CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News

[Arauna]

7 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

the ones being discredited?

In the new definitions that they are changing "natural immunity" no longer exists.  You only have immunity when you have had the "latest" booster.

The S protein is the weapon because it replicates. and this protein has synthetic parts.

 

[Dmitar]

On 11/16/2021 at 7:19 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

So am I right that if the spikiness of the S protein allows it to penetrate cells so as to infect, the spikiness of the antigen produced upon stimulation by the shot is just as architecturally dangerous, even though not infectious? And so, that is why you do want to take out the virus should it appear, but you want to do so through safer means, the ones being discredited? And that, unless and until the virus appears, meanwhile the spikiness of the shot inflicts damage of its own?

Hello kind sir,

Can you clarify for me what you mean by "shot inflicts damage, of its own" if a synthetic protein has no dangerous antigen? It is there, merely to "mimic" a viable, dangerous product. 

Neuroviral infections _ RNA viruses and retroviruses-CRC Press (2013)

"Once RNP is released into the cytoplasm, the panhandle structure of the RNA is relaxed and the N proteins dissociate from the 3′ terminus of the RNA. Primary transcription of the vRNA to mRNA occurs in the cytoplasm through the cap-snatch mechanism. The endonuclease activity of the L protein is responsible for cleavage of the 5′ cap together with several nucleotides from selected host mRNAs (Figure 4.2b). The cleaved cap subsequently associates with the vRNA, and this initiates synthesis of the complementary strand. The viral protein N plays an important role in this process as it serves as a cap binding protein (similar to the eukaryotic eIF4E), and helps the L protein to cleave host mRNA (Panganiban and Mir 2009). Some specific host mRNAs are cleaved preferentially; for instance, LACV in mosquito cells utilizes preferable mRNA coding for proteins that are similar to apoptosis inhibitors from Drosophila (Borucki et al. 2002). To provide sufficient mRNAs for cleavage, hantaviruses have developed effective strategies for their storage in the cell. After the binding of N protein to the 5′ cap, the mRNAs are translocated to the so-called P-bodies where the mRNA is protected from degradation by binding to a viral nucleocapsid protein (Mir et al. 2008). At the 3′ end of the synthesized RNA, a couple of nucleotides are missed. These missed nucleotides are added by a mechanism called realign, when the L protein slides back to the start of the template vRNA after transcribing several nucleotides (Figure 4.2b) (Jin and Elliott 1993; Garcin et al. 1995). Only vRNA that is associated with an N protein can serve as a template for mRNA transcription (Dunn et al. 1995).

Transcription of the S and L genomic segments is terminated by at least two terminating sequences, which are localized in the 5′ NCR. However, no analogous sequences were found in the M segment (Barr et al. 2006). Immediately after transcription, the translation of viral proteins begins. The translation starts when the N protein associates with the 5′ cap of the mRNA. The N protein mimics the activity of eIF4G (eukaryotic translation initiation factor 4 gamma), which activates the host cell’s 43S preinitiation complex and thus facilitates translation (Panganiban and Mir 2009). p.73

Molecular Biology of the SARS-Coronavirus by Ilona Glowacka

"The role of antibodies in antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) in SARS vaccine has been controversial and extensively debated (Perlman and Dandekar 2005; Chen and Subbarao 2007). However, most of the evidence is taken from limited data from in vitro and animal experiments. The interpretation of these findings with regard to implications for human disease is not clear. Concerns over the safety of SARS vaccines came from a previous animal study in which ADE was observed in domestic cats after vaccination against feline infectious peritonitis coronavirus (FIPV) (Vennema et al. 1990). Moreover, ferrets that are immunized with MVA vaccine expressing S protein suffer hepatitis whilst failing to develop protection (Weingartl et al. 2004). In addition, some variants of SARS-CoV are resistant to antibody neutralization, but the infection is enhanced by antibodies against a different variant (Yang et al. 2005b). Under in vitro conditions, entry into human B-cell lines by SARS-CoV virus could be carried out in an FcgRII-dependent and ACE2-independent fashion, indicating that ADE of virus entry is an alternative cell entry mechanism of SARS-CoV (Kam et al. 2007). However, there is no direct evidence that patients with SARS have had previous exposure to a related virus. Likewise, there is no evidence of enhanced disease in the lungs of animals that are infected with SARS-CoV following passive transfer of antibodies against SARS-CoV induced by infection or immunization. Also, macrophages are not productively infected by SARS-CoV (Subbarao et al. 2004; Bisht et al. 2004; Stadler et al. 2005; Yang et al. 2004b; Greenough et al. 2005; Kam et al. 2007). Hence, the potential for ADE following SARS vaccination is low. However, due to the lack of animal models that mimic the clinical disease in humans, care must be taken in the interpretation of the safety data of SARS vaccines." pp. 269-270

Are you referring to another viral infection other than COVID-19? Or are you referring to an antiviral vaccine that doesn't have the mRNA synthetic component, such as the J&J vaccine. Thank you in advance.

[TrueTomHarley]

34 minutes ago, NoisySrecko said:

Can you clarify for me what you mean by "shot inflicts damage, of its own" if a synthetic protein has no dangerous antigen?

The idea is that if the archtecture (the spikiness) of the virus in itself inflicts damage, enabling it to puncture cells, so will that of the manufactured antigens. Think along the lines of those computerized enactments of how strokes develop, blood passageways being clogged up by plaque, logjams that occur within the body. Molecules that flow through the body ought be smooth, and the virus, as well as the antigens made to combat it, are anything but. 

The virus itself is not anything naturally occurring, but has been created through ‘gain of function’ research. If this is true, as is alleged with considerable evidence, then the antigens created that fight the virus are just as unnatural, even as they do succeed to some extent in muting it.

Understand, I make no claim to be any expert. I’ve gleaned this from reading sources I consider trustworthy. 

[TrueTomHarley]

24 minutes ago, NoisySrecko said:

Can you clarify for me what you mean by "shot inflicts damage, of its own" if a synthetic protein has no dangerous antigen?

The idea is that the architecture of the spike virus it itself inflicts damage, enabling it to puncture the cell it infects. If this is true, the antigen the body is coerced  to manufacture through the vaccine also has that spiky shape which tears at surfaces and logjams up. Think of computerized enactments you have seen of how strokes begin, by plaques accumulating and forming blockages. Molecules in the bloodstream flow best if they are ‘smooth.’ The spike protein is anything but.

Remember, it is not a natural shape. It does not occur in nature of its own, but it has been unleashed through gain-of-function research. Therefore, the shape of the antigen, even as it does combat the virus to an extent, is also unnatural.

Understand that I make no claim to be any expert. I’m okay with being corrected. The above I have gleaned through sources I consider trustworthy. 

[Arauna]

17 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

nderstand that I make no claim to be any expert.

The virus has not been isolated - the MRNA they are putting in us creates spike proteins. The spike is the weapon. You described it better than I could.   This is a bio-weapon and the patents have been around since 2005.  They have been lying about it being a novel/ new virus.  All the sequences have been patented in more than 2000 patents over the years. This is deliberate deceit. Most doctors do not know what is in the "sleever" because they do not have access to information and have to trust the "authorities".  

[Dmitar]

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The virus itself is not anything naturally occurring, but has been created through ‘gain of function’ research. If this is true, as is alleged with considerable evidence, then the antigens created that fight the virus are just as unnatural, even as they do succeed to some extent in muting it.

Understand, I make no claim to be any expert. I’ve gleaned this from reading sources I consider trustworthy. 

Thank you friend. However, an antigen would not simulate a virus spikiness as indicated. It mimics the mitochondrial in order to achieve its goal. How would an mRNA vaccine be harmful? Can you expand on your thought? 

I understand you claim not to be an expert, and you consider your sources to be trustworthy. The majority of the scientific community agrees mRNA to be safe. Are these sources you consider trustworthy, academic in nature? Have they acquired a per-review? 

[Arauna]

28 minutes ago, NoisySrecko said:

It mimics the mitochondrial in order to achieve its goal.

I do not understand it this way.  It does enter the core of the cell - but not the mitochondria.  The S-protein is replicated in all cells through the MRNA print. Messenger RNA (mRNA) carries the protein blueprint from a cell's DNA to its ribosomes, which are the "machines" that drive protein synthesis. Transfer RNA (tRNA) then carries the appropriate amino acids into the ribosome for inclusion in the new protein.....The new protein is S-protein which is deadly to the body......  It does not stop (no poptosis). No off-switch.

[Arauna]

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[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

I do not understand it this way.  It does enter the core of the cell - but not the mitochondria.  The S-protein is replicated in all cells through the MRNA print. Messenger RNA (mRNA) carries the protein blueprint from a cell's DNA to its ribosomes, which are the "machines" that drive protein synthesis. Transfer RNA (tRNA) then carries the appropriate amino acids into the ribosome for inclusion in the new protein.....The new protein is S-protein which is deadly to the body......  It does not stop (no poptosis). No off-switch.

Hello. The sequencing is in the vDNA. The spikiness in Covid-19 or crown is the formation which the mRNA does not replicate. 

In non-dividing cells, viruses can only access the nucleus through the nuclear pore complex (NPC). Therefore, viruses have developed strategies to usurp the nuclear transport machinery and gain access to the nucleus. The majority of these viruses use the capsid to manipulate the nuclear import machinery.

Therefore, the mRNA synthetically mimics that blueprint from a cell's DNA, as you adequately imply. Thank you friends for clarifying any misconceptions by giving a profound presentation.

[JW Insider]

BTW, I have been watching the lunar eclipse this morning and it is one of the "best" I've ever seen.

I don't want to divert the good discussion about the virus here, but I still wanted to follow up on the subject of fake news regarding China. And, of course, with the Fauci-China "gain of function" connection, and suspicion about the Wuhan lab connection, there is plenty of virus news appropriate to the topic.

On 10/29/2021 at 9:05 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

Well, the CCP has succeeded in doing what no Communist government has ever done, notably improving the material prosperity of the average person.

This statement has some truth in it, but is also a false statement. It is true that the CCP has succeeded in improving the material prosperity of the average person. Alleviating poverty and bringing quality of life issues to the average person has always been the primary stated goal of communism and socialism. It is the reason there is often such a public impetus for, and public acceptance of communism and socialism in countries that have remained communist. (And public outcry for abolishing the colonial/imperialist traditions in many countries clamoring for communism/socialism.)

But the problem with the quoted statement is that MANY communist governments have succeeded in improving the material prosperity of the average person. Russia, as the USSR, was a transformation from a nation of a few comfortable "nobles" who lorded it over a huge underclass of poor overworked "peasants," many barely subsisting from day to day. Under the czars, those peasants lived a slave-like existence and suffered and died greatly from famines every few years. Yet, the transformation began to work rather quickly. It was interrupted, of course, by a devastating war (WW2) which the USSR won (almost single-handedly) against the Nazis, and they also suffered widespread natural famines both before and after the war.

Still, the economic policies of the USSR continued to transform it into a country that, within a couple of decades had succeeded in alleviating poverty to the masses, increased education, increased health care availability, better housing, better infrastructure, increased life expectancy, and generally produced a wealth of programs that the population of the country appreciated. 

Imagine the surprise of the United States when the USSR, for example, went from a devastated nation after WW2, to a nation that had a successful space program that was far ahead of the USA, and could purportedly match military parity with the USA at only a small fraction of the per-capita costs the USA would need to spend.

Although the USA and West had been allied with the USSR for the war, the USA in particular was scared to death of this kind of success. They were especially scared of the newfound popularity of communism.

I used the example of the USSR, but there were examples in Indonesia, Africa, and Central and South America. Cuba and Venezuela were prime examples close to the USA where US sabotage came a little too late to erase most of the successful programs in those countries.

After WW2, the success of the USSR would influence groups in China, Indonesia, Africa, and dozens of countries around the world (even in Europe) to support a communist party. The USA considered it to be it's "job" to crush and sabotage communist parties all around the world. All successes must look like economic failures. All successful communist and socialist governments had to be painted as dictatorial regimes. The USA would give military support to any real dictators to crush any growing communist parties in any country of the world. Assassinations of party leaders were attempted and often carried out. Sometimes this was not so subtle, like the US supporting "death squads" to get rid of the communist parties in Italy for example after WW2, but other times the failures of unprepared and faltering communist states could be left on their own to fail.

In communist/socialist countries there is always the option of Western alliances cutting off of trade (sanctions) to hopefully starve enough people in communist/socialist countries to create dissatisfaction with their governments, which will inevitably produce anti-government groups, which the USA will then flood with military and propaganda support (secretly if possible) to hopefully create a civil war to weaken the country, or produce a puppet dictator if the coup is successful. At the very least, sanctions will create a situation where a country begins to rely on a non-Western country for economic support. This is a propaganda windfall for the United States, because if a country like Cuba or Venezuela is forced to rely on Russia or China for support, then they can be seen as an "enemy" and no one will care about the continued economic sanctions. 

As a good example, how many people really knew that "Biden" kidnapped the envoy to Venezuela a couple of weeks ago when he traveled to another country (outside the USA)? How many people knew that Twitter was given a list of poll-watchers in Nicaragua so that they cancelled the poll-watcher accounts BEFORE the elections were held, and before the poll-watchers had said anything about the elections, either positive or negative? How many people already knew that back in July the US was preparing a set of protests in mid-November in several different countries (including Cuba, Bolivia, Peru) to be able to report on factions of dissatisfaction in those countries. (The mid-November protests happened as predicted, but the results were underwhelming and got very little support. In some locations in Cuba, only one or two showed up, and I saw footage of passers-by scoffing at them.) 

On 10/29/2021 at 9:05 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

This may just do it for an atheist mindset that attaches far more value to material success than to spiritual values, so yes, it probably is plausible, if not proven.

Here you hit on one of the big problems the West usually has with communist and socialist governments. "True" communist ideologists often emulate the patterns of atheist ideas espoused from the time that Marx, Engels, etc, were formulating their ideas. These get mixed up with Darwin from the same period. The leaders of the USSR and China were drawn from those who espoused atheism, and their lack of tolerance for religion is still a major defect. And of course, there are many other problems inherent in communism ideologies that are not just a result of atheism. Successful leaders of any populist change of government are often drawn from the poor and under-educated (or myopically educated). This results in experimental policies that can fail spectacularly. (Not that this won't happen among Western countries, too.) 

And of course, those failures will be focused on for years to eclipse the successes. (BTW, did I mention the lunar eclipse last night?)

Also, because the communist leaders of many countries were often drawn from poorer, less educated populations in their country, the "West" will often be able to make use of racism, skin color or ethnic factions when fomenting chaos, and sabotage in countries with communist leaders. This might even come naturally to those portions of a population who feel that their privilege to lord it over "lesser" populations was interfered with when the new government pushed for more equality.

Of course, the communist governments will argue that this is not a lack of "spiritual values" but is exactly what good religion has demanded all along -- that a government should care for its poor, its orphans and widows, and provide food, shelter, and clothing (and education and health-care) to those who had been so oppressed under the previous regime.

[Arauna]

11 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

alleviating poverty and bringing quality of life issues to the average person has always been the primary stated goal of communism and socialism

China - was following a capitalistic investment program to alleviate poverty - that is true (although they were not altruistic in their goals but more about modernization and industrial growth of the central government ///// but they always wanted to return to the pure communism which they have done now. There has always been a faction in the  top echelons who believed that one can use capitalism to equalize wealth. But the belief is still that capitalism cannot grow forever and they point to the demise of the USA for this - which is also true, (stock markets cannot grow forever!).  (Human systems are flawed - as we all know). In the west this has also overtaken most of the schools of thinking..... this is why communism is openly preached in the universities and no-one bats an eyelid.

In the end - a neo- communistic central control model will engulf us all as pushed by their agenda of "environmental" sustainability..... which will further enrich those with money and those who made their money from the energy available before. They will be the technocrats and oligarchs of the future.

22 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

successful space program that was far ahead of the USA

Yes - when you have a centralized government surrounded by oligarchs - things work very well (think of Hitler's fascistic regime and the NWO now on our doorstep).     All central governments work better because they control things much better than democracy - where all opinions are accommodated............  In communism there is justice  for the controllers and those who support party goals but not for the poor.   I know of many horror stories in china and Russia.  Similar things are now happening in USA and people are outraged and do not understand what is going on.  Try to go to court on a matter that is not popular and you will see how they throw it out of court!  Even supreme court.  This is why I think the Tumpers are a sad lot when they thing government can still fix what is going on. Anyone who wants to go to court on "sleever" court cases can forget it -we are already living in a semi-fascistic control..... and more to come.

 

28 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

USA would give military support to any real dictators t

The CIA has been out of control for decades and this corruption has infiltrated all "secret" agencies.  NASA, DARPA,  and CIA are the worst.  They have paid terrorists, smuggled drugs and people , and corrupted many governments, wasted billions and covered up their terrible secret experiments on people. They outsourced all shady jobs to private companies which are now closely linked to the NWO such as Blackrock and Tech companies such as FB, Microsoft, Amazon etc.  Congress and Senate do not know half of what these organizations have done because there is no transparency of the budgets and the military industrial complex is out of control.  Similarly with gain of function research.  The chemical or pharma industrial complex is also out of control. .... which has infiltrated the food supply and may other industries.  So yes - Anglo-American power  is the 2-horned sheep who is a dragon. 

One cannot apologize for any of what has been going on. We cannot be naïve and apologize for any of these world powers.  

42 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

knew that Twitter was given a list of poll-watchers in Nicaragua so that they cancelled the poll-watcher accounts BEFORE the elections

The orange revolution , the rose revolution etc - they have done this same maneuvers before and got away with it.  Supercomputers were used in USA....... which were adapting from outside the country as they went along.  Everything dome by math so as to look above board.......NOthing is what is seems.  Many elections in the past in USA were also not clean....... and with justice.... even if people want to believe this.  TRUST in government - lol

46 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

because the communist leaders of many countries were often drawn from poorer, less educated populations in their country,

True - in Africa the communist collective ideology fits in with African culture - this is why Africa was never a success and always went into dictatorships.  Most of the leaders also received training under Libya, Cuba or Russia. 

49 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Of course, the communist governments will argue that this is not a lack of "spiritual values" but is exactly what good religion has demanded all along -- that a government should care for its poor, its orphans and widows, and provide food, shelter, and clothing (and education and health-care) to those who had been so oppressed under the previous regime.

True, because of a loss of religion, populations are now ready for the 4th industrial revolution which will bring in the transhumanist and AI revolution. With propaganda for sustainable development reaching an all time high - populations will soon be clamoring for more control of the environment and give up freedom of choice to get rid of their fears and feel SAFE under a neo-communist regime.

[Thinking]

17 hours ago, NoisySrecko said:

Thank you friend. However, an antigen would not simulate a virus spikiness as indicated. It mimics the mitochondrial in order to achieve its goal. How would an mRNA vaccine be harmful? Can you expand on your thought? 

I understand you claim not to be an expert, and you consider your sources to be trustworthy. The majority of the scientific community agrees mRNA to be safe. Are these sources you consider trustworthy, academic in nature? Have they acquired a per-review? 

The majority of the scientific community are basically toeing the line or are genuinely ignorant due to the artfully contrived propaganda and the deliberate blocking of true science being spoken off.

Dont use google or utube…they are useless and tools to the satanic agenda….you have to go to places like… BITCHUTE ….RUMBLE …NEW YOU TUBE … …BRIGHTON…there are many others but I can not keep up with them…..look for the specialists in the field of vaccinations ..science and medicine…

 

A few names to give you a head start….

Geert Vandon Bosch…..this poor man is highly credentialed and a expert on vaccination….he’s also a very brave and principled man….what he foretold would happen has eventuates …my advice would be to watch all of his videos especially his first one …

Dr Robert Malone….one of the creators of the MRNA vaxination pathways…again highly credentialed and brave man.

Prof Delores Cahill…

Dr David Martin….fascinating to listen to….on the patterns and vaccination laws etc…..personally I think he is in the genies category…tho I may not agree with some of his other topics..on this subject he is amazing with his knowledge 

Catherine Austin

Dr Richard Fleming….

Dr Peter Mc Cullough….incredibly brave and highly credentialed in a number of fields ..

Judy Mikovitis….very brave woman…

Dr Mike Yeardon….very highly specialized and very brave man…..as he said..we are standing at the gates of hell!

You will see some of these men just break down and cry..due to the implications this is having on mankind and them being gagged as to getting it out to the population.

You may already know all of these and researched them yourselves….I’m don’t mean to assume you haven’t…sp please don’t be offended …but this is just scratching the surface of the MOST HIGHLY SPECIALIZED EDUCATED SCIENTIST speaking out but are being deliberately silenced and gagged by others working for the dark side…

remember they don’t all agree with each other over every detail …nor do I…but on the main points and basic facts…and science they all are in agreance with…the implications for mankind is terrifying…

Indeed looking at it from a cold hearted unemotional stand..it has been a master stroke ..a undeniable genius act or war strategy  by Satan….