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"...Vehren said police were alerted to the shooting about 9:15 p.m. and were on the scene quickly. He said that after officers arrived and found people with apparent gunshot wounds on the ground floor, they heard a shot from an upper floor and found a fatally wounded person upstairs who may have been a shooter. He said police did not have to use their firearms.

Vehren said there was no indication that a shooter was on the run and that it appeared likely that the perpetrator was either in the building or among the dead.  "

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamburg-germany-shooting-jehovahs-witness-hall-gross-borstel/

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I have just read a "report" and have no idea of its accuracy. Anyway, apparently that night of the midweek service meeting it was announced that Mr. Philipp Fusz (35) no longer one of JWs. During the

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"...Vehren said police were alerted to the shooting about 9:15 p.m. and were on the scene quickly. He said that after officers arrived and found people with apparent gunshot wounds on the ground floor

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It's made US national news all over this morning. Authorities believe the shooter is among the dead. This is how it is currently reported on jw.org:

 

BREAKING NEWS | Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

 

On March 9, 2023, a shooter attacked the Hamburg-Winterhude Kingdom Hall after the midweek meeting had concluded. Sadly, four brothers, two sisters, and a sister’s unborn child were killed in this shooting. Several other brothers and sisters were injured. Local elders are providing spiritual comfort to the family members and friends of those affected. We appreciate the courageous help provided by the police and emergency services. Our prayers are with all those affected by the attack. We are confident that Jehovah, the God of peace, will continue to be a refuge and strength in this time of distress.—Psalm 9:9; 46:1; Philippians 4:9.

 

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10 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

 

the germans tried that back in the 1940s,it didn't succeed then either😢

 

NPR announced this morning that he was a former member of the Watchtower Headquarters. Even mentioning the United States. But this seems very doubtful now that I have read his bio and website and self-promotional writings and his own book review.

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I have just read a "report" and have no idea of its accuracy. Anyway, apparently that night of the midweek service meeting it was announced that Mr. Philipp Fusz (35) no longer one of JWs. During the prayer, Fusz left the KH, went to his car to retrieve a gun and started randomly shooting into the auditorium through an open window that was behind the podium. (The window is apparently opened after the meeting to allow for fresh air). He emptied one magazine and then after putting a new one in he climbed through the window and emptied that one too. It was 9:15 when the police smashed the glass in the entrance door and entered the KH. The shooter ran up the stairs to the second floor where he shot himself. 

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Tragic. Germany though has been hit with a lot of issue similar to this in recent years, both by jihadists and far-right extremists. Other than that, best believe your opposition will spin the narrative as they did with other shooting situations, while at the same time, rational people are getting fed up with them, and attacking back claims.

That being said, the shooter in question was a former JW (wasn't a JW for 18 months and had left the faith community), some of his publications, noted by sources, were found online, such as The Truth About God, Jesus Christ And Satan. A New Reflected View Of Epochal Dimensions, these books were also mentioned by your opposition, even by some of Pearl's people, granted they use anything and everything to counter whatever publications you have.

Not only this situation effects the Jehovah's Witnesses faith community, but it also effects anyone who use firearms responsibly, as well as those who believe an unborn child to be a living soul, since we already know how some groups few a child in the womb. Africans and Ukrainians will also be angry too, hence the victims.

As with the other situations, similar to a degree, I wouldn't be surprise if influence was involved, granted, most cases like this seem to stem form that, no matter how anyone tries to deny it, ironic too because I mention this many times before.

 

Like I said, times will be more tough and serious, therefore, it would be suggested to make some applications because nowadays, there are, and will be people out to get you, even being pushed by others to do so.

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7 minutes ago, Anna said:

This seems to be the guy:

https://philippfusz.com/about-me/

Yep, that is him. Apparently, he was angry at his former employer too. The police had went to his home in February when they got tipped with a letter from an unknown person, but didn't do or suspect anything because he was cooperative. This is an example of anyone, be it teacher, elder, pastor, even those in law, such as a police officer, can't see if the person is a threat or not because often times, people can easily put up a show, whether they manipulate someone or not in order to do something bad.

 

That letter should have prompted them to keep a watch on this person.

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