Would you give your life for your errant brother?

[Anna]

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What if she had been in need for more then a "small dose"?!. Some persons fall in desperation, is suicidal emotions. What if daughter made suicide after unanswered call?? Because this can be very real Life scenario that WT want to escape for manipulative reasons on convention's public. What would parents, and mother especially, who not want to respond on phone,  think of WT helping methods "for the greater and long term benefit of a person" after funeral of their daughter?? 

I understand everything you say. Don't get me wrong, I was never agreeing with this video, in fact I think it's one of the worst videos WT has ever made. What I was doing was refuting what someone said, about love being switched on and off. It isn't. The love is still there, and a lot of heartache for the parents who believe this is the right thing to do for the benefit of their child. 

Like you say, no situation is the same. I have reasons to believe the scenario in the video was based on actual events. I know of a very similar one myself. However, as you say, this video does not take into account any other circumstances that could happen in real life. For that reason  I think it is a dangerous video, especially for someone who  is bound to do things unquestioningly. I am hoping most parents who know their child well, and who are in a similar circumstance, will know how to act so that a tragedy does not happen.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

1 hour ago, AllenSmith34 said:

Yet, when guardsmen are called into action, these men are prepared to kill, since they are under dual control by the State and federal. Where, do you see your understanding of Jesus framework that can be interpreted and applied correctly by the remaining sects in Christendom, by this simple truth?

Jesus is also prepared to kill ... Armageddon will be a slaughter from one end of the Earth to the other end of the Earth.

...for the same reason a National Guardsman kills when called upon .... to protect the innocent.

The only difference is ... the National Guardsman is doing it NOW!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

AllenSmith:

We are obviously talking about two different things.

I do not expect National Guardsman to consider anything but to protect and serve according to their sworn oath, and sometimes to protect the innocent and enforce the Laws of the Land, they have to use FORCE.

You cannot enforce laws with using FORCE, or the assured EXPECTATION of force.

Including deadly force, when the Bad Guys are stupidly mucking about.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

AllenSmith:

When evil men under cover of a disaster such as hurricane Florence are looting your home, or terrorizing your family, or killing them ... please feel free to give them a scripture, or a nice cone of ice cream.

My response, if I can manage it, will be QUITE different.

I will read a nice scripture to the survivors ... if any.

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, AllenSmith34 said:

No argument there

I think we have argument in Bible report about last night when Jesus said this:

³⁶ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ³⁷ It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’^[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

³⁸ The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, AllenSmith34 said:

Jesus praying in mount olive for his apostles not to enter into temptation.

Well yes, it is ok what Jesus put in his prayer. But he personally ask them to have sword/swords with them at that temptation moment. Why would Jesus intentionally stumble his friends and made them to do something what is wrong? Because of fulfilling the prophecy? Or Jesus made some parables,  enigmatic message, hyperbole, secret teaching?

Why would Jesus ask them to CARRY swords, when he knows very well that his followers can, might be put in temptation to use it? Or did Jesus want that sword to be used? 

Anyway, Jesus gave Peter just advice about what could happen if you use lethal weapon in confrontation with other people. Interestingly, after healing the ear of injured man, Jesus gave no explicit command to Peter how he is guilty of breaking JHVH Law or Jesus Law.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, AllenSmith34 said:

The fact that Srecko made an attempt to justify placing the word love in a position to reflect some erred assumption (firemen) triggered that debate.

Ohh Allen, Do you really want to say how i am the one who put you in temptation and dragged you in this discussion?? :))))) 

[Srecko Sostar]

19 hours ago, AllenSmith34 said:

What is Bible truth versus human behavior?

sinners ......first thing came to me in this moment........

....then we can count some other attributes too......................

[Space Merchant]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I think we have argument in Bible report about last night when Jesus said this:

³⁶ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ³⁷ It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’^[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

³⁸ The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.

Caiaphas had sent soldiers to go after and arrest Christ Jesus during nightfall. Jesus was very aware of this, so during his final meal with his apostles, he asked them to get some swords. 2 would be used, and Jesus had them get the swords so he can teach them a vital lesson, which brings us to Luke 22:36-38 (moneybags [a purse] is also mentioned but last we talked you didn't believe they carried any). Later that night, one of the apostles, Peter, used a sword to attack a member of the mob that came for Jesus for he himself knew of the injustice that was taking place, read, John 18:10.Due to this, we see Jesus say to Peter, for he told him to return his sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword, read Matthew 26:52, 53. This is the vital and yet powerful lesson Jesus taught that was in harmony within  what Jesus prayed about earlier that night, hence the term, they must be no part of the world (John 17:16).

What Peter did was not for him to make, but anything in regards to fighting such an injustice belongs to and is left to God.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well yes, it is ok what Jesus put in his prayer. But he personally ask them to have sword/swords with them at that temptation moment. Why would Jesus intentionally stumble his friends and made them to do something what is wrong? Because of fulfilling the prophecy? Or Jesus made some parables,  enigmatic message, hyperbole, secret teaching?

Sostar... The cross references even points to the very lesson Jesus was trying to teach. How did you miss that? You when to Biblegateway and it shows you there also.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Why would Jesus ask them to CARRY swords, when he knows very well that his followers can, might be put in temptation to use it? Or did Jesus want that sword to be used? 

To show them a lesson which is in harmony with what he prayed about the night before. The cross-references even tell you.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Anyway, Jesus gave Peter just advice about what could happen if you use lethal weapon in confrontation with other people. Interestingly, after healing the ear of injured man, Jesus gave no explicit command to Peter how he is guilty of breaking JHVH Law or Jesus Law.

Not advice, a lesson. The other Apostles were also present when Jesus spoke, hence the talk about money bags/purse and food pouches.

YHWH's Law and Jesus Law? You do realize Jesus is a mediator of the New Covenant, the very Law of which Paul addresses in a symbolic term as the Free Woman in direct reference to Sara or did you forget the Biblical Facts addressed to you in the last discussion?

[Space Merchant]

@AllenSmith34 The point was obvious. I didn't see how that was missed. BibleGateway and Biblehub even points to that lesson also, and that is pretty much holding your hand to lead you to the right answer.

[Evacuated]

20 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

the National Guardsman is doing it NOW!

Unfortunately however, with National Guardsman there is always the possibility of amicicide with no redress.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

moneybags [a purse] is also mentioned but last we talked you didn't believe they carried any

SM please be more careful about putting your ideas and words in my mouth about what i told or not told. Our conversation about money was in different context. I never said how i don't or didn't believe in "carried a purse". SM, SM :)))))))))