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1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

The question shouldn’t be, China VS West but how accurate the reports are about organ farms in China or any other country that doesn’t value human life as God intended.

This is a good point. The real issue here is whether reports are accurate or not. To me it never was a question of China vs the West, in a sense of deciding whose side one should take.

It's about recognizing how a propaganda war is the real context of MANY questions about accuracy. Currently, it seems that the people on the offensive are mostly in the West, and the people on the defensive are mostly in China. And it really is about a barrage of questions, not a single one like "organ farms." If the question of Uyghurs wasn't there, it would be about Covid19, or currency manipulation, or theft of corporate secrets, or Tibet, or Tiananmen Square, or South China Sea fishing rights, or murderous famines under Mao Zedong. This will invariably morph into Russia and the USSR and opinions about Communism/Marxism/Socialism. Therefore, the idea that ties all these together, imo, is the usual war of words between China and the West. (Of course, this also allows for a certain slipperiness for those who might not wish to deal with problems of propaganda; if one topic gets muddy, one can just throw out another bit, and another bit, and another bit. The effect is supposed to be additive, even if individual bits don't hold up to evidence.)

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I may have mentioned it before, but there is a subtext that the "West" has worked into this type of conversation more often than most people seem to notice. Even in reading some articles while looking for some information on Wikipedia, I noticed a bias in the rejection of footnotes on a couple related topics. I thought, OK, they want better footnotes on a topic about Mao which is fine. And another one on Stalin which is fine, too. But then I noticed that a more blatantly incendiary footnote was right there among them without any question or hint of rejection:

  • Who Killed More: Hitler, Stalin, or Mao? by Ian Johnson

It's not the first time I've seen this injected into conversations. As if the "West" would just love to re-invent Hitler as only the lesser of three evils. The "maidan" and other Nazis in Ukraine have promoted this thinking for years. And under Shinzo Abe in Japan, there has been an obvious push for the complete erasure of the Rape of Nanking, and some of these same history re-writers are apt to push the same Nazi holocaust denial.

But there is also a definite subtext of holocaust denial in the United States that pops up among the same people who promote that Stalin and Mao and Xi are behind actual genocides. In fact if you type in "China surpasses" in Google while removing the economic standings and coronavirus reports, you will start to see "China surpasses Hitler" (regarding extermination of Uyghurs vs Jews).

For that matter, based on a similar "us-vs-them" theme, the US had many media outlets for a while that claimed that China was over-reporting Covid-19 numbers as a scare tactic to get other countries to overspend and overreact, I guess. Then when the US surpassed their numbers, suddenly China became a villain that had vastly under-reported their numbers.

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I am not a 'us versus them' kind of  person because I do not take sides.  I watch only for trends.....  You inadvertently are taking sides because you do not understand subversion..... that I can see in your contributions.

Here is an Indian man seeing exactly the same things in India which are going on in USA.  

I do not think you watch anything I put out on here or read anything I suggest but other people here may be interested to watch this very old video made by an ex-KGB officer.  The tactics of subversion are discussed.  Why fight a war when one can do it better with subversion of culture, identity, morality etc etc. .  America has been subverted and most people  do not have clear lines of MORALITY of right and wrong any more.  Many of their leaders and organizations are so morally compromised but no one asks the questions and longer.  They are politically correct and do not ask the right questions - this is why I say USA have been sleeping for 20 years.

I do not agree with all that he says ... but if you watch long enough (closer to the end) you will start to understand - you will see everything happening with ANTIFA, and general moral breakdown, family breakdown, religious breakdown, media subversion - all this going on in USA right now. ... all the subversion tactics. With foreign money flowing into subversive organizations and churches taken over by immorality and doubt. NGOs operating independent of government with foreign money etc. 

This is why we are leading to Armageddon - no more morality and values in the western countries. Commies such as Russia is using religion for nationalism and china is outright atheist with no morality. Their citizens are fodder which clandestinely can be killed




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What Yuri Bezmenov said about "subversion" being the primary activity of KGB rather than "cloak and dagger" cliche spying fits exactly into the claims about the CIA and KGB in those books by Noam Chomsky and others, that make extended use of official government documents released after so many years of being classified, based of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. "Leaks" are a new source that can bring these ideas more up to date, and checked against claims from other sources, often fringe sources, or otherwise suppressed sources. But even old State Department documents are not to fully trusted, nor are leaks for that matter.

I also noticed that he said that subversion destructive aggressive aimed to destroy the nation or geographical location of your enemy. This is why where there are any conflicts at the borders of a nation, a country like the United States or USSR would take advantage of those conflicts, exaggerate them, try to foment civil unrest or even civil war in those areas where possible, and pump weapons and intelligence to the side that keeps the war most "even" resulting in ongoing deaths on both sides. When the unrest and economic collapse is great enough, the US can sweep in like a white knight and get away with a regime change more suitable to US "interests." A lot of people think that the chaos created around the world is because the US makes so many mistakes with unexpected consequences. In reality, chaos and destruction is the exact goal and the plans are working perfectly.

The fact that a "subverter" can be a journalist (Bezmnenov) or "exchange student" (or even a humanitarian aid organization) is well known on all sides. Chomsky, for example, also speaks of methods of demoralization through taking advantage of the nation's mistakes in education, religion, social life, power structure, labor and employee relations, law and order. Although Chomsky shows how Western powers have also used these goals not just on other nations, but also on their own people, historically and to a greater and greater extent since Kennedy and Reagan. It is quite observable, even though methods have become more sophisticated in some areas, and more blatantly obvious in other areas. The ability of the US government to keep secrets from most people, once so tight and successful up through Kennedy's time, has become nearly impossible after Johnson and Reagan due to the ideological divides among lawmakers, and between elites and the other 95% of the US population. Similar changes have shown up in other Western countries and, we'd have to assume, in many non-Western countries, too.

We could get into the details in another topic, but the most interesting movements in recent decades have been in the areas of American socialism vs privatization.

  • The USA is "socialist" in its education systems for example, so the current head of education must be for school privatization so that more profits can go to individual corporations, textbook makers, etc. (Subversion is easy here because overburdened public schools will attempt experiments that will often result in mistakes, and the higher tax burdens will be felt by poorer neighborhoods, due to the divide between rich neighborhoods who overwhelmingly use private schools, and the poorer ones that depend on thinly stretched tax dollars to cover all their children in public schools.)
  • The post office was "socialist" but moves to take away funding for further privatization to take over have been going on for years. (A generation of subversion by removing funding so that USPS prices go up.)
  • Even the USA's "socialist" armies have turned to privatization for more profits to go to various lobbying corporations and private contractors.
  • The US corporations have successfully lobbied lawmakers to weaken labor unions, using subversion by taking advantage of the mistakes and corruption in some of these unions' leadership. And, as the video shows, the mistakes of strikers and inability to get effective leverage, anyway.
  • The strong push in this country to socialize medicine is fought against by subversion, not just lobbying dollars to subvert the lawmakers, but also by highlighting mistakes and weaknesses of countries with socialized medicine.
  • Socialist "social media" platforms like Facebook and Twitter (and the Internet itself) have been subverted by the controls put into place by elites who wish to use such platforms to collect potential sales data, and even governments who wish to collect personal data for whatever other reasons under the guise of anti-terrorism, crime-fighting, etc.
  • The list goes on and on, including private companies exploiting major network media/news, national parks, preserves, highway toll collection & cleanup, special tax benefits to private companies, etc. Who knows, someday they may even names of private companies on sports arenas!

His views on religion are interesting and might even reveal a bit as to why Russia (China, Korea) and a few smaller nations have looked at proselytizing religions as if they are subversive American political operations, with some even branded as extremist. It's also fairly clear that his views that started out as incrimination of foreign subverters, especially of morals, are really local subversions without much help from the outside. KGB says their only push here was pushing literature and propaganda for "equality." People are not born equal, he says. Not a single word about equality in the Bible he says. Speaking of equality builds a house on sand and creates collapse. This appealed to his [mostly] white, 1984's audience (laughter), and he was able to do some standup comedy.

Funny that he thought these tactics would only work on the USA, and not on the USSR, but by 1989 had fully worked on the USSR to an even greater extent. Just a few short years or so after this speech.

I notice he uses Japan as an example of worker participation in corporate decisions and says it's the opposite in the United States. This is mostly true. Although it was not true of most Japanese companies, in China this is written into the law, and there are punishments for those companies that try to subvert it or defraud workers. In China, there have been several high-profile and low-profile cases of punishments for corruption that defrauds workers.

Anyway, thanks for this video. I had never seen it before. I have some comments on the second half that I may include later.

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Remember: I said I do not agree with all he said regarding the subversion but I watch for TRENDS! Communistic philosophies and subversion tactics are being used to destroy the current system globally (clay humanism) so everyone will want 'peace and security' out of chaos.  The UN is behind much of it supported by billionaire technocrats and corporations. 

China is already using digital algorithms and surveillance, DNA and medical technology to suppress their people and they are doing this with the help of Google and large western corporations.... who are present everywhere.  Billionaire charities  (which are not really charities - but  front organizations gifting money to tech corporations and buying up health organizations, most patents of DNA-altered seeds, DNA-altering medicines, as well as synthetic viruses etc.... ; also gifts to front organizations which further this extreme subversion and chaos) will get many countries to be part of the new world order --- which will be a technocracy. 

UN supports this - part of the plan to save the earth - and control every bit of what people use in terns of energy.  Once everyone is on a digital grid and face recognition you will face rations of food, water, waste allowed, electricity, cars and plane travel will be only for the privileged, etc etc. Every one will be checked for the energy units they use as a person.  Police will not really be needed because all movements will be tracked, all payments and withdrawals monitored by digital surveillance.  Most of the population will become like fodder because AI, algorithm and automated tech will be able to do labor.  People will become units of energy users. technocrats already speak of us as energy-using units.

Science and tech is the new God of this system and I suspect a future science dictatorship will take over which includes digital tracking of everyone and a few more other frighting technologies. As before the flood, I think they will mess with our DNA because there are ample indications of it already.   How far this will go I cannot say - all I know that this is the dreams of a lot of the new leaders and the sick youth of today that already make science a God.

The communistic subversion is part of the plan to create chaos to bring a much tighter control on everyone.  We are already moving in this direction with Corona measures and the destruction of most small businesses - so people lose their independence and become dependent.  Health controls are just part of the DNA-control with databases and other things which are in store for the earth.

The subversion is clear and china atrocities are on-going and a blind eye is turned because this is the mindset of the new leaders to be...... time will show up what is in store.   Even the journalists of today are not trained as in the days I was young.   Their moral values and research capacity is diminished.  There are very few good investigative journalists out there.

 I am sure - if Jehovah does not step in - no life will be saved.  Jehovah will have proved beyond reasonable doubt that at the apex of human development we are a threat to ourselves.  We cannot rule ourselves successfully.

 I  think of Daniel 11.   The god of the fortresses........ everyone will be locked into this highly secure digital system and you will have to obey or be locked out.  If you are in the system you will be protected but only if you comply with the system and its religion.  If you choose a different religion or do not cooperate ...... you will not be able to buy or sell ... or eat. 

It sounds like science fiction - watch programs about high tech and you will start to realize things are moving very fast in a direction we never thought possible.


I see headlines like this every day - how come you do not see them?

A journalist for the Los Angeles Times was detained and expelled from China’s Inner Mongolia while covering a controversial policy aimed at reducing the use of the Mongolian language in education, the outlet reported Friday.


The Los Angeles Times reporter, who was covering a controversial policy aiming to replace Mongolian with Mandarin in the region’s schools, was interrogated, grabbed by the throat and forced into a cell for over four hours before being forced from the region, the LA Times reported.


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15 minutes ago, Arauna said:

China is already using digital algorithms and surveillance, DNA and medical technology to suppress their people and they are doing this with the help of Google and large western corporations.

Or, one could argue that China is already using digital algorithms and surveillance, DNA and medical technology to help their people. Whenever I looked into claims that China was already overusing surveillance, it turned out that these were small-scale experimental attempts to test for useful surveillance technology -- and nothing like the larger-scale use by law-enforcement in Western countries, like the United States. And, I'm not saying that it has not or will not be abused in China. I just found it funny that so many people were anxious to create a fear-mongering scare out of something that was implemented at a much smaller scale than the USA.

And I have not seen evidence for the use of DNA and medical technology to suppress. I suspect this comes from more racist sources who argue that: "Well, they're using medical technology AND they are Chinese, therefore it must be to suppress their people."

On several of your more general points about the ominous direction of technocracy, I agree fully. I have long agreed with the dangers of billionaire charities and philanthropy. This one is harder to explain to most people since "philanthropy" always sounds like such a good thing.

44 minutes ago, Arauna said:

The communistic subversion is part of the plan to create chaos to bring a much tighter control on everyone.  We are already moving in this direction with Corona measures and the destruction of most small businesses - so people lose their independence and become dependent.

Anytime there are big mistakes made and chaos comes to the fore, there will always be people who say, this is Maoist, Marxist, Stalinist, etc. It's the idea of not letting any good crisis go to waste. Besides, Corona was handled very swiftly and efficiently in China so that it did not result in the destruction of most small businesses, or so that people lost their economic independence. If it happens that more Western countries will take advantage of the circumstances and force a trend in that direction, it will not be a reflection of "communistic" suberversion, but should be identified for what it is, instead.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

The subversion is clear and china atrocities are on-going and a blind eye is turned because this is the mindset of the new leaders to be...... time will show up what is in store.

I can give you excellent examples of how the Western media, and Western readers are turning a blind eye to false claims regarding these "ongoing atrocities." I see that you tend to take any defense with respect to the excesses and exaggeration of claims as a complete denial of problems in China. Or that I am saying that China must therefore be dealing with their issues in the most humane way possible. I'm not. What I'm saying is that there is plenty of evidence that the exaggerations are always in the direction of existing propaganda, and that revealing this can bring us to a more reasonable and more probable account of what is going on.

In another post, I'll give you some good examples of this based on the reporting in the Times and recently in FP (ForeignPolicy.com) on the Uyghur situation. By their own words and mistranslations of source material they condemn themselves. As you say about journalists, it's very true . . . and good journalism is being ruined on purpose by the former sources of good journalism.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Their moral values and research capacity is diminished.  There are very few good investigative journalists out there.


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2 hours ago, Arauna said:

I see headlines like this every day - how come you do not see them?

For all I know, I've seen many more of them than you have. But I will happily assume that you have seen more. But very often these stories appear to be a part of an ongoing story that has already been discussed elsewhere. It's just another outcropping of an ongoing feud. And you can't always tell who started it. Even If a story follows a typical line of propaganda that has already been satisfactorily refuted or bolstered elsewhere, then all I can do is assume it is either right, wrong, or in between. (Until I have some time to look further into it.)

Here's how I see that recent version of the newspaper headline discussing the mistreatment of journalists.

I start it with a consideration of a February 2020 story found here https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/19/china-bars-wall-street-journal-reporters-over-derogatory-column

  • China to expel WSJ journalists over 'malicious’ coronavirus column

  • Three journalists told to leave within five days after paper declined to apologise for opinion piece
  • China is expelling three Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reporters from the country, a move with no recent precedent, marking a sharp escalation in pressure on foreign media in the country.

Obviously, some look at this and see: "a sharp escalation" so it sounds very bad and typical of Western media. But I also see the admission that it has no recent precedent. In fact, the article admits:

It has been more than two decades since China directly expelled foreign reporters . . .

That admission is helpful, because they are admitting that I don't need to go back and find a back and forth for years and years like a Hatfield and McCoy feud. Perhaps I can even start from this point in February 2020, just a few months ago. But I also notice that the article admits something else:

  • The expulsions come . . . the day after Washington announced it would tighten controls on Chinese state-owned media operations in America.

So something happened the day before to Chinese media operations in the United States, and China apparently fights back by kicking out 3 journalists. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/18/us-chinese-media-propaganda-state-department

  • US tightens rules on Chinese state media over 'propaganda' concerns

  • State department told five Chinese outlets they would need approval to buy property, and must submit lists of employees
  • The US justice department has already pushed Chinese media outlets to register as foreign agents under separate regulations that require detailed filings of their activities.

And two weeks later, the United States effectively kicks out at least 60 journalists. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/washington-slashes-chinese-journalist-quota

  • Washington slashes Chinese journalist quota after Beijing expels US reporters

  • State department [Pompeo] says decision based on leveling numbers between the countries rather than retaliating over content
  • The United States has slashed by nearly half the number of Chinese nationals allowed to work for their state-run media in the United States, vowing reciprocity as Beijing restricts foreign press.
  • A state department official said that five media outlets, which last month were reclassified by the United States as foreign missions, would be allowed to employ a maximum 100 Chinese nationals as of 13 March, down from around 160 now.
  • Last year the United States issued 425 journalist visas to Chinese citizens, including family members, according to official data.
  • The organization most affected by the order will be the state news agency Xinhua, which will be allowed to keep 59 Chinese staff in the United States, according to a state department official
  • The China Global Television Network will be permitted 30 nationals. The China Daily can have nine Chinese employees and China Radio International will be permitted two.

So now we have a timeline:

  • As of 2020, China hadn't kicked out an American journalist from China in over 20 years. (And this is in spite of the fact that Western sources often admit that some American journalists for major US news/media outlets are simply spies, and I would therefore assume that some Chinese journalists are, too.)
  • Then on February 18, 2020, the United States decided to clamp down on all the major Chinese outlets, especially ones that publish in English, and ask them to file as "foreign agents." (aka, spies). Secretary of State, Pompeo, admits that this will likely result in retaliation. The primary examples of propaganda were that China had emphasized terrorist activities of the Uyghurs and had claimed that HK protesters were armed. (Both of these items of propaganda turned out to be very true, of course. But these truths worked against American propaganda.)
  • Then on February 19, China asks three WSJ journalists to leave China over racist remarks about China in the WSJ. (Of course, if anyone looks more closely, this had been only one of the latest articles of many WSJ articles for YEARS that misrepresented China. But the Coronavirus epidemic had allowed the level of rhetoric and lies about China to rise to a nearly daily occurrence.)
  • Then, two weeks later, around the first of March, the US Government "slashed by nearly half the number of Chinese nationals allowed to work for their state-run media in the United States, vowing reciprocity as Beijing restricts foreign press."
    • An interesting aside should be added here. https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/politics/maria-butina-sentencing/index.html By April, the United States had begun allegedly "torturing" Maria Butina who had pleaded guilty to being a "foreign agent" which in her case meant trying to improve relations between Russia and the United States, by using her enthusiasm for guns and the NRA to get into contact with people in the Republican Party. Butina may very well have been a dangerous foreign agent, but there was no specific accusation of actual improper influence, just influence. It was nothing like the direct levels of influence claimed for Paul Manifort who was in trouble for not registering as a foreign agent in support of Ukraine. The alleged "torture" refers to months of solitary confinement with limited food.
    • Another interesting aside during this time period were claims coming out of Norway, France, Japan, Washington [state], and Italy that these coronovirus pneumonia cases were likely seen as early October and November, more than a month before the first case was seen in China. I have my doubts that this was actually true, but note how this report from NPR comes through qz.com: https://qz.com/1823417/italy-now-key-to-china-coronavirus-origin-propaganda-efforts  :
      • The article in question, published by NPR on March 19, examined the impact of the current pandemic on Italy’s health care system. What caught the attention of people in China, however, was the final line in the report, where an Italian medical expert called Giuseppe Remuzzi said, citing doctors: “They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November… This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China. . . . The NPR article has also been translated by state media outlets including broadcaster CCTV (link in Chinese). Another interview (link in Chinese) Remuzzi did with Italian broadcaster La7 Attualità, in which he said some doctors told him about seeing strange pneumonia cases as early as October, was also translated and published by state-owned TV station CGTN on Weibo, where the video has been viewed more than 7 million times.
  • The United States had a single, simple message about the virus. It was the "China virus." No one was allowed to interfere with that message, and if something came up that did, it had to be blamed on Chinese propaganda. I believe the bigger fears were about the conspiracy that many members the US military had been in Wuhan in October: https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/:
    • WASHINGTON – Less than a month before data shows the first Chinese citizen became ill with coronavirus, nearly 300 members of the U.S. military, Department of Defense, and support personnel attended the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan, China. When the games ended, they returned to at least 219 home bases in 25 states, without ever being screened for possible COVID-19 infection.
    • [The US admits that the US military was there, of course, but the conspiracy could easily morph into the idea that the military TOOK it to Wuhan, not just that the military could have spread it FROM there. I personally don't buy the idea that it was from Italy or the United States military, but I find it odd that China is blamed for taking an interest in these stories.]

You may not agree, but all of this provides more context to me about the report that an LA Times reporter was grabbed by the neck, and detained for four hours, before being sent from Mongolia to Beijing while reporting on a new Mandarin textbook being used Mongolia. I notice that the claim is not clear that the detaining was actually even related directly to the reporting about Mongolia. Also, the original article in the LA Times is not nearly so ominous as all of the repetitions of the issue in other papers. The LA Times shows one of the bilingual signs and discusses, not the supposed outlawing of the Mongolian language, but the fact that China has begun a bilingual program there:


  • Their grandson had participated in a region-wide school boycott, they said, sparked by the sudden news last week that elementary and middle-schoolers across Inner Mongolia — a region . . . twice the size of California . . .  — would begin a program to transition half their classes from Mongolian to Mandarin.

It's a bilingual issue, and we've had protests here in the United States on both sides of bilingual education issues. Whether the reporter was grabbed by the neck and interrogated, and detained for four hours, I can believe it. But I can also believe that a reporter knows how to report a situation in the worst possible way, and make a situation sound like something it wasn't.

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This is an article based on a report by a human rights group called Safeguard Defenders. Every day I see REPORTS  like this (not written by Americans who have a propaganda motive) but according to some people on the forum, all these atrocities are for the 'benefit' of the Chinese people.....  How blind can a person be!

Please NOTE:  this is a REPORT from a human rights group.

Journalists, lawyers etc are the kind of people who are being disappeared.




This following article on YouTube explains agenda 21 and agenda 2030 very superficially but has some good points.  It indicates that we should not take sides with China or the West - why?   They are all part of the future science technocracy which will take over the hegemony of the world. Most of the governments of the world signed up for this in 1992......(176 out of 190 countries). Everything will be monitored - use of food, waste, use of water, electricity, fuel  etc etc. They are doing this under the guise of climate change (climate change is real but they want to secure the future of the earth - for those who are worthy.  They are also using health-security as a reason to monitor everyone and use DNA etc to manipulate humans. The synthetic DNA will change us. 

This reminds me of the mixing of DNA before the flood and how Jehovah stepped in because hybrids cannot produce children.

This has been their dream for a long time but it is now with the advent of mega-databases  that this has become possible.

Watch until the end to get a full understanding.  She just touches on the education system and the 4th industrial revolution...... but it is this 4th industrial revolution which is scary and crazy ... if you want to do more research on this..... and yes it is people who do not believe in god and believe in science for the future. Most of the oligarchs and mega-rich technocrats are involved with this and moving things along the way they want it - as planned.  Using their charity foundations to support mega-corporations, military and pharmaceutical industrial complex to get this completed.  

it is a Dutch website but the content is in English:  


On 9/5/2020 at 1:54 AM, JW Insider said:

it seems that the people on the offensive are mostly in the West, and the people on the defensive are mostly in China.

No - the people on the defensive is the CCP state apparatus.  I feel sorry for the Chinese people under the oppressive regime.  I do not mind if a regime is oppressive - as long as they allow freedom of religion in your own home.  But this is no longer a choice allowed the Chinese people.... which makes them an ally of the King of the North.



another news item from Hong Kong:   Police said that 289 people had been arrested, mostly under suspicion of unlawful assembly. One woman was arrested in the Kowloon district of Yau Ma Tei on charges of assault and spreading pro-independence slogans, the police department said on its Facebook page. It said such slogans are illegal under a newly enacted national security law.

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10 minutes ago, Arauna said:

This is an article based on a report by a human rights group called Safeguard Defenders.

Actually, it's an article by Falun Gong, through one of their primary media arms, The Epoch Times. They started an NGO in 2016 called the Safeguard Defenders to make it look as though independent organizations were making the same claims. Of course, there will be many persons who are adding this claim to the agenda of their own human rights organizations. 

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here is another one for you - but I guess this is also American propaganda:

According to Amnesty International, victims of the Iranian regime's systematic torture include children as young as 10 years old. "[V]ictims were frequently hooded... punched, kicked and flogged; beaten with sticks, rubber hosepipes, knives,... suspended or forced into holding painful stress positions for prolonged periods; deprived of sufficient food and potable water..." (Image source: iStock. Image is illustrative and does not represent any person in the article.)


The Iranian regime has significantly ratcheted up its human rights violations. The United Nations and the European Union, which preach about human rights, completely turn a blind eye to the regime's abuses."


......So we must ignore amnesty international because it is propaganda - depending on the news outlet which takes the time to report on it.  'Tabloid press' does not take the time report on such things.... and with tabloid press I mean most of the media that belongs to one oligarch..... 


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8 minutes ago, Arauna said:

here is another one for you - but I guess this is also American propaganda:

Amnesty International has been caught in promoting much more American propaganda than Human Rights Watch, for example, but this does not mean that any one story is either true or untrue.

For example, the YouTube video you just showed about Agenda 21/2030 relied partly on Sputnik/ANI for presentation of sources that fit the agenda of the interview. One can find all kinds of claims that Russia's Sputnik news, for example, is full of fake news: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_(news_agency)

Lee Stranahan was hired by Sputnik News after his departure from Breitbart News and, according to The Washington Post, he is Sputnik's most visible Trump supporter".[37][38][39][40] In early 2020, at the time of the Impeachment of President Trump, Stanahan stated "the entire impeachment is a lie.”[25] The Washington Post stated that "many Sputnik hosts profess skepticism that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election," in contradiction to the assessment of the US intelligence community.[37]

But that doesn't mean every article is false. It doesn't mean that every article that Falun Gong prints is false. In fact, Falun Gong (Epoch News) must also print many good, true, reasonable articles that the public will agree with, in order for its false and mostly-false articles to be believed. One mistake that Falun Gong made was to once brag about their strong media presence through the Epoch News, and then later decide to be quiet about that connection so it could seem to be quoted as independent. It's the same way that Epoch News personnel have set up a presentation at the UN, and NGO meetings and sites and then called them "independent."

That's similar to the way that you see Adrian Zenz quote articles that were reports that came from Adrian Zenz. He has been caught writing mistranslations to produce fake additions to Chinese reports about Uyghurs and Chinese policy, and then, when those fake reports get picked up by other news media, he will quote those sources to bolster his "conclusions" based on his own fake reports.  People who read Chinese, or even users of Google translate, can see what he has often done. But by mixing it up with bits of truth, and tickling the ears of his listeners, he gets away with it.

BTW, your Agenda 21/2030 video is a well orchestrated interview that might have a lot of things right, and is based on telling us to fear things that we really should fear. But it also pretends that the original UN documents say things that just simply aren't there in those original documents. And those documents are in English!! Almost anyone can detect the fear-mongering agenda.

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Below is a fascinating interview with a woman who knows Tibet and all the rivers, glaciers, forests in the whole area occupied by China.  I found the interview with her very informative right to the end.  She is frustrated because the west pleases China and does not publish anything about the use of water and destruction of forests by China - actua;;y they protect China. 


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