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[Moise Racette]

On 12/31/2022 at 11:39 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

and he just blows it off for the trash-talk it is.

Hmm! How many times did you and other posters say, That Allan has been kicked out because of you people? Yet, you call it trash talk, and you remain here. Does that make sense to anyone, if he was accepting the challenge of that trash talk, and he got kicked out? What's the difference between you people's insults and that person?

Not only do you contradict yourself, but you and others complain about how many accounts that "Allan" has had to make, while you people seem to be free and clear. 

It looks like, these 2 forums are run by a handful of people that protect themselves at all cost. No moral standing by some, not all, just saying.

Does this mean that person got kicked out again? 😅😅

[Pudgy]

If you want to have a happy life, and most people do, it seems, Moise, that your being here does not contribute to that.

I would recommend that during periods of depression and loneliness that you take up Skydiving.

I did, and I guarantee it will work.

If the parachute doesn’t open, your next jump is FREE!

[Anna]

20 minutes ago, Moise Racette said:

Does this mean that person got kicked out again? 😅😅

No, it just means he's Noisy Raclette now.

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

Hmm! How many times did you and other posters say, That Allan has been kicked out because of you people? Yet, you call it trash talk, and you remain here. Does that make sense to anyone, if he was accepting the challenge of that trash talk, and he got kicked out? What's the difference between you people's insults and that person?

Not only do you contradict yourself, but you and others complain about how many accounts that "Allan" has had to make, while you people seem to be free and clear. 

It looks like, these 2 forums are run by a handful of people that protect themselves at all cost. No moral standing by some, not all, just saying.

Does this mean that person got kicked out again? 😅😅

Good point. Whatever it is.

[Moise Racette]

2 hours ago, Anna said:

No, it just means he's Noisy Raclette now.

Shouldn't it be Noisy, Anna?  😁 But, given the response from the poster, it must be all true. Isn't it "Thinking." 😄

[Moise Racette]

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

If you want to have a happy life, and most people do, it seems, Moise, that your being here does not contribute to that.

True, I want to contribute to scriptural intelligence, not nonsense. I'm glad the poster can see the difference. I'd rather debate "witness" with that poster's views than get caught up in immoral banter.

Not only that, but I just wish that poster would stop blaming an Org, and defend that poster's interpretation of scripture from the poster's own viewpoint and logic.

[Pudgy]

In a religious debate forum, you can’t just be unhappy with the other person‘s viewpoint, you have to destroy it with Facts and sound reasoning and reason and logic so that it is obvious to everybody. 

The technique you use is quite contrary to that. You ask rhetorical questions of similar things or try to throw the burden on the personality and character of the poster.

Or questions to answer would require a 30 page thesis, like “How is that different from the way Adolph Hitler would do it?”

This never works, because it’s not using fact, reality based, independently verifiable reason and logic, it is using obfuscation and redirection.

Agenda driven arguments almost always fail unless they’re based on solid, verifiable and clearly elucidated truth.

That is why on this earth there may be At any one time 2 billion Wally McNasty’s, and their arguments will fail if challenged.

If I am in a knock down, drag out religious debate, (and I’ got my bloody wounds  in  knock down, drag out religious debate in IRC many years ago, and had my ass handed back to me on a platter for irrational debate), I realized that you CAN have faulty logic handed back to you on a plate like steaming entrails.

Very painfull to realize your cherished agenda is wrong.

“Stuff Happens”

YOU NEVER WIN A WAR BY WHINING ABOUT IT.

[Amidstheroses]

32 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

If I am in a knock down, drag out religious debate, (and I’ got my bloody wounds  in  knock down, drag out religious debate in IRC many years ago, and had my ass handed back to me on a platter for irrational debate), I realized that you CAN have faulty logic handed back to you on a plate like steaming entrails.

Doesn’t sound Christlike to me…

“The one who loves God should be loving his brother also.”—1 John 4:21

*** w68 10/1 p.592 ***

What, though, is involved in loving fellow Christians? What is a proper relationship with them? How should we view our association with one another in the Christian congregation?
The worldly view often is to seek friends or associates on the basis of what they can do to enhance one’s prestige and image. It is common for worldly persons to consider themselves superior or more important than others. Many times their attitude is to use others, to cheat or tread on them before others can do the same to them. But how different is the balanced Christian view!

Note the inspired admonition of God’s Word: Do “nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with lowliness of mind considering that the others are superior to you, keeping an eye, not in personal interest upon just your own matters, but also in personal interest upon those of the others. Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, . . . emptied himself and took a slave’s form.”—Phil. 2:2-7.

 

[Pudgy]

1 hour ago, Moise Racette said:

, …. but I just wish that poster would stop blaming an Org, and defend that poster's interpretation of scripture from the poster's own viewpoint and logic.

Your wish is senseless. I have no agenda.

I am not debating anyones’ viewpoint BUT MY OWN, which when I get new facts, will change.

About 11 years ago I caught myself saying in discussions about Superman “Superman said this” or “Superman did that…”, or “Kal-El did this or that”, etc. with others who were doing the same thing, and  realized I was starting to think in patterns of “Well, you know, perhaps the Neutrinos from our Sun gave Superman his super powers ….”.

Since then I always in a debate about fantasies start out  specifying that we are debating fictional ideas.  “ The CHARACTER Superman had a dog named Krypto, etc.”

There is even an error in that last sentence, but it one point it all becomes too cumbersome.

Abjuring agenda driven thinking is hard work.

 

[Pudgy]

43 minutes ago, Amidstheroses said:

Doesn’t sound Christlike to me…

“The one who loves God should be loving his brother also.”—1 John 4:21.

*** w68 10/1 p.592 ***

What, though, is involved in loving fellow Christians? What is a proper relationship with them? How should we view our association with one another in the Christian congregation?
The worldly view often is to seek friends or associates on the basis of what they can do to enhance one’s prestige and image. It is common for worldly persons to consider themselves superior or more important than others. Many times their attitude is to use others, to cheat or tread on them before others can do the same to them. But how different is the balanced Christian view!

Note the inspired admonition of God’s Word: Do “nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with lowliness of mind considering that the others are superior to you, keeping an eye, not in personal interest upon just your own matters, but also in personal interest upon those of the others. Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, . . . emptied himself and took a slave’s form.”—Phil. 2:2-7.

 

I fully agree.

But is it kindness to allow a brother in your home who spits on you and the other guests, taking advantage of the scriptural counsel exercised by others to ignore it themself?

I think not.

Three years ago  I took a relative into my home to live rent free after her eviction, and as I sat in a chair she chewed me out for 2-1/2 hours about things she didn’t like. I even got 10 minutes of how I was so smug, not reacting to her complaints.

She thought because I loved her she had an inalienable RIGHT to be there.

I gave her three days to find another place and leave. She refused to go. I had a police officer explain it to her. 

All you have quoted is completely valid, Amidtheroses, but there is more to everything than just that …. usually.

 

[Amidstheroses]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

All you have quoted is completely valid, Amidtheroses, but there is more to everything than just that …. usually.

I’m with you on that ungrateful relative situation! Too many times I, also, have taken a ‘down and out’ woman into my home, only to be shocked at how they take advantage of it or have standards that I can’t handle in my home.

We all have our strengths, weaknesses, idiosyncrasies. You rather remind of “the Sons of Thunder” whom Jesus chose to be among the 12: James & John.

*** Insight, Vol. 2, p.91 ***

“Early in their ministry as apostles, Jesus gave the surname Boanerges (meaning “Sons of Thunder”) to John and his brother James. (Mr 3:17) This title certainly does not denote any soft sentimentality or lack of vigor but, rather, dynamism of personality. When a Samaritan village refused to receive Jesus, these “Sons of Thunder” were ready to call down fire from heaven to annihilate its inhabitants. Previously, John had tried to prevent a man from expelling demons in Jesus’ name. Jesus gave reproof and correction in each case.—Lu 9:49-56.

The two brothers on those occasions showed misunderstanding and, to a great extent, lacked the balance and the loving, merciful spirit that they later developed. Nevertheless, on these two occasions the brothers manifested a spirit of loyalty and a decisive, vigorous personality that, channeled in the right direction, made them strong, energetic, faithful witnesses. James died a martyr’s death at the hands of Herod Agrippa I (Ac 12:1, 2), and John endured as a pillar “in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in company with Jesus” as the last living apostle.—Re 1:9.

When James and John apparently got their mother to request that they sit next to Christ in his Kingdom, they demonstrated an ambitious spirit that made the other apostles indignant. But it afforded Jesus a fine opportunity to explain that the one great among them would be the one who served the others. Then he pointed out that even He came to minister and to give his life a ransom for many. (Mt 20:20-28; Mr 10:35-45) However selfish their desire was, the incident reveals their faith in the reality of the Kingdom.“

Plus you provide more laughs than a barrel of monkeys. And don’t we need that in these ‘critical times hard to deal with?!
😱😭🤕🙏   😂😂🤣🤣

[Pudgy]

If seeking Truth is your goal … the rules of debate on how to do that were worked out a thousand years ago.