      There is good reason to be afraid. Chinese Authorities have already started the crackdown in the Christian heartland in the southern province of Zhejiang.
      It's been extensive and brutal. In the past two years they have torn down nearly 2000 crosses and in some cases demolished churches.
      Church leaders and their followers have been arrested and imprisoned.
      There's also good reason to why the Communist Party is threatened by the Church.
      Some say there are 100 million Christians in China — that's more than Communist Party members.
      The Chinese Government admits there are about 25 million Christians registered at state-run churches where pastors are appointed by the state and theology approved by the governments Religious Affairs Bureau.
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    • Eric Ouellet

      Qu’est-ce que le Jour du Jugement ?

      La Bible dit que Dieu “ a fixé un jour où il va juger la terre habitée ”. (Actes 17:31.) Pour beaucoup, l’idée d’être soumis à un jugement, quel qu’il soit, est désagréable. Voyez-vous les choses ainsi ?
      SI C’EST le cas, rassurez-vous : le Jour du Jugement est une disposition pleine d’amour qui apportera de grands bienfaits à la famille humaine, y compris aux morts (Matthieu 20:28 ; Jean 3:16). Mais pourquoi est-il nécessaire ? Et que se passera-t-il réellement pendant ce “ jour ” ?
      Pourquoi le Jour du Jugement est nécessaire
      Lorsque Dieu a placé les humains sur la terre, il ne la destinait pas à n’être qu’un lieu d’épreuve en vue d’une existence dans un autre monde. Il a créé les humains pour qu’ils y vivent éternellement. Bien que parfaits physiquement et mentalement, Adam et Ève, le premier couple, se sont rebellés contre Dieu. Ils ont alors perdu la perspective de la vie éternelle pour eux-mêmes, et ont transmis le péché et la mort à tous leurs descendants. — Genèse 2:15-17 ; Romains 5:12.
      Le Jour du Jugement sera une période de mille ans durant laquelle les hommes auront la possibilité de retrouver ce qu’Adam et Ève ont perdu*. Remarquez que, selon Actes 17:31, cité plus haut, ce “ jour ” concerne les personnes qui vivent sur “ la terre habitée ”. Celles qui recevront un jugement favorable vivront sur la terre, éternellement et dans des conditions parfaites (Révélation 21:3, 4). Le Jour du Jugement contribue donc à l’accomplissement du dessein originel de Dieu pour l’homme et pour la planète.
      Le Juge que Dieu a établi est Christ Jésus. La Bible révèle qu’il va “ juger les vivants et les morts ”. (2 Timothée 4:1.) Qui sont “ les vivants ” qui seront jugés ? Comment les morts vont-ils revenir à la vie sur “ la terre habitée ” ?
      Jésus juge “ les vivants ”
      Nous sommes maintenant proches de la fin annoncée du présent système de choses, où Dieu va détruire tous les éléments de la société humaine corrompue et supprimer les méchants. Les personnes qui réchapperont seront “ les vivants ” qui seront jugés. — Révélation 7:9-14 ; 19:11-16.
      Durant la période de jugement qui durera mille ans, Christ Jésus ainsi que 144 000 hommes et femmes ressuscités pour vivre dans les cieux dirigeront la terre. Exerçant les fonctions de rois et de prêtres, ils dispenseront les bienfaits du sacrifice rédempteur de Jésus et amèneront progressivement les humains fidèles à la perfection physique et mentale. — Révélation 5:10 ; 14:1-4 ; 20:4-6.
      Pendant le Jour du Jugement, Satan et ses démons ne seront plus libres d’influencer l’activité humaine (Révélation 20:1-3). Toutefois, à la fin de ce “ jour ”, Satan sera autorisé à éprouver la fidélité de tous les humains alors en vie. Ceux qui resteront fidèles à Dieu passeront avec succès l’épreuve à laquelle Adam et Ève ont échoué. Ils seront jugés dignes de recevoir la vie éternelle sur la terre redevenue un paradis. Ceux qui décideront de se rebeller contre Dieu seront détruits pour toujours, de même que Satan et ses démons. — Révélation 20:7-9.
      Le jugement des “ morts ”
      On lit dans la Bible qu’au Jour du Jugement les morts “ se lèveront ”. (Matthieu 12:41.) Jésus a dit : “ L’heure vient où tous ceux qui sont dans les tombes de souvenir entendront sa voix et sortiront, ceux qui ont fait des choses bonnes, pour une résurrection de vie, ceux qui ont pratiqué des choses viles, pour une résurrection de jugement. ” (Jean 5:28, 29). Il n’est pas question ici des âmes désincarnées des défunts. Ces derniers sont totalement inconscients et n’ont pas d’âme qui survive à la mort (Ecclésiaste 9:5 ; Jean 11:11-14, 23, 24). Jésus relèvera sur la terre tous ceux qui se sont endormis dans la mort.
      Seront-ils jugés sur la base de ce qu’ils ont fait avant leur mort ? Non. Les Écritures enseignent que “ celui qui est mort a été acquitté de son péché ”. (Romains 6:7.) Ainsi, tout comme les survivants de la fin du système actuel, les ressuscités pour la vie sur la terre seront jugés “ selon leurs actions ” au cours du Jour du Jugement (Révélation 20:12, 13). En fonction de l’issue de leurs actions, leur résurrection se révélera aboutir soit à l’éternité, soit à la destruction. Nombre de ces ressuscités découvriront Jéhovah Dieu et ses exigences pour obtenir la vie. Ils auront la possibilité de se conformer à la volonté de Dieu et de recevoir la vie éternelle sur la terre.
      Aucune raison d’avoir peur
      Le Jour du Jugement ne sera pas seulement un temps d’instruction divine, mais aussi un temps où tous les vivants appliqueront ce qu’ils apprendront et en verront les bienfaits. Imaginez la joie que vous ressentirez quand vous retrouverez vos chers disparus et progresserez à leurs côtés vers la perfection !
      Imaginez la joie que vous ressentirez quand vous retrouverez vos chers disparus.
      Au terme du Jour du Jugement, Dieu permettra à Satan d’éprouver la fidélité des êtres humains. Il n’y a cependant pas lieu d’être inquiet ou d’avoir peur. Tous seront alors solidement armés pour faire face à cette dernière épreuve. Ainsi, le Jour du Jugement est une étape dans l’accomplissement du dessein divin qui effacera toutes les conséquences de la rébellion originelle contre Dieu dans le jardin d’Éden.

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    • Eric Ouellet

      Chantons avec coeur et allégresse 
      Psaumes
      146 Louez Jah!
      Que tout mon être loue Jéhovah !
       2 Je veux louer Jéhovah toute ma vie.
      Je veux chanter des louanges à mon Dieu aussi longtemps que je vivrai.
       3 Ne mettez pas votre confiance dans les princes,
      ni dans un fils d’homme, qui est incapable de sauver.
       4 L’esprit de l’homme sort, l’homme retourne au sol ;
      ce jour-là, ses pensées périssent.
       5 Heureux celui qui a pour secours le Dieu de Jacob
      et dont l’espoir est en Jéhovah son Dieu,
       6 Celui qui a fait le ciel et la terre,
      la mer, et tout ce qui s’y trouve,
      celui qui reste fidèle pour toujours,
       7 celui qui garantit la justice aux spoliés,
      celui qui donne du pain aux affamés.
      Jéhovah libère les prisonniers ;
       8 Jéhovah ouvre les yeux des aveugles ;
      Jéhovah relève ceux qui sont courbés ;
      Jéhovah aime les justes.
       9 Jéhovah protège les résidents étrangers ;
      il soutient l’orphelin de père et la veuve,
      mais il contrecarre les projets des méchants
      10 Jéhovah sera Roi pour toujours,
      ton Dieu, ô Sion, de génération en génération.
      Louez Jah !

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    • REDROCHA  »  T.B. (Twyla)

      Thank you Sister !!!!
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    • Eric Ouellet

      LES QUALITÉS D'UN BERGER ET LES ASSISTANTS DE L'ASSEMBLÉE 

      PREMIÈRE LETTRE DE TIMOTHÉE

      3 La parole suivante est digne de foi : Si un homme aspire à être un responsable, il désire une belle œuvre. 2 Il faut donc qu’un responsable soit irréprochable, mari d’une seule femme, modéré dans ses habitudes, réfléchi, ordonné, hospitalier, capable d’enseigner, 3 que ce ne soit pas un ivrogne ni un homme violent, mais un homme raisonnable, non querelleur, non ami de l’argent, 4 un homme qui dirige d’une belle façon sa propre famille, qui tienne ses enfants dans la soumission en toute dignité 5 (car si un homme ne sait pas diriger sa propre famille, comment prendra-t-il soin de l’assemblée de Dieu ?), 6 que ce ne soit pas un homme récemment converti, de peur qu’il se gonfle d’orgueil et tombe sous le coup de la condamnation portée contre le Diable. 7 D’autre part, il faut aussi qu’il reçoive un beau témoignage des gens extérieurs à l’assemblée, afin de ne pas tomber dans le déshonneur et dans un piège du Diable.
      8 De même, il faut que les assistants soient des hommes dignes, qu’ils n’aient pas un langage double, qu’ils soient modérés dans la consommation de vin, non avides d’un gain malhonnête, 9 attachés au saint secret de la foi avec une conscience pure.
      10 De plus, qu’ils soient d’abord mis à l’épreuve quant à leurs aptitudes ; puis, s’ils sont exempts d’accusation, qu’ils servent comme ministres.
      11 De même, il faut que les femmes soient dignes, non calomniatrices, modérées dans leurs habitudes, fidèles en toutes choses.
      12 Les assistants doivent être maris d’une seule femme et diriger d’une belle façon leurs enfants et leur propre famille. 13 Car les hommes qui servent d’une belle façon acquièrent une belle réputation et une grande confiancepour parler de la foi en Christ Jésus.
      14 Je t’écris ces choses, bien que j’espère venir bientôt chez toi, 15 pour que, au cas où je serais retardé, tu saches comment tu dois te conduire dans la maison de Dieu, qui est l’assemblée du Dieu vivant, colonne et soutien de la vérité. 16 Oui, il faut avouer qu’il est grand, le saint secret de l’attachement à Dieu : « Il a été manifesté dans la chair, a été déclaré juste dans l’esprit, est apparu aux anges, a été prêché parmi les nations, a été cru dans le monde, a été enlevé dans la gloire. »





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    • Eric Ouellet

      Bergers, imitez les Grands Bergers
       
      Christ [...] a souffert pour vous, vous laissant un modèle pour que vous suiviez fidèlement ses traces » (1 PIERRE 2:21)

      QUAND un berger s’intéresse de près au bien-être de son troupeau, les moutons se portent bien. Selon un manuel sur l’élevage ovin, « l’homme qui se contente de mener le troupeau au pré puis n’y prête plus attention risque fort, en quelques années, d’avoir de nombreuses bêtes malades qui ne rapportent rien ». Par contre, quand les moutons reçoivent l’attention voulue, le troupeau prospère.
      La qualité des soins et de l’attention que les bergers du troupeau de Dieu prodiguent à chaque brebis dont ils sont responsables influera sur la santé spirituelle de toute la congrégation. Tu te souviens peut-être que Jésus a eu pitié des foules parce qu’« elles étaient dépouillées et éparpillées comme des brebis sans berger » (Mat. 9:36). Pourquoi se trouvaient-elles en si piteuse condition ? Parce que les hommes chargés d’enseigner la Loi de Dieu au peuple étaient durs, exigeants et hypocrites. Au lieu de soutenir et de nourrir les membres de leur troupeau, les guides spirituels d’Israël posaient sur leurs épaules de « lourdes charges » (Mat. 23:4).
      Les bergers chrétiens d’aujourd’hui, les anciens, ont donc une lourde responsabilité. Les brebis du troupeau sous leur garde appartiennent à Jéhovah ainsi qu’à Jésus, qui s’est présenté comme « l’excellent berger » (Jean 10:11). Les brebis ont été « acheté[e]s à un prix », que Jésus a payé avec son propre « sang précieux » (1 Cor. 6:20 ; 1 Pierre 1:18, 19). Jésus aime tellement les brebis qu’il a bien voulu sacrifier sa vie pour elles. Les anciens ne devraient jamais oublier qu’ils sont des sous-bergers sous la surveillance du Fils bienveillant de Dieu, Jésus Christ, « le grand berger des brebis » (Héb. 13:20).
      Comment les bergers chrétiens devraient-ils traiter les brebis ? Les membres de la congrégation sont exhortés à « obéi[r] à ceux qui [les] dirigent ». De leur côté, les anciens ne doivent pas « commande[r] en maîtres ceux qui sont l’héritage de Dieu » (Héb. 13:17 ; lire 1 Pierre 5:2, 3). Alors comment peuvent-ils diriger le troupeau sans le commander en maîtres ? Autrement dit, comment peuvent-ils répondre aux besoins des brebis sans abuser de l’autorité dont Dieu les a investis ?
      « IL LES PORTERA SUR SON SEIN »
      Parlant de Jéhovah, le prophète Isaïe a déclaré : « Comme un berger il fera paître son troupeau. De son bras il rassemblera les agneaux ; et sur son sein il les portera. Il conduira doucement celles qui allaitent » (Is. 40:11). Cette comparaison montre que Jéhovah se soucie des besoins des membres de la congrégation faibles et vulnérables. De même qu’un berger connaît les besoins particuliers de chaque brebis de son troupeau et se tient prêt à les combler, Jéhovah connaît les besoins des membres de la congrégation et est heureux de leur apporter le soutien voulu. À l’image d’un berger qui, si nécessaire, porte un agneau nouveau-né dans le pli de son vêtement, « le Père des tendres miséricordes » nous portera, ou nous consolera, quand nous serons durement éprouvés ou rencontrerons un besoin particulier (2 Cor. 1:3, 4).

      Quel exemple admirable pour un berger chrétien ! Comme son Père céleste, il lui faut être attentif aux besoins des brebis. S’il est au courant des difficultés qu’elles rencontrent et des besoins qui méritent une attention immédiate, il sera en mesure d’offrir l’encouragement et le soutien nécessaires (Prov. 27:23). Il doit donc bien communiquer avec ses compagnons chrétiens. Tout en respectant la vie privée de chacun, il s’intéresse à ce qu’il voit et entend dans la congrégation, avec amour, il se rend disponible pour « venir en aide aux faibles » (Actes 20:35 ; 1 Thess. 4:11).
      Parlons de la mentalité de bergers que Jéhovah a désapprouvés. Aux jours d’Ézékiel et de Jérémie, Jéhovah a dénoncé ceux qui auraient dû s’occuper de ses brebis, mais ne le faisaient pas. Quand personne ne surveillait les brebis, le troupeau devenait la proie de bêtes sauvages et se dispersait. Ces bergers exploitaient les brebis et, plutôt que de les faire paître, « ils se paissaient eux-mêmes » (Ézék. 34:7-10 ; Jér. 23:1). Le reproche que Dieu leur a fait est tout aussi valable pour les chefs de la chrétienté. Mais il souligne également combien il est important qu’un ancien s’occupe avec sérieux et amour du troupeau de Jéhovah.
      « JE VOUS AI DONNÉ L’EXEMPLE »
      En raison de l’imperfection humaine, certaines brebis peuvent être lentes à comprendre ce que le Berger suprême attend d’elles. Elles ne se conforment pas toujours à un conseil biblique ou ont un comportement trahissant un manque de maturité spirituelle. Comment les anciens doivent-ils réagir ? Ils devraient imiter la patience qu’a eue Jésus envers ses disciples quand ils cherchaient à savoir qui parmi eux serait le plus grand dans le Royaume. Au lieu de perdre patience, Jésus a continué à les enseigner et à leur donner des conseils bienveillants sur la pratique de l’humilité (Luc 9:46-48 ; 22:24-27). En leur lavant les pieds, il leur a fait une démonstration d’humilité, qualité que les surveillants chrétiens sont tenus de manifester (lire Jean 13:12-15 ; 1 Pierre 2:21).
      Le point de vue de Jésus sur le rôle du berger n’était pas le même que celui que Jacques et Jean ont un jour manifesté. Ces deux apôtres cherchaient à s’assurer une place en vue dans le Royaume. Mais Jésus a rectifié cet état d’esprit ainsi : « Vous savez que les chefs des nations dominent sur elles, et que les grands usent d’autorité sur elles. Il n’en sera pas ainsi parmi vous ; mais quiconque voudra devenir grand parmi vous sera votre serviteur » (Mat. 20:25, 26, Bible de Darby). Les apôtres devaient résister à l’envie de « commander en maîtres » leurs compagnons ou de « dominer sur » eux.
      Jésus tient à ce que les bergers chrétiens traitent le troupeau comme lui le traitait. Ils doivent être disposés à servir leurs compagnons, pas les dominer. Paul a manifesté une telle humilité. Il a dit en effet aux anciens de la congrégation d’Éphèse : « Vous savez bien comment, depuis le premier jour où j’ai mis le pied dans le district d’Asie, j’ai été avec vous tout le temps, travaillant comme un esclave pour le Seigneur, avec la plus grande humilité. » L’apôtre souhaitait que ces anciens soutiennent les brebis avec dévouement et humilité. Il a ajouté : « Je vous ai montré en toutes choses que c’est en peinant ainsi que vous devez venir en aide aux faibles » (Actes 20:18, 19, 35). Il a par ailleurs dit aux Corinthiens qu’il ne dominait pas sur leur foi. Il était plutôt leur humble compagnon de travail, pour leur joie (2 Cor. 1:24). C’est un bel exemple d’humilité et de courage pour les anciens de notre époque.
      « FERMEMENT ATTACHÉ À LA PAROLE FIDÈLE »
      Un ancien doit être « fermement attaché à la parole fidèle pour ce qui est de son art d’enseigner » (Tite 1:9). Mais il le sera « dans un esprit de douceur » (Gal. 6:1). Un bon berger chrétien ne force pas une brebis à agir de telle ou telle façon. Non, il réfléchit à la manière dont il stimulera son cœur. Il attirera peut-être son attention sur les principes bibliques à considérer avant de prendre une décision importante. Il reverra avec elle ce que les publications ont dit sur la question. Il l’exhortera à réfléchir aux conséquences de tel ou tel choix sur ses relations avec Jéhovah. Il pourra aussi insister sur l’importance de demander à Dieu sa direction avant de prendre une décision (Prov. 3:5, 6). Ensuite, il la laissera prendre elle-même sa décision (Rom. 14:1-4).
      La seule autorité que les surveillants chrétiens détiennent leur vient des Écritures. Alors ils doivent absolument se servir de la Bible avec habileté et adhérer à son contenu. Ils se garderont ainsi d’un éventuel abus de pouvoir. Car ils ne sont que sous-bergers ; chaque membre de la congrégation est responsable devant Jéhovah et Jésus de ses propres décisions (Gal. 6:5, 7, 8).
      « DES EXEMPLES POUR LE TROUPEAU »
      Après avoir déconseillé aux anciens ( prêtres )« commander en maîtres ceux qui [leur] sont échus en partage », l’apôtre Pierre les exhorte à « devenir des exemples pour le troupeau » (1 Pierre 5:3, note). De quelle façon sont-ils des exemples pour le troupeau ? Prenons deux des choses requises d’un frère qui « aspire à une fonction de surveillant ». Il lui faut être « sain d’esprit » et « présider de belle façon, sa propre maisonnée ». S’il a une famille, il doit la présider de manière exemplaire, car « si quelqu’un [...] ne sait pas présider sa propre maisonnée, comment prendra-t-il soin de la congrégation ( assemblée) de Dieu ? » (1 Tim. 3:1, 2, 4, 5). Il doit également être sain d’esprit, c’est-à-dire comprendre clairement les principes divins et savoir comment les appliquer dans sa propre vie. Il est calme et équilibré et se garde de porter des jugements hâtifs. Autant de qualités qui inspirent confiance aux membres de la congrégation.
      Les surveillants donnent également l’exemple en prenant la tête dans l’œuvre de prédication. Jésus lui-même leur a donné l’exemple à cet égard. La prédication de la bonne nouvelle du Royaume a occupé une grande partie de son activité terrestre. Il a montré à ses disciples comment il fallait l’accomplir (Marc 1:38 ; Luc 8:1). Qu’il est encourageant, de nos jours, de prêcher aux côtés des anciens, de constater leur zèle pour cette œuvre salvatrice et d’apprendre de leurs méthodes d’enseignement ! Leur détermination à consacrer du temps et de l’énergie à la prédication malgré un emploi du temps chargé insuffle du zèle à toute la congrégation. Enfin, les anciens donnent l’exemple en préparant les réunions de la congrégation et en y participant, mais aussi en prenant part à des activités comme le nettoyage et la maintenance de la Salle du Royaume (Éph. 5:15, 16 ; lire (Hébreux 13:7) 
      « SOUTENEZ LES FAIBLES »
      Quand une brebis se blesse ou tombe malade, un bon berger vole à son secours. Pareillement, quand un membre de la congrégation souffre ou a besoin d’une aide spirituelle, les anciens doivent réagir rapidement. Un chrétien âgé ou malade a sans doute besoin d’une aide pratique, mais il a surtout besoin d’un soutien spirituel et d’encouragements (1 Thess. 5:14). Les jeunes rencontrent peut-être des difficultés. Résister aux « désirs de la jeunesse » en est une (2 Tim. 2:22). Le berger doit donc rendre régulièrement visite aux membres de la congrégation dans le but de comprendre les épreuves qu’ils traversent et de les encourager par des conseils bibliques bien choisis. Quand ces visites pastorales sont faites au bon moment, beaucoup de problèmes peuvent être résolus avant qu’ils ne s’aggravent.
      Et si les difficultés d’un chrétien s’aggravent au point de menacer sa santé spirituelle ? « Quelqu’un parmi vous est-il malade ?, a demandé le rédacteur biblique Jacques. Qu’il appelle à lui les anciens de la congrégation, et qu’ils prient sur lui, l’enduisant d’huile au nom de Jéhovah. Et la prière de la foi rétablira celui qui est souffrant, et Jéhovah le relèvera. De plus, s’il a commis des péchés, il lui sera pardonné » (Jacq. 5:14, 15). Même quand un chrétien « souffrant » « appelle à lui les anciens », ces derniers doivent lui venir en aide dès qu’ils sont au courant de son état. Les anciens qui prient avec sont là pour le fortifier et aussi tout frères en difficulté, et ils les soutiennent, se révèlent une source de réconfort et d’encouragement (lire Isaïe 32:1, 2).
      Dans tout ce qu’ils font au sein de l’organisation de Jéhovah, les bergers s’efforcent d’imiter « le grand berger », Jésus Christ. Grâce à l’aide de ces hommes dignes de confiance, le troupeau se fortifie et prospère. Tout cela nous réjouit profondément et nous pousse à louer le plus Grand Berger sans pareil,  notre Dieu Jéhovah



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