Jehovah's Witnesses, JW.org and Attempted Suicide

[Jack Ryan]

How dare publishers attempt suicide ! Clearly, they should be threatened with being disfellowshipped. Jehovah's congregation needs to be kept clean from people who try to kill themselves.

This is a fork from an earlier thread:

 

[Jack Ryan]

just read the suicide part of the book and it said this:

ATTEMPTED SUICIDE

81. A suicide attempt may be the result of deep despair or major depression.

Elders should deal carefully and compassionately with

such a person. In most cases, a judicial hearing is not required.

—Ps. 88:3, 17, 18; Prov. 15:13; Eccl. 7:7; g 4/14 pp. 6-9.

[Srecko Sostar]

 

On 2/5/2019 at 2:22 PM, Jack Ryan said:

just read the suicide part of the book and it said this:

ATTEMPTED SUICIDE

81. A suicide attempt may be the result of deep despair or major depression.

Elders should deal carefully and compassionately with

such a person. In most cases, a judicial hearing is not required.

—Ps. 88:3, 17, 18; Prov. 15:13; Eccl. 7:7; g 4/14 pp. 6-9.

Judicial hearing ????? Stupid, Idiotic!!!!!

People who have such issue, problems needs Friendly "hearing", NOT Judicial. 

Idiots!! (sorry for my language, but must give emotion on this)

[FelixCA]

I believe the only idiocy here is from the lack of understanding what the Watchtower is attempting to convey. It’s an unfortunate pattern from disfellowshipped members to incite, misunderstandings.

Especially when it comes by someone that threatens suicide. For one, taking something away from God is an offense upon God. Threatening Suicide is an offense against that person’s mental state.

Whatever, mental instability is being dealt with, a person that threatens suicide should be referred to their local mental institution, and have any questionable congregation matters with adequate witnesses continue in absentia.

Being suicidal is a determination of the lack of faith this person ever presented to God himself, and is entirely their own.

Does an accused person get relief or prevent an action, because they threaten suicide, from secular authority, within criminal or civil jurisprudence? Only ignorant people would think so.

[Srecko Sostar]

Suicide in the ancient world did not carry the same negative connotations as it does today. Even bible text nowhere said how suicide is a sin or forbidden by Law. The biblical attitude toward suicide ranges from ambivalence to praise. Never made Judgmental statement against those who done that act of self-destruction. 

-Abimelech came to the tower, and fought against it, and came near to the entrance of the tower to burn it with fire. But a certain woman threw an upper millstone on Abimelech's head, and crushed his skull. Immediately he called to the young man who carried his armor and said to him, “Draw your sword and kill me, so people will not say about me, ‘A woman killed him.’ ” So the young man thrust him through, and he died.

-the counselor Ahithophel hanged himself                                                                                                                                                                                            When Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and went off home to his own city. He set his house in order, and hanged himself; he died and was buried in the tomb of his father.

-Zimri, King of Israel, burned down his house around himself after military defeat.                                                                                                            When Zimri saw that the city was taken, he went into the citadel of the royal palace and set the palace on fire around him. So he died,

-Saul and his armor-bearer                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Then Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, so that these uncircumcised may not come and make sport of me. But his armor-bearer was unwilling, for he was terrified. So Saul took his own sword and fell on it. When his armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died. Thus Saul died; he and his three sons and all his house died together

-Samson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Then Samson prayed to the Lord,“Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.... Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived.

-even Judas suicide is an act of remorse, deep regret. According to JW elders instruction, he gave visible, strong signs of repentance :))      When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood

Some people here looks "funny" with conclusions about suicide and intention to defend WT Company. And all that in the name of God and Bible.

 

[FelixCA]

Once again, the ignorance of not fully understanding scripture by disfellowshipped individuals that can’t comprehend the bible much less secular laws versus the laws of nature.

However, I’m glad the subject has shifted from “threatening” which the Watchtower is speaking of, versus the actual event of suicide.

Ephesians 2:11-22 New International Version (NIV)

Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ

¹¹ Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands) — ¹² remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. ¹³ But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Romans 8:9 New International Version (NIV)

⁹ You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Simple abstract of what is a crime against God. Does this mean Judas will return? Only to those that can’t understand one simple rule of God’s law.

Exodus 20:13 New International Version (NIV)

¹³ “You shall not murder.

Exodus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

¹³ Thou shalt not kill.

Romans 13:9 English Standard Version (ESV)

⁹ For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

I wonder why people don’t consider suicide to be a murder only because it’s self-inflicted. What a strange way to excuse one’s behavior and justify our own action.

John 8:47 New International Version (NIV)

⁴⁷ Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

Therefore, scripture has many things to say about suicide in an indirect way from a killing point of view. A true Christian would fully understand it.

[Jack Ryan]

So the real answer is then.... similar to how sinning elders stay in power....

the key to "The Best Life Ever" is   DON"T GET CAUGHT!!!

Even in suicide....

you'd better be successful at your attempt OR you will be disfellowshipped by the Elder's who will then tell all other JW"s they are not allowed to even pray for you anymore.

once disfellowshipped there is no future resurrection hope for you

 

[Jack Ryan]

Reminder: This topic is about ATTEMPTED SUICIDE. If you want to comment on SUICIDES COMPLETED please see the link in my post above.

[Pudgy]

It is very clear that of the above opinions, bloviates and comments only Srecko Sostar’s have a solid multi-example Scriptural basis.

All else is agenda driven liberal claptrap.