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[Amidstheroses]

50 minutes ago, Amidstheroses said:

I will ask answer your questions Pudgy —

@Pudgy@Allen Smith@Anna@Thinking@TrueTomHarley

Judge Samson was not suicidal, nor was Jesus Christ. They both were carrying out commissions assigned to them by our Life Giver and Ultimate Judge. 

Prior to Samson’s birth, an angel appeared to his mother telling her that her son would be assigned a Nazarite role from birth and “take the lead in saving Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.“ (Judges 13:1–5, 24; 16:17) 

Jehovah spirit was operative upon Samson many times during his life and he remained faithful until his death as we find him listed in Hebrews 11:32-34. Rightly there, among men of faith.

We have no reason to believe that when Samson prayed for power to avenge himself, for the ghoulish gouging which resulted in the loss of both of his eyes, and braced himself to push down the pillars in the Temple of Dagon, where the Philistines were taunting him, that he understood that he would die in the process.

1 Samuel 16:14–23 

Jehovah may have delivered him from those fiends in that way. 

Source: Insight Book Samson

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The Israelites that were sent into multitudinous battles were not suicidal. Jehovah assigned them as Executioners and Cleansers of the Promised Land. He showed his power through them and removed his power from them as some sort of object lesson.

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King Saul sinned presumptuously against Jehovah multiple times. He was rejected by God and “a bad spirit from Jehovah terrorized him”.  Having withdrawn his spirit from Saul, Jehovah made it possible for a bad spirit to gain possession of him.  (1 Samuel 16:14–23)

In this demonized state, King Saul became murderous toward faithful David. (1 Samuel 23-27)

Saul turn to spiritism (1 Samuel 29:3) A transgression worthy of death (Leviticus 20:6)

When Saul chose to end his death by suicide, no one could say that he had Jehovah’s favor.

Source: Insight Book Saul

[Allen Smith]

Just now, Anna said:

A person committing suicide is not thinking rationally.

Perhaps in some cases. Mentally illness or not. God will make that distinction. What we can't say, What will God do when judging a person. You and @Pudgy are animate to affirm, suicide is not a sin, when scripture says otherwise.

[Pudgy]

You are overthinking this, AmidstheRoses.

Did Sampson kill himself … yes or no?

He did.

That’s EXACTLY the definition of suicide.

All else is backstory. 

[Anna]

3 minutes ago, Allen Smith said:

You and @Pudgy are animate to affirm, suicide is not a sin, when scripture says otherwise

I really don't see the point of discussing whether suicide is a sin or not. 

[Anna]

2 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Did Sampson kill himself … yes or no?

Could one argue that the pillars killed him?

[Allen Smith]

7 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Tell me exactly WHAT about my statement is not true!

(John 18:9) 9 This was to fulfill what he had said: “Of those whom you have given me, I have not lost a single one.. . .
 

How long did you say you were a witness? 

[Pudgy]

1 minute ago, Anna said:

I really don't see the point of discussing whether suicide is a sin or not. 

For me, it’s an exercise in “…. Not going beyond the things that are written …”

[Allen Smith]

3 minutes ago, Anna said:

I really don't see the point of discussing whether suicide is a sin or not. 

Then why argue about it. Why bring it up in the affirm if you are not willing to listen to scripture.

[Allen Smith]

I think this type of mentality, should stay in the closed forum. The public doesn't need to see JW's, discredit the bible.

[Pudgy]

Your logic resembles the woman who believed her dog was in Heaven, because Jesus said “… after I leave wolves will enter in among the flock”, because dogs came from wolves.

[Pudgy]

“The public” doesn’t’ care squat.

….. and they don’t come here.

Faulty arguments (SURPRISE!) on both counts.

[Allen Smith]

11 minutes ago, Anna said:

I really don't see the point of discussing whether suicide is a sin or not. 

Then consider this example an ask yourself. How many sins did this person commit before considering suicide?

You and @Pudgy aren't seeing the full picture of what scripture relates.

*** wp16 No. 1 p. 8 Give Me Just One Year of Peace and Happiness ***
When I was 15 years old, my mother encouraged me to get out of the house and make some friends. So I began to leave home for longer and longer periods of time. Soon I fell into bad company. One day a man, who seemed friendly, approached me. He offered me drugs, which I took because I wanted to appear grown-up. I was quickly drawn into an underworld of drugs and immorality. On many occasions, I was violated sexually. Life became unimportant to me; I did not care if I lived or died. I was desperately lonely. At age 16, I attempted suicide by drinking a bottle of whiskey and jumping into a lake. I wound up in a coma for three days.