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A new thread on Ukraine was not needed at all. But I wanted to discuss this point of Ukraine "Nazification" in more detail. I think it's much more important to an understanding of what is going on in Ukraine than many people will give it credit.

I thought about avoiding this site [TWNM.org] for political commentary, even though I always find it best to try to write up my musings about any topic, political or otherwise. It's not to convince anyone else, but for some of the following reasons:

  • in order to more easily see if what I understand makes logical sense when I re-read it.
  • to see whether any challenges to my current understanding make better sense.
  • as a kind of reference for myself about what I may have thought about something in the past, especially useful if at some point in the future I come to think of my past views as stupid

To that end I decided to try writing up some of my opinions and ideas about politics on medium.com. I made up an email address for it, and call myself by the name "Geo Politicks" @unpolitick. I don't have a Twitter account or Facebook account, but I might start putting up a few more comments on medium.com. This way, maybe, I can keep comments about politics much shorter over here, where I would prefer to focus more attention on how various political situations effect our brothers and sisters.

Those who don't care to read my longer ramblings (or who might even find them offensive) will be much less likely to visit a link to a blog at medium.com.

At any rate, I just started it on 2/22/2022, and I posted only one article so far. I wrote up two more quick articles yesterday, too, but didn't post them yet.

There is one other point to address, and that is the idea of neutrality. It will definitely be offensive to some here that any discussion of political issues is the same as breaking neutrality. However, I don't think that anyone would argue that it is wrong for a Christian to be against Nazism, and more in favor of stability. Most Christians have good reason to prefer capitalism and/or democracy over communism and socialism, especially when socialist and communist countries prove to be a hindrance to true Christian practice. And there are some nuances to neutrality that are a bit more subtle. For example, if one is quick to accept a report as true even though it was actually intended as propaganda for one side or another of a conflict, then that person has taken sides, usually without even realizing it. Being more informed of the truth or falsehood of a story intended as propaganda can actually make one more neutral, and less likely to be fooled into taking sides. 

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A new thread on Ukraine was not needed at all. But I wanted to discuss this point of Ukraine "Nazification" in more detail. I think it's much more important to an understanding of what is going on in

I agree with you totally - but an opinion does not necessarily express sympathy for one side or the other side.  Most of it is just to find clarity about the background of what is going on.  We are st

It's just my personal opinion, but discussion can help a Christian be informed. A person might think that in order to be neutral, it would mean that we should state that the policies of India in 1948,

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The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is more so a political puppet. Although Ukraine isn't part of NATO and is of the United Nations, Zelenskyy supports NATO in regards to guaranteed security guarantees and military support. Zelenskyy is very Pro-West in regards to ideologies, hence the state of Ukraine, something of which Putin and his allies are not in favor of, and in Putin's case, he stated that such ideology is destroying the West, but what he attested to is Leftism and the Cult ideology that, in his eyes, he sees as a weakness. Him seeing this in Ukraine is among the many things pushed him to take action, it is also the reason as to why even Putin sees him as a puppet.

As for the Nazism part, Volodymyr Zelenskyy himself is Jewish, even having lost family a members in the Holocaust. Although he may not be in favor of it, there are those in Ukraine that hold Neo-Nazi and or extreme Far-Right views, to which leads to some attesting to the fact that the Ukrainian President may have unknowingly having been allied with these persons and or groups, i.e. Serhiy Sternenko. Then you have Azov Battalion, a known Far-Right Neo-Nazi group, and who knows, there might be similar persons or groups in Ukraine, who are now in front of potentially elevating conflict. Putin himself is also pressing on this notation to justify his actions to invade Ukraine prior.

That being said, misleading information is damaging, and as we speak propaganda is spreading like wild fire to get a reaction and other falsehoods to people attesting even nuclear threats. Then the MSM with their silly narratives.

Among many things the focus is on SWIFT, granted if anything is dealt with that will cause an even bigger problem for the US and their allies.

 

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Wars are not just about territory but also about the resources in the territory.  Ukraine is a rich country, not only in wheat but also in Uranium and other resources. The West ruined the country with the corruption they brought into Ukraine. Having good people fired and putting puppets in place. 

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12 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Wars are not just about territory but also about the resources in the territory.  Ukraine is a rich country, not only in wheat but also in Uranium and other resources. The West ruined the country with the corruption they brought into Ukraine. Having good people fired and putting puppets in place. 

Exactly. So if Ukraine, and evidently, Taiwan falls, there will be an insane level of crippling for everyone, even Russia, however, Putin's Ego is in regards to an Empire. Granted as of now it is Ukraine only, it will cause a major issue for many concerning resources, especially in gas and energy.

This is why panic buying started in Ukraine prior to the invasion, and even here, the Prepper Community are preparing themselves. Only a matter of time until panic buying starts again in the West and within the country of US allies.

The thing with SWIFT will prove to be a diabolically huge catalyst for what is to come, especially if there is direct action to Russia, and in regards to SWIFT it can cause someone to coin it as an act of war. Germany didn't comply but Ukraine and UK is pushing the US to take action on something that can start an even bigger conflict.

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33 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Him seeing this in Ukraine is among the many things pushed him to take action, it is also the reason as to why even Putin sees him as a puppet.

It was basically a USA and Western-sponsored coup (regime change) to put Zelensky at the helm. But the previous president was able to get a vote of support for joining NATO just before fleeing office. Not that it was ready to happen because the rest of NATO realized the embarrassment of having such a "nazified" right-wing country in NATO. NATO has to be careful because its charter basically is obsolete and could easily be dismantled on legal grounds if it isn't careful about its actions. After all, it was created to counter the spread of communism, with the agreement for member nations to combine forces to protect "Western" Europe from communism. But if it is too obvious that it is defending Nazis, more nations will get behind the push for dismantle it.

41 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

As for the Nazism part, Volodymyr Zelenskyy himself is Jewish, even having lost family a members in the Holocaust. Although he may not be in favor of it, there are those in Ukraine that hold Neo-Nazi and or extreme Far-Right views, to which leads to some attesting to the fact that the Ukrainian President may have unknowingly having been allied with these persons and or groups, i.e. Serhiy Sternenko.

True. I mention this in the article I put on Medium. Serious commentators will not usually say that Zelensky is complicit with the far right nationalist parties, which can be openly anti-Semitic, right up to top levels in his cabinet, and several members of Parliament. And he is not the only Jewish person in the Ukrainian government. But many Jewish leaders, although not anti-Semitic, have been white supremacists and have tacitly gone along with Nazi ideology and tactics. The laws passed under his leadership and several other factors are worthy of further discussion.

48 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Then you have Azov Battalion, a known Far-Right Neo-Nazi group, and who knows, there might be similar persons or groups in Ukraine, who are now in front of potentially elevating conflict. Putin himself is also pressing on this notation to justify his actions to invade Ukraine prior.

True. But it's a far bigger problem than just the Azov Battalion. I mention in the article that some have tried to deflect from it by associating it with Putin propaganda, but it's a much more widely recognized problem. In fact I'll go ahead and just post the part about the Azov Battalion from that article, next.

Before I do that I just wanted to agree with you and @Arauna about the resource and economic angle. And so right about the SWIFT repercussions.

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Grandma get your gun!

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79-year-old Valentyna Konstantynovska takes part in basic civilian combat training organized by Ukraine’s National Guard amid warnings about Russia possibly invading further into Ukraine. Mariupol (the city near the border with Russia), 2022.

Like a lot of people, I saw repeated reports about 79-year-old great-grandmother, Valentyna Konstantynovska, learning how to shoot the enemy in the event of a Russian invasion, organized by Ukraine’s National Guard.

However, it has been pointed out (by Fox, Vice, etc.) that this “National Guard” is officially wearing a Nazi symbol on their uniform.  And members display other Nazi and Neo-Nazi symbols on their person:

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The Neo-Nazi symbol used by the Azov Regiment who staged the “media event” as picked up by NBC

The yellow swastika-like symbol of the Azov Regiment showed up in the news reports (NBC, MSNBC, etc.). Members of the battalion show themselves to be proud of their Nazi heritage. Some wear additional SS symbols and swastika tattoos. Ukraine is usually presented as “an embattled pro-Western seeker of liberal democracy.” So how did it also become “a haven for fascists and Nazis.”

It is not only “leftists” like Mark Ames, Aaron Maté, and Max Blumenthal, who have reported on this. Writing on “The Bulwark,” Cathy Young, a reporter for Newsday, my local newspaper, includes the following sources where this story is now recognized more generally:

… Seumas Milne in the Guardian, historian Stephen Cohen in the Nation, Max Blumenthal in Salon…

Ahmari’s February 15 column in the American Conservative is ominously titled, “The Nazis Globalist Liberals Prefer To Ignore.”

… Vice ran a piece titled, “Why Is This AK-47-Toting Ukrainian Grandma Being Trained by Neo-Nazis?” [quoting Vice: “the Azov Battalion is a far-right organization with avowed Nazi members and connections to Ukraine’s National Guard.”]

Vice, in fact, was well aware of the Ukrainian connection to Nazis back in 2019.

Quoting from that Vice article:

Hong Kong’s pro-democracy activists were initially welcoming to the burly young Ukrainians who arrived on the front lines of their protests Sunday.

Then they noticed the swastika tattoos.

In photos that swiftly circulated on social media, it was clear the visitors’ political allegiances were radically incompatible with Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement. One of the men had two swastikas tattooed behind his ear, while another had the white power symbols “14 88” tattooed on his shoulders and the initials WPSH (white power, skin head or sieg heil) across his stomach.

The above story by Vice was meant to sound surprising, but it fits a larger pattern of similar stories (for a later time). Therefore, without getting into the reasons they were in Hong Kong for protests in 2019, it might be significant to note that the CIA has historically found that supporting groups with right-wing, nationalist ideologies is usually more effective in producing the necessary levels of “violence” to bring about coups, regime changes and civil wars. The same CIA-sponsored organizations that were caught training Hong Kong protesters had also openly trained Ukrainian protesters.

Of course, Cathy Young, quoted above, and others have tried to minimize the relevance and significance of right-wing ultra-nationalists and Nazis in Ukraine. After all, the president of Ukraine is himself Jewish. Some of the right wing parties in Ukraine have lost relevance since the “coup” in 2014. And many Ukrainians themselves condemned the anti-Semitic, white supremacist speeches during the 2013 and 2014 protests. Some go so far as to say that these ideas about “Nazification” in Ukraine is just “Putin propaganda.”

Still, there is a very real and relevant significance to this idea that Ukraine is often considered a haven for Fascists and Nazis. To help understand how and why, I’ll consider a quick review of major political events related to Ukraine in the next section. I’ll focus on events since 2014, but the roots go back at least to the 1930’s.

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5 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, misleading information is damaging, and as we speak propaganda is spreading like wild fire to get a reaction and other falsehoods to people attesting even nuclear threats.

Understanding some of the misleading information often requires a more detailed understanding of the overall problems. Otherwise anyone who even slightly contradicts the existing narrative in the West will just be seen as a Russo-phile or Putin puppet, etc.

And then there are the American and British leftist voices who just can't stand it when US or UK intelligence services get something right, because their greatest hope (I guess) is to poke fun at the foibles of the West and pretend they knew all along that their own voices were right and big Imperialist/Capitalist voices were always wrong. It's sad and funny to watch some of these Marxists apologize for getting it wrong almost as if they were sure that Putin would only do something that would be completely defensible, or that he would show more morality than the US.  Putin may have had many reasons for doing what he did, but that doesn't mean there is any reason to try to defend him. As usual, leaders like him go well beyond anything that might be considered just and moral, usually to score points for their own nationalism, home politics, personal ego, etc.

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Case in point:

It's not just NATO pushing westward, which was a "line in the sand" that Putin has consistently held against. More directly, it's the Minsk accord(s), as agreed to by Ukraine, Russia, France, US, etc.

In them, the Luhansk and Donetsk regions would be considered part of Ukraine, but would be treated as autonomous regions with their own presidents and autonomous ability to negotiate trade, etc. But right after agreeing to this, the Ukrainian military (using the plausible deniability of its rogue Nazi forces) began bombing Luhanks and Donetsk, including schools, hospitals, bridges, etc. There was no real attempt to control these "rogue" elements. After all, they are represented in parliament and other parts of the Zelensky government. Remember that many Russians are living in these regions, and it was mostly because of the antagonism against Russians that Ukraine was bombing their own regions. This bombing escalated greatly in the days just before Russia responded.

In fact this is what's behind a curious bit of misinformation that immediately went viral, even though it really showed the opposite of what it was intended to show:

Note the claim on this Twitter video:

Although it's heartwrenching, it's a lie. It was actually posted by the mayor of Gorlovka Prikhodko on February 21, well before the invasion. But during one of the horrendous attacks while Ukraine was shelling the Donbas region. It was showing the evacuation of kids from Donbas as Ukrainian troops attacked. If you read Russian (I don't) you can actually tell that this is not Ukraine even from the Russian words on the bus that Ukraine would consider illegal. 

And the journalist who began posting this video under a new, false context and promote it to the tune of tens of thousands of likes? It was one of the same Syrian "white helmet" journalist who got so much Western traction by producing fake videos of supposed poisonous gas attacks to fuel Assad hatred around the world. (Not for nothing, the USA actually still occupies a huge portion of Syria due to the civil war, directly stealing oil from large sections of Syria since that time several years ago, and continues to steal the oil from Syria even today.)

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Just saw a Youtube episode of Jimmy Dore (below) who hits many of the same points that I (and others) have made about Ukraine. A little too defensive of Putin, and too snarky in general, but accurate on most of the points he does present. Some of the best points are about the hypocrisy of the U.S. rhetoric, a point he actually understates.

 

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