THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Witness said:

But, not completely, apparently.  How did Jesus let this practice of a "pagan celebration" that "focuses on pleasures", and "idol worship", slip by for 28 more years?

Was Jesus focused on the gentiles? Or did that get passed to Paul?

[Srecko Sostar]

24 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

The Theology of Jehovah Witnesses was refined dramatically.

According to official statements in WTJWorg publications, they were "Refined"  in 1919 under name Bible Students and "recognized" by Jesus and JHVH as only true organization that was not part of "Babylon the Great". :))

JW members, or in fact GB as Main Ecclesiastical Body for all JW members, draws its inviolable spiritual position from that date. Continue to be persistent, but readers will see that your claims are weak.  

[Dmitar]

16 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

According to official statements in WTJWorg publications, they were "Refined"  in 1919 under name Bible Students and "recognized" by Jesus and JHVH as only true organization that was not part of "Babylon the Great". :))

JW members, or in fact GB as Main Ecclesiastical Body for all JW members, draws its inviolable spiritual position from that date. Continue to be persistent, but readers will see that your claims are weak.

I can understand your frustration and persistence. However, now you're talking about 2 different points, while failing to adequately give proof of your bad report. Which one is giving you trouble? 

If that Ecclesiastical Body as you state drew the "same" spiritual position, explain to the visitor (reader) "why" the Bible Students Association splintered in that year? You talk about claims being weak, disprove that fact. 

[Dmitar]

It does an injustice to the visitors to place both Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses in the same pendulum. That's a bad report even from Jehovah Witnesses themselves.

[Srecko Sostar]

11 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Bible Students splintered

If this scheme is correct, schisms are a normal occurrence in the lives of these Christians. Even more, it started in the 1st century!
The question of schism does not affect the facts set forth before. Try something else, please.  

[JW Insider]

52 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

However, Rutherford himself spoke out loud in an assembly in 1941 stating he was NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and the assembly cheerfully agreed. That fact is recorded but obscured here by individuals that wish to give bad reports.

That sounds like it should have been at the St. Louis assembly. Where does Rutherford say he was NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Dmitar]

24 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

That sounds like it should have been at the St. Louis assembly. Where does Rutherford say he was NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Okay, thank you. When you read the articles correctly. Are you one of those Jehovah Witness giving out a bad report about it? I will not engage in your quarrel. 

[Dmitar]

23 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If this scheme is correct, schisms are a normal occurrence in the lives of these Christians. Even more, it started in the 1st century!
The question of schism does not affect the facts set forth before. Try something else, please.

By Ronald R. Day, Sr.

It is often stated that the Bible Students became Jehovah's Witnesses. And yet, this can misleading since the Bible Students still exist apart from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Further, the majority of Bible Students did not accept Rutherford's "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma. We have been asked for the evidence that the majority of the Bible Students rejected Rutherford's new organization.

 

I will be glad to change the subject on your bad report, whenever you're ready to move on.

[Srecko Sostar]

18 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

By Ronald R. Day, Sr.

It is often stated that the Bible Students became Jehovah's Witnesses.

Without going into the validity of the statement, it can be argued as follows:

1) Some Bible students became Jehovah's Witnesses.
2) Jehovah's Witnesses were created by their separation from Bible students                                                 3) Dissatisfied Bible students formed the Fifth Column and took control of the administration with the intention of changing the name of the movement, in the future, to a new name, Jehovah's Witnesses.

lol

 

[Dmitar]

Bible Student Theology: For Thinking Jehovah's Witnesses

If the "Channel" became cleansed in and after 1919, and was completely cleansed by 1938, and as stated in the Watchtower 1959, page 601, the elective Elders before that time were not mature or theocratic. Why does that channel now go back to the explanation given in 1886? What happened to that "Channel," or its “governing body” from 1919 or 1938 to 1962? Had it or they been tuned to the wrong station?

[Dmitar]

1 minute ago, Srecko Sostar said:

1) Some Bible students became Jehovah's Witnesses.

This would be a bad report for not including the following sentence.

3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

2) Jehovah's Witnesses were created by their separation from Bible students 

Separation was created by differences in theology. However, there were a few separatists that would claim an internal strife.

5 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 3) Dissatisfied Bible students formed the Fifth Column and took control of the administration with the intention of changing the name of the movement, in the future, to a new name, Jehovah's Witnesses.

That was never their intent, since they still call themselves Bible Students. Therefore, your humor falls on you.

[Srecko Sostar]

11 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Separation was created by differences in theology.

Whose theology was accepted by Jesus and YHVH in 1919? The theology of Bible students or theology of Jehovah's Witnesses that, officially, not existed in 1919?