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A pretty good guess, I would imagine. I like to think that is still quite low, in view of Invisiblechild.org  reporting that 1 out of every 5 children in the US will be suffer molestation before age 1

So much can go wrong with trying to read too much into the numbers. Even if there is a database of 12,000 or more pedophiles, this does not mean that all of them were found to be actively committing c

"A News Corp investigation into the global Christian sect Jehovah's Witnesses has revealed they have allegedly pushed cash offshore to avoid paying compensation to Australian child sex abuse victims."

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1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

Yeah, but you act like one here. Even free birds have the sense to understand when they are hatched what their survival Intel. They don't have the mindset of a human, but they still learn skills. What's the excuse then for people? 

For you Billy the Kid, there is no excuse. 

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The headline of this article is pure spin. I would also put my money offshore if I could because the dollar has already fallen...... They are trying to save what is left. But this may also be too late because a new financial world will emerge from this covid 19. All money will be digitized with ID..... How offshore money will be dealt with I am not sure. The GB used some offshore money before when they ran out of liquidity. It is good to save money in a 'perceived' safe place. To not pay people their money awarded by court they would have to declare bankruptcy in Australia - and I have not heard this in the news yet...… so the story above is pure spin...… but of course people with no clue of how this works will find the article interesting.... or the people who just love it because the spin puts JWs in a bad light.

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40 minutes ago, Arauna said:

The GB used some offshore money before when they ran out of liquidity. It is good to save money in a 'perceived' safe place.

This is fine way to show how their faith and trust in JHVH and Jesus is on high level. 

Good example for "sheep" to follow..... and to "help" Australian brothers and sisters economy :)) from New York. 

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5 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

This is fine way to show faith

What do you know about faith and  do you judge another's faith?  The bible does call them "discreet". So they will work with everything in the best way they know how.  

If they save money then you say they have no trust in God.  If they leave it to chance you will call them useless slaves and bad managers....... can they ever get your approval? I doubt it. Whatever they do will be wrong in your judgmental eyes.

 

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4 minutes ago, Arauna said:

What do you know about faith and  do you judge another's faith?  The bible does call them "discreet". So they will work with everything in the best way they know how.  

If they save money then you say they have no trust in God.  If they leave it to chance you will call them useless slaves and bad managers....... can they ever get your approval? I doubt it. Whatever they do will be wrong in your judgmental eyes.

 

I am only in position of observer not judge. And as observer coming to some conclusions, right or wrong. 

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The federal government on Wednesday outed the Australian Air League, Boys’ Brigade NSW, Fairbridge Restored Limited, Lakes Entrance Pony Club, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Kenja Communications.

But late on Wednesday the Australian Air League signed and submitted the letter of intent to join the scheme.

https://www.aap.com.au/redress-scheme-holdouts-to-be-revealed/?fbclid=IwAR3i4pSK3wUQQKDyo7McEtLvfX9QkAnUdwj0K3tTWIi-8hp8IdVGD-72-x8

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Prime Minister Scott Morrison has threatened the charity status and government funding of organisations that refuse to sign up to the child sexual abuse redress scheme by the Tuesday deadline.

Under the scheme, survivors can access up to $150,000 in compensation payments and an apology from the organisation involved.

The Jehovah's Witness have publicly resisted the scheme, insisting they do not have the institutional setup the scheme is designed to address.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-threatens-charity-status-of-organisations-refusing-to-join-abuse-redress-scheme-20200628-p556z8.html?fbclid=IwAR09qxgjTVytraT8wTjQWrkE00WUnwYDDwMm4EADxT6o5KD5z1vwYIsGF1s

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Jehovah’s Witnesses has argued it does not have the “institutional settings” necessary to be a part of the redress scheme.

Spokesperson Tom Pecipajkovski told the ABC it would respond directly to individual claims.

“Jehovah’s Witnesses understand that, to date, there have been less than 10 applicants to the redress scheme who have referred to the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses,” Pecipajkovski said.

“Jehovah’s Witnesses have responded and will continue to respond directly to individual claims for redress in a caring, fair, and principled manner, taking into consideration the unique circumstances of each claim.” 

https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2020/07/organisations-named-and-shamed-for-refusing-to-join-national-redress-scheme/

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Senator Ruston said it was not up to Jehovah's Witnesses or other organisations to decide whether their models suited the scheme or not.

"It's not up to you to make those decisions," she said.

"Let the independent scheme assess the validity of the arguments you're putting forward because they may well be correct but it's not for them to decide.

"We have applications and we have a responsibility to process them."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/government-names-shames-institutions-not-part-of-redress-scheme/12406850?fbclid=IwAR2ODewWHNdEzAeiFMUx1g3cMXqRnogpgpp0U3OtUZlPA7ahdGpe1nE4M1s

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    • An interesting concept, bible discipline. I am struck by the prevalence of ignorance about spiritual discipline on "Reddit." While physical and mental disciplines receive attention, the profound impact of spiritual discipline on a person's physical and mental well-being is often overlooked. Is it possible to argue against the words of the Apostle Paul? When he penned those words in Hebrews 12, he was recognizing that there are moments when an individual must be "rebuked" in order to be corrected. Even Jesus himself established a precedent when he rebuked Peter and referred to him as Satan for failing to comprehend what Jesus had already revealed to the apostles. Did that imply that Jesus had an evil heart? Not at all, it was quite the opposite; Jesus had a loving heart. His need to correct Peter actually showcased his genuine love for him. If he hadn't cared, he would have let Peter persist in his mistaken ways, leading to a fate similar to Judas'. There is a clear emphasis on avoiding the apostate translation and its meaning, yet many seem to overlook the biblical foundation for the reasons NOT to follow the path of the fallen brethren or those with an apostate mentality. Those individuals have embraced the path of darkness, where the illuminating power of light cannot penetrate, to avoid receiving the righteous discipline based on God's Bible teachings. They are undoubtedly aware that this undeniable truth of life must be disregarded in order to uphold their baseless justifications for the unjust act of shunning. Can anyone truly "force" someone or stop them from rejecting a friend or family member? Such a notion would be absurd, considering the fact that we all have the power of free will. If a Witness decides to distance themselves from a family member or friend simply because they have come out as gay, who is anyone within the organization to question or challenge that personal sentiment? It is unfortunate that there are individuals, both within and outside the organization, who not only lack a proper understanding of the Bible but also dare to suggest that God's discipline is barbaric. We must remember that personal choices should be respected, and it is not for others to judge or condemn someone based on their sexual orientation but should be avoided under biblical grounds. No one should have the power to compel an individual to change their sexual orientation, nor should anyone be forced to accept someone for who they are. When it comes to a family's desire to shield their children from external influences, who has the right to challenge the parents' decision? And if a family's rejection of others is based on cultural factors rather than religious beliefs, who can impose religious judgment on them? Who should true followers of Christ follow? The words of God or those who believe they can change God's laws to fit their lives? How can we apply the inspired words of Paul from God to embrace the reality of God's discipline? On the contrary, how can nonconformists expect to persuade those with a "worldview" that their religious beliefs are unacceptable by ostracizing individuals, when God condemns homosexuality? This is precisely why the arguments put forth by ex-witnesses are lacking in their pursuit of justice. When they employ misguided tactics, justice remains elusive as their arguments are either weak or inconsistent with biblical standards. Therefore, it is crucial to also comprehend Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 9:27. The use of the word "shun" is being exaggerated and excessively condemned by those who reject biblical shunning as a form of punishment. Eph 5:3-14 NIV 3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.  6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.  8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. 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