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22 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Incorrect! The Watchtower doesn't make opinions when it comes to scripture and applying it there of. Therefore, twisting words doesn't matter with such an opinionated argument.

In my opinion :)).., WTJWorg do make opinions about Scripture. Otherwise, decades of "clarifications" and "new lights" and changed or modified doctrines would never have happened/occurred ..... recurring error/false doctrines. 

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What they are saying is that the final attack (that prompts Armageddon) is not made up of separate attacks.   I don't know. But regardless who the attacks come from, they are usually becau

WT GB theology, supposedly biblically grounded, and most important, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as GB say, explains why people suffer, why there is great evil in the world, and especially wh

ng @Srecko Sostar You seem to have done some research and some deep thinking.  @Witness You too have done research and deep thinking, but along different lines.  @Anna seems to just be defen

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Quoting @César Chávez . 

"People cannot just claim to be of the anointed, if they haven't lived a solid Christian Life. That would amount to being a "false prophet" that line themselves as the Pharisees did. The Pharisees were looking out for their own interest, NOT Gods.

God has standards that must be kept."

This is so funny. Does he not realise that his GB 'just claim to be' the Faithful and Discreat Slave ? Yet they have sins piled up so high that the world can see them.  God has standards, he says. BUT the GB and it's Org do not keep God's standards. There is so much proof of Child Sexual Abuse in the Org, caused by rules made by the Leaders of the CCJW.  So much proof of lack of love, lack of mercy, lack of understanding by the GB and all in authority in the JW Org, right down to the Elders of the congregations. 

Remember that the GB's Lawyers deliberately tell lies in court rooms. The GB's rules have kept Pedophiles hidden in the CCJW for years. And what has happened to that 20 plus year Data Base that they had hidden > Has it now been destroyed ? Will the new President legalise Pedophilia and the GB get away with all their wicked deeds ? 

The GB are not looking out for God's interests. If you cannot see that then you are deliberately blind. 

I don't think anyone is keeping God's true standards right now, but most of us are not pretending to be the F&DS and not pretending to be Anointed. 



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But @César Chávez you obviously don't think before you write. 

Come on. You say that 'God has standards that must be kept'. And I agree with you, hence i left the CCJW because they were not keeping God's standards. 

As for my personal crusade. That is funny. 

Are you so blind as not to see how your GB and it's Org are being investigated EARTHWIDE. Um, not exactly MY personal crusade then is it ? 

As for being held back. It is JWs that are being held back by a GB that admit to not being inspired, whilst saying they are the F&DS. Um, strange contradiction, but JWs don't see that.  You follow and serve a group of 8 men that are not inspired, but that just guess and tell lies. They make false predictions, just like false prophets of old. 


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On 11/14/2020 at 2:11 PM, Witness said:

Wt says that it is necessary to teach resurrected ones, to bring them to up to speed.  Don’t ask me what that means. 

I now know what it means.  

This video revealed a clip from a talk given by David Splane at an assembly.    @4Jah2me, I transcribed David Splane’s pretend conversation to God's prophets from the past; "as if they (GB) are addressing children", as the video brings out.   

“No Abraham, that child does not need to be circumcised."

“David, you’re not a king anymore.  If you want a glass of water, you’ll have to get up and get it yourself.”

“Samuel, I know you’re grateful to be resurrected, but we don’t offer animal sacrifices anymore. So please, put that knife down and leave that bull alone”

While these three were inspired by God, David Splane is inspired by his own foolishness; just when you think their (GB) stupidity regarding the power of God, could get any worse.

"But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’

24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”  Acts 3:18-26

Psalm 110

Of David. A psalm.

1 The Lord says to my lord:

“Sit at my right hand
    until I make your enemies
    a footstool for your feet.”

1 Cor 15:25; Heb 1:13


Rom 4:6-8 - "Just as David also speaks of the blessing of the person to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 Blessed are those whose lawless acts are forgiven
and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the person
the Lord will never charge with sin."




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15 hours ago, Witness said:

“David, you’re not a king anymore.  If you want a glass of water, you’ll have to get up and get it yourself.”

Who said to David Splane that King David lost his title given by JHVH ??!! 


After King David heard what his namesake said, the reaction was this.

King David ordered his guard: Throw him into prison!  :))


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On 11/20/2020 at 7:35 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Who said to David Splane that King David lost his title given by JHVH ??!! 


After King David heard what his namesake said, the reaction was this.

King David ordered his guard: Throw him into prison!  :))


It is so sad, that these men do not exalt Jesus as David did; but instead, exalt themselves.  (Ps 110:1)   David will always be exalted.  Rev 3:7;5:5; 22:16


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On 11/14/2020 at 12:52 PM, Anna said:

As for the inquiry into CSA, it is usually the intention of the inquiring institution to help establish better policies, to protect children, not to ban or persecute Jehovah's Witnesses. As you know, this involves many other establishments, not just JWs. So I would say this would not be considered an attack. Some of the advice was considered very good advice and JWs have taken that advice on board, as long as it did not go against Bible principles. 

Essentially some of the points I have made before. This is the same thing that a child aid group (which also deals with child abuse prevention and teaching), which explains a bit of my absence, I am a part of have been preaching, they want to deal with the problem itself, not destroy a community to tackle the problem because they know going about child abuse recklessly can result in ill consequence.

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Whilst trying to tackle the problem of child sexual abuse earth wide seems like a good idea, it has to be realised that CSA will not be removed completely in this wicked system of things. Many people 'in the world' do not have a Christian conscience or good intentions, so CSA will continue to happen.  However, if a person believes that they are in the 'true' religion then the best they can hope for is that CSA will be removed from that religion.  That means the leaders and those in authority within that religion MUST HAVE a good Christian conscience, and MUST have good intentions.  Unfortunately it has been proven that the GB of CCJW and many JW Elders do not have either a good Christian conscience or good intentions. 

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