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God is building His spiritual House, which is soon to be completed.   The early Jews received fair warning of this house to come, when Jesus said,  “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.  John 2:19-22

We remember that Jesus said this after seeing the business conducted in the temple by the moneychangers.  He lashed out in anger; and using a ‘whip of cords’ overturned their tables of money, driving both animals and money-changers out of the temple.  In order to worship at the temple, this corrupt commerce of trade had developed.    

And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” 17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”  John 2:16,17

Luke 19:46 reads:   Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called A HOUSE OF PRAYER for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘DEN OF THIEVES.’ ”

The account took place around this time of year, just before the Passover, which was a busy time at the temple and ample opportunity for the Pharisees to take advantage of the people.  They supported high prices to not only exchange foreign currency, but to sell sacrificial offerings of all kinds to those who desired to worship in the temple.  The high priest of the temple, Annas, who held the office with the official high priest Caiaphas, was called by Josephus the historian, “a great hoarder up of money”.  (John 18:13)

As it was, the “chief cornerstone” of the new Temple God had planned to “build”, was largely rejected by Jews and its leaders.  Matt 23:37,38 

The Watchtower Insight in the Scriptures comments on “cornerstone”:

“Paul showed that members of the Christian congregation had been built up “upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone,” in union with whom the whole building harmoniously joined together “is growing into A HOLY TEMPLE for Jehovah,” a place for Him to inhabit by spirit.—

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Who specifically comprise the Christian congregation?    The Insight Book continues:

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 discloses that the stone rejected by the builders would become “the head of the corner” (Heb., roʼsh pin·nahʹ). Jesus quoted and applied this prophecy to himself as “the chief cornerstone” (Gr., ke·pha·leʹ go·niʹas, head of the corner). (
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) Just as the topmost stone of a building is conspicuous, so Jesus Christ is the crowning stone of the Christian congregation OF ANOINTED ONES, which is likened to a SPIRITUAL TEMPLE. Peter also applied 
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 to Christ, showing that he was “the stone” rejected by men but chosen by God to become “the head of the corner.”—
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Is this clear to you, JWs?  Can you see that the anointed “living stones” comprise the Body of Christ who is their Head?  Eph 4:11,12,15; 5:23; To clarify further on Watchtower’s guarded wording, this spiritual temple IS the Temple of God.    1 Pet 2:5-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  

Please notice your “Examining the Scriptures” for today, Friday, April 19th:

“The builders,” the Jewish leaders, rejected the Messiah. Their rejection was far more than just turning their backs on Jesus or refusing to accept him as the Christ. Many Jews rejected him to the point of clamoring for his death. (

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) Yes, they contributed to Jesus’ being killed. If Jesus was rejected and killed, how could he become “the chief cornerstone”? That could come about only by his being resurrected to life again. The apostle Peter spoke of “Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you executed on a stake but whom God raised up from the dead.” (
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. W 17.12 9-10 par. 6-9  

JWs, today’s modern-day Pharisees also do not uphold the chief cornerstone. They do not recognize Jesus as our source of salvation, that he is the only “name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”  Why do I say this? It is because another “cornerstone” has been set in place, and another name for salvation has been devised.   Describing the Hebrew rendition of “cornerstone”, the Insight Book states:

Some translations use “cornerstone(s)” to render a Hebrew word (pin·nahʹ), which carries the basic thought of “corner” but is also used metaphorically for a chief as a ‘corner’ of defense or support, hence for a KEYMAN. Thus, at 

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 certain translations use “cornerstone(s)” (RS; AT; AS), whereas others use “chiefs” (Le) and “leaders” (Mo), agreeing basically with the New World Translation rendering “keymen.” (See also 
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, where the Hebrew is literally “the corner tower(s),” these being pictorial of important or vital men, or chiefs.) Such an application of ‘corner’ to a keyman seems significant in view of the symbolic application of “cornerstone” in Messianic prophecy. 

Yes, Jesus is the “keyman, chief, leader”, Head of his anointed Body, who defends his people when they turn to him DIRECTLY for support. Isa 40:10,11; Dan 12:1; Joel 2:11; John 10:11;1 Pet 5:4; Rev 3:12; 19:11   However, is HE the head of the Watchtower organization as well?  Is HE the High Priest of a corporation when we know he rejected all earthly treasures and power offered to him by Satan? Matt 4:8-10; Heb 7:26; 9:11   

 Absolutely not.

His authority has been seized, specifically over his anointed “living stones”.  They obey whom they physically see – new keymen, new leaders over a new, spiritual “temple” comprised of a congregation of people from all tribes, tongues and nations. Isa 51:23; Luke 18:8; 2 Cor 11:4; 1 Cor 3:11; Rev 13:1,5-8 

These new “chiefs” are as well accepted as the high priest Annas was.  Josephus states - “he increased in glory every day, and this to a great degree, and had obtained the favor and esteem of the citizens in a signal manner”. 

Let’s see what this new spiritual temple is called:

“Today, millions join in true worship, and they are moved from the heart to contribute their “valuable things,” which include their time, energy, and resources in support of JEHOVAH’S GREAT SPIRITUAL TEMPLE. (

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All that has been accomplished for true worship in these last days is tangible evidence of Jehovah’s blessing and Christ’s leadership. WE ARE PART OF A STABLE, SECURE, AND EVERLASTING ORGANIZATION.Wt 17.1029

Scattered among these millions of people are members of God’s priesthood, but barely recognized as belonging to the authentic temple in Christ.  Your “builders” who have raised a “great spiritual temple” or “mountainlike organization” and which looms over all with threats to shun nonconformists, is prophesied to come against the anointed remnant in the last days.  This is the stark, dark reality hidden under its attractive veneer, JWs.  Dan 11:37-39; Rev 20:7-9; Rev 8:8; Zech 4:7,9  

 With human help, Satan has accomplished his great feat, which is to dissolve all knowledge of God’s authentic Temple in Christ. Dan 8:13,24; 7:25; 12:7; Rev 11:1,2  Revelation calls it the dragon’s “Beast from the Sea”; which is directed by a composite “false prophet”/Beast with “two horns”.  Dan 7:7; Rev 13:1,2,11,15 The defining aspect of the Beast from the Sea is its “war” against God’s Temple/sanctuary – against the Temple “stones” that it holds in captivity.  No other worldly organization fulfills this prophesy. Zeph 1:15; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 13:7,8   

By WT leaders’ rejection of God’s authentic spiritual Temple in Christ, they have rejected the “chief cornerstone”, replacing him with themselves as “keymen” who direct a counterfeit priesthood to rule over God’s authentic priests, effectively trampling down their existence.    Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; Rev 13:14,15; 19:20

Refer again to Friday’s “daily text” –

Their rejection was far more than just turning their backs on Jesus or refusing to accept him as the Christ.  Many Jews rejected him to the point of clamoring for his death. (

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) Yes, they contributed to Jesus’ being killed. If Jesus was rejected and killed, how could he become “the chief cornerstone”?

Another “killing” is occurring at the hands of your leaders, JWs; that of the “ambassadors of Christ”. 2 Cor 5:20   For those bold enough to speak truth about the existence of God’s Temple and its only Head, they are “killed”, disfellowshipped by “uncircumcised” elders.   Luke 21:12; John 16:2; Rev 11:7; 13:15; Rom 2:28,29    It is not a matter of ‘just turning their backs’, on anointed who speak truth, but it is a swift judgment of spiritual “death”. Prov 19:6,7; Isa 66:5; Rom 14:4 

For those brave enough to say there is “no other name under heaven by which we must get saved” which is a total rejection of the IDOL, they lose the life they have known for the sake of their Head, Jesus Christ. Matt 5:11; 10:22; 16:25 Many fellow believers in Christ have suffered the same outcome.  Matt 10:39 

JWs, thievery is being committed by your leaders on many fronts. Col 2:8 You, personally, have been robbed of the knowledge of Christ, his priesthood and the Temple of God.  Matt 11:28; John 4:10; Rom 8:16,17,19 

 Under the rule of a “wicked slave”, you have been robbed of each anointed one’s gift given them, to serve the children of God. Mal 2:7; Luke 16:1-3; Matt 24:48-51; 1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:16; Rev 22:17  

You have been robbed of the blessings of priestly sacrifices made to God, that are now replaced with sacrifices to an idol. Dan 8:11,12,38; Ezek 8:5-10   

You now put your faith in an organization, breaking the law of God, which requires giving Him exclusive devotion. Exod 20:5; Isa 42:8; 46:5; Mark 12:29,30; Rev 13:8 

Even though you may speak of God and Jesus Christ, you believe that salvation is obtainable from the organization, as long as you obey the direction of its “keymen”.    Rev 13:4, 11-14

On the “steps” of God’s Temple in the anointed ones, Watchtower leaders have positioned a “marketplace” for their idol, where JWs “buy” spiritual food; bought not only with literal donations, but with physical slavery in order to be privileged to worship there. Matt 6:24; Rom 6:16; Rev 13:16,17  How many times do JWs hear, “what a privilege it is to serve in Jehovah’s organization”?  

Sadly, Christ’s priests are engaging in the same idolatrous worship, robbing themselves not only of the refined gold that Christ offers if they would just open the door, but they will lose their place in the Temple of God.  Rev 2:20; Matt 25:6-13; Dan 11:35; Rev 3:18; Matt 21:42-44    

Please, for any JW reading this, consider these excerpts from Pearl Doxsey’s article, “YHVH’S GENUINE MOUNTAIN”:

Satan has the power to create "mountains" during his present reign over the world (1 John 5:19; Rev 17:9).
"Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory." Matt 4:8

These mountains, include religious ones (Rev 17:9).
Yhwh says that in the time of the end, there is a mountain which must become level ground...IN PREPARATION FOR THE KINGDOM...
[...a mountain which God will destroy; (Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8
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We must be certain that we are not putting our trust in the counterfeit mountain.
(Luke 3:5; Mal 3:1; Rev 14:6,7
; Isa 46:11; Haggai 2:7) (Rev 13:8; 16:2)  

Counterfeit mountain?
Yes.

The scriptures also tell us of a TRUE Mountain which DOES provide shelter and salvation. Survival depends upon the guidance of scripture, to give us the ability to discern the Genuine, from the Counterfeit.

Is the Organization made up of the 144,000
Or,
is its backbone and body almost entirely made up of those who are not even Chosen Ones? Who do you see as representatives of the Organization within your own Congregation?....the anointed "ambassadors" of Christ (2 Cor 5:20; Rom 2:29; 1 Cor 6:2,3
), or spiritual Gentiles (Elders) who have raised themselves up over God's Chosen Priests? (2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1,2; Mark 13:14)   


"Now faith is confidence in what we HOPE FOR and assurance about WHAT WE DO NOT SEE. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, WHOSE ARCHITECT AND BUILDER IS GOD. they were longing for a better country—a HEAVENLY one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for HE HAS PREPARED A CITY for them."  Heb 11:1,2,8,10,16; Rev 21:2   


So...does YHWH have a "mountainlike" Organization?
Yes. An administration of priests, "hand-picked" by God to become heirs of the earth, to the blessing of all Creation.   (Eph 1:9-12; 1 Pet 2:9,10; Rom 8:19; Gal 3:29; Gen 13:14; 28:14; Heb 2:5,16; Rev 22:1,2; Eze 34:27)

JWs, when you observe your Memorial of the New Covenant that Jesus, the fulfilled promise of a seed to the nation of Israel, established with the foundation stones of his anointed Temple, remember that the sealed anointed are also a promise for a seed…  Rom 9:8; Gal 3:7,14,29; 4:28,31,26; Heb 11:26; Isa 61:8 

Pearl Doxsey continues:     

“When that seed arrives, the covenant is fulfilled .  (Rom 8:24,25; Rev 12:1,2,5; 2:26,27)

Those who accept and "listen to" that seed, "bless themselves"  (Jer 12:16; Matt 5:14; 10:40; 1 Tim 4:16; Gen 17:7,19; Luke 1:55)

These will be appointed over all the earth (Gen 28:13,14; 13:14; Ps 2:8; 45:16; Matt 24:46,47; Rev 5:10; 20:6)

Those who persecute and destroy that seed, are in turn, destroyed . (Isa 57:13; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:7; 20:10,14; 2 Thess 2:8)

So you see, the New Covenant/Promise, also becomes fulfilled, and ends . (Mark 14:24; 1 Cor 11:26; Heb 1:6; 10:13; Rev 5:9,10; Eph 1:4-12; Rev 7:4; 14:1)

At that time, the building of GOD’S spiritual house, will be finished. 

 

Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot

“Jew” or “Gentile”?

“End of the New Covenant”

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

What were your arrangements for celebrating the Memorial last night?

I would not “celebrate” the last meal Jesus had with his disciples, leading up to his death.   I would hope you wouldn’t either. 

The Jewish “day” is from sunset to sunset.  Jesus initiated the remembrance of his death and the establishment of the New Covenant,  after sunset when Nisan 13 began -  the day before Passover began.  He also died on that Day of Preparation, when the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover, which would begin after sunset of the day Jesus died. 

Mark 15   “Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.”

John 19:31 - “Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”

 I observed “the Lord’s Evening Meal” on the physical evening of the day  Nisan 13 begins.   You might want to ask your leaders why they commemorate the meal on the wrong date, the day of Passover,  and mislead millions to do so.  Jesus’ death as the sacrificial lamb fulfilled that observance. 

I gather with any anointed ones who desire to do so.   Matt 18:20 - For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."  

 

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11 minutes ago, Witness said:

I would not “celebrate” the last meal Jesus had with his disciples, leading up to his death.   I would hope you wouldn’t either. 

I did. It’s an expression. I didn’t wear a party hat.

13 minutes ago, Witness said:

I gather with any anointed ones who desire to do so. 

Should that not be all of them? How many did you find? Did you observe it in a private home or a designated place of worship?

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4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I did. It’s an expression. I didn’t wear a party hat.

Should that not be all of them? How many did you find? Did you observe it in a private home or a designated place of worship?

It wouldn't include those within the Watchtower. We are in our private homes, but we use skype, facebook video chat, or gmail to link together. Being at various ends of the earth doesn't make it easy, so I am friends of more anointed ones than who may meet in my little group.     Many choose to observe the memorial with their group or by themselves and whom they may invite who are not anointed.  

Once anointed leave the Watchtower, it doesn't mean they are all pursuing truth. This is a war between "kings" - Christ's kings.  Rev 1:5.  A war of "words", either truth or lies, is happening both inside and outside of the Watchtower. Joel 3:14   I believe this is why Jesus said what he did in Matt 18:20.

 

The faithful remnant ("trees") that comes out of the Great Tribulation is small.  Isa 10:17-19; Matt 3:10

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9 hours ago, Witness said:

I would not “celebrate” the last meal Jesus had with his disciples, leading up to his death.   I would hope you wouldn’t either. 

Let me revisit this. 

Why would it be wrong to say ‘celebrate?’ It exactly fits. 

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Christ bestowed the greatest gift that can be given and he willingly offered his life in sacrifice so as to do it. Yes, of course it is proper to say ‘celebrate.’ 

Should I have said ‘Be kind to yourself, Lord. You will not have this destiny at all?’

Not to be mean, because you were not to me, but this smacks of a certain false piety to me, a certain sanctimoniousness, and a certain eagerness to harp over trifles. There is nothing wrong with the term so that you must correct it.

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58 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Not to be mean, because you were not to me, but this smacks of a certain false piety to me, a certain sanctimoniousness, and a certain eagerness to harp over trifles. There is nothing wrong with the term so that you must correct it

If I was going to make that big of a deal out of it, I would have mentioned it in my last comment, right?  I let it drop.  I "observed" the Memorial of Christ's death.  Call it what you like, but when I consider what walking in the footsteps of Christ is all about, it is not only joy, but great sacrifice.  Satan does not make it easy. The word "celebrate" as I have used it, does not fit my circumstance, but maybe it does yours. 

 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”  “We can,” they answered.  Matt 20:22

Saying that and living it, are two different things.

 "And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.  To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen."  1 Pet 5:10,11

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.  1 Pet 2:21

It is not false piety to work out one's salvation in fear and trembling.  Phil 2:12  It is a responsibility and eager desire to please God and one's Master.   

 Satan tests each anointed one just as he tested Christ.  

 

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This made me curious and i went on jworglibrary to find something with word "celebrate" about Last Supper. Here is just one article that not using such terminology, but who knows, perhaps some other did.

Why Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Observe the Lord’s Supper Differently From the Way Other Religions Do? - source: 

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our observance ....showing our gratitude..... to commemorate........Jesus said: “Keep doing this in remembrance of me,”........When Jehovah’s Witnesses observe the Lord’s Evening Meal

 

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On 4/19/2019 at 4:53 PM, Witness said:

By WT leaders’ rejection of God’s authentic spiritual Temple in Christ, they have rejected the “chief cornerstone”, replacing him with themselves as “keymen” who direct a counterfeit priesthood to rule over God’s authentic priests, effectively trampling down their existence.    

Specifically, what would you change were it in your power to do so?

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Specifically, what would you change were it in your power to do so?

I believe you have asked me this before, and I wonder why you ask again.   

I would pray for the power to open all eyes of those who revere the organization. Rev 13:4  I would pray for the power to open all hearts to love and serve only the Father and the Son, not men who rule with an iron fist in a velvet glove; that people like yourself would desire to see through the WT glittery veneer and heed Rev 18:4-8, before its too late. Jer 51:6; Matt 22:36-40; (Rev 11:3)

 No human would be given the power to change prophesy, yet the WT leaders are trying very hard to do so.  Dan 7:25; 2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Thess 5:3  I would never ask for such a thing.  Rev 1:3; 22:18,19

 

Of course, the power to read hearts is the Father's.  The power to save righteous-hearted ones, is Christ.  

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”  John 10:27-29

 

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I used to do complex calculations for over 40 years for a living, so I have developed a BETTER system of calculating when the Memorial should be observed, even though it is ONLY a tradition as to when we celebrate it now, as we do not celebrate the Passover

... when you see the Jews celebrate Passover, do the Memorial.

....and always keep plenty of red wine and unleavened bread in your bomb shelters.

 

 

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4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Okay, lets suppose I and my posse storm Warwick, round up the GB, and send them packing.

Now what?

 

I did explained what would happen briefly in this related topic, based on your expression.

It is toward the bottom of my comment, beginning:

Fast forward to who will disfellowship the Governing Body.  It will be the organization itself. 

 

 

 

However, I’ll say it again, as straightforward and simply as possible.  Indeed, there will be a posse to come against the Governing Body to oust them. 

If you have ever read any of my posts you would know that I believe the two Beasts of Revelation 13 are the organization (Beast from the Sea) and the governing body (Beast with two horns like a lamb but spoke like a dragon).  Rev 13:1,11

The Beast from the Sea is spirit-directed – “spirit-breathed”.  It is deemed such, by the composite false prophet.  Rev 13:15

This Beast overcomes the anointed ones – “kings of the earth”. (Rev 1:5)   It blasphemes the Temple/sanctuary of God, which is so obvious in recent pages of the Watchtower.

This Beast is directed by the false prophet to…

symbolically “kill” all who do not recognize, worship, adore, it.  Disfellowship them, which is a spiritual "death".  

Because of the many sins of the false prophet that come to light, the Beast from the Sea/organization joins with a symbolic "ten" anointed ones to gets rid of the false prophet/Harlot . Rev 17:12-14

What next?

The organization/Beast will be under a revised ruler-ship of both anointed and elders not anointed.  It will exist for a symbolic “one hour” without the false prophet/governing body.  Rev 17:12,13

After which, John says,

 “And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.” Rev 19:19,20

There are “kings of the earth” on both sides of the Watchtower walls.  Those who have been disfellowshipped for rejecting the Beast’s “mark”/identity, and those who remain inside, submissive to human rule, which is lawlessness.  2 Thess 2:3,4

Will they leave lawlessness and side with Christ in this battle?  Or, will these "kings" love the organization more than God?  More than their appointed Head?  Can you see the sides develop in this spiritual war?  Col 2:8; Eph 6:12

Michael stands up for his people, whose name means, "Who is like God"  Dan 12:1

What is the general tone of the Watchtower?  "Who/what can compare to "Jehovah's organization"...."Who is like the Beast?  Who is able to make war with him?"  Rev 13:4

This is the divisive battle of Armageddon.  It isn't  fought in Satan’s world of ruler-ship while God’s anointed Ambassadors of Christ must obey those who “represent” them - the elder body.  Any who believe this, have been thoroughly deceived.   2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 13:18

Matt 24:15,16

 

Rev 18:4-8 doesn’t apply to those in Christendom, but speaks to the anointed and companions under the Harlot and Beast.   It says, come out of her, MY PEOPLE, God's "Israel".  

MY PEOPLE:  Isa 43:10-13; 1 Pet. 2:9,10; 2 Cor 6:16; Heb 8:10

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Witness said:

@BillyTheKid46 aka Allen Smith.  I'm just wondering why you have @Foreigner click the angry red arrows for you?  I marvel at your game-playing.  

Hi, I also wonder, why @Foreigner giving me so much red arrows too ? ...... and not giving any comments on my post, just downvote reaction :))))) perhaps man only know to read and not to write. Even i can write with my poor English  :))))))) 

Thank you very much, to all who reading my comments and have understanding and patience for my grammar :) 

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It's really quite simple .....

Foreigner hates things that do not agree with his preconceived WDS agenda.    

He doesn't know why .... he just hates because other peoples' comments do not conform to official agenda policy.

THEREFORE, he never makes an intelligent reply, or ANY "down arrow" explanatory reply that I remember..

Although .... I would like to quote Foreigner who does an excellent job when debating some non-Witnesses.

" Quotes:

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. –Dresden James

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease being honest. –Unknown

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth–not starting, and not going all the way.–Buddha"

He cannot battle logic, reason, and common sense with clown car WDS agenda driven fantasy.

It would be like bringing a rubber chicken to a gun fight ....

.... and he knows it!

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Witness said:

@BillyTheKid46 aka Allen Smith.  I'm just wondering why you have @Foreigner click the angry red arrows for you?  I marvel at your game-playing.  

Does that mean that Srecko Sostar, James Thomas Rook Jr, and yourself are one and the same since you get green arrows from these posters, or can it be how dense some people can get by overthinking? If so, I can say well played to you. Should I conclude that Witness aka James Thomas Rook Jr is more appropriate, then? Or how about behaving as sensible adults should be in order.

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9 hours ago, Witness said:

However, I’ll say it again, as straightforward and simply as possible.  Indeed, there will be a posse to come against the Governing Body to oust them. 

Will their rooms at Bethel be turned into public privies?

Was there ever a time when you were happy with how kingdom interests were represented on earth?

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3 hours ago, Hankulan-Tunani said:

Does that mean that Srecko Sostar, James Thomas Rook Jr, and yourself are one and the same since you get green arrows from these posters, or can it be how dense some people can get by overthinking? If so, I can say well played to you. Should I conclude that Witness aka James Thomas Rook Jr is more appropriate, then? Or how about behaving as sensible adults should be in order.

It's not the arrows that matter, whether up or down.  It is consistent honesty and integrity, which the three identities in one, appear to lack.  The arrows help identify the character.  

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57 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Was there ever a time when you were happy with how kingdom interests were represented on earth?

 

When I found truth spoken by an actual “inspired” anointed one.

Mal 3:1-3; Rev 11:1-3; Matt 22:1-4; 25:6-10

 

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19 hours ago, Hankulan-Tunani said:

Does that mean that Srecko Sostar, James Thomas Rook Jr, and yourself are one and the same since you . . . Should I conclude that Witness aka James Thomas Rook Jr is more appropriate, then?

BillyTheKid46 would never say anything like that; he'd say:

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If I thought otherwise, I would say, The Librarian, JWinsider, James, and Tom are one and the same, since your . . .

JWTheologian would say it more like:

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Apr 24, 2017 - Then we must accept that JWinsider, HollyW, Ann O'maly are one and the same person?

Oh, look, the forum still has a few quotes from the original AllenSmith, which is completely different.

On 4/2/2018 at 2:21 PM, AllenSmith said:

I can say that ANNA and JWinsider can be the same person . . .

It was pretty obvious immediately who @Hankulan Tunani was, even a few months ago, well before this persona was just brought back again with a hyphen: @Hankulan-Tunani to continue the same quest.

I'm just letting you know in case you actually believed that all these (and many other) personas are fooling a lot of people. This way you might not feel the need to waste so much of your time trying to differentiate so many different personas. I still vote that we bring back the original Allen Smith with all his past "upvotes," too.

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41 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And when was that?

I'm sure that story is around here somewhere; you'll find it if you dig for it. :)  Better yet, go here.  

    Hello guest!

It's among the comments of others.  

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7 minutes ago, Witness said:

I'm sure that story is around here somewhere; you'll find it if you dig for it. :)  Better yet, go here.  

    Hello guest!

Are you a man? I have always, for reasons that I cannot put my finger on, thought that you were a woman.

This is not at all like the Librarian, (that old hen) who I keep referring to as a woman though I know very well that she is a man. I truly thought that you were a woman.

And you keep dancing around my question: “Was there ever a time when you were happy with how kingdom interests were represented on earth?” Instead, you redirect it to a story of your “reawakening.” 

One does not expect an anointed of God to be so cagey in addressing a believer. Was there ever a time, in your estimation, that those responsible for the New World Translation, Bethel homes,  Watchower publications, and pioneer slips, did it right?

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Are you a man? I have always, for reasons that I cannot put my finger on, thought that you were a woman.

I am a woman.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And you keep dancing around my question: “Was there ever a time when you were happy with how kingdom interests were represented on earth?” 

"Does a bird swoop down to a trap on the ground when no bait is there? Does a trap spring up from the ground if it has not caught anything?"  Amos 3:5

Yes, I was attracted to Watchtower's initial offers of truth; the literal earth to remain forever, with people living in a righteous setting.  

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Was there ever a time, in your estimation, that those responsible for the New World Translation, Bethel homes,  Watchower publications, and pioneer slips, did it right?

I wanted to believe they did it right, since their offer of some truth was appealing.  I put on blinders to block out the hypocrisy, which my husband as an elder,  was very receptive to, and regularly pointed it out.  

 

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

One does not expect an anointed of God to be so cagey in addressing a believer.

When an author does his research, doesn't he usually dig for his facts?  Don't be afraid to go to the link.  You'll recognize my experience.  

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29 minutes ago, Witness said:

When an author does his research, doesn't he usually dig for his facts?  Don't be afraid to go to the link.  You'll recognize my experience.  

I did go to the link, and that’s why I thought that you were a man. The first thing to meet my eye was “Hi everyone....My wife was the first one to call me an apostate.”

If the wife called you an apostate, I figured that must make you a man.

(Uh oh. You do not have one of those types of marriages, do you?)

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2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I was pretty obvious immediately who @Hankulan Tunani was, even a few months ago, well before this persona was just brought back again with a hyphen: @Hankulan-Tunani to continue the same quest.

I'm just letting you know in case you actually believed that all these (and many other) personas are fooling a lot of people. This way you might not feel the need to waste so much of your time trying to differentiate so many different personas. I still vote that we bring back the original Allen Smith with all his past "upvotes," too.

That would conclude by this, that JWinsider, Srecko Sostar, James Thomas Jr, witness, and anyone else you wish to add to this list is one and the same. Am I dealing with children or adults? At least give me that in order to understand. I believe Witness mentioned honesty and integrity. How is this accomplished by this deception? I find it interesting when people do endless fishing, and never catch anything.

Witness made a good observation “The arrows help identify the character” that identified the character of the same person using multiple accounts as you indicate. That means he just exposed the identity of the character of the same person using multiple accounts mentioned above. It appears, every time Foreigner downvotes, Srecko Sostar, and James Thomas Rook Jr come behind and upvote.

I wonder if this is how you contemplate and target people you don’t wish to be on this site. Either way, I find your analogy child’s play. If you are a witness, a little maturity goes a long way. Other than that, just like Witness endless rants of mistaken Christianity, it's a waste of time and bloggers space.

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1 minute ago, Hankulan-Tunani said:

Am I dealing with children or adults? 

Far from condemning Billy for having multiple personas, (if that is the case) I came to regard it as a pretty cool idea, and so I created A Nice Guy, Vic Vomidog, Dr. Adhominem, Top Cat O’Malighan, and a host of others.

I am on the very cusp of creating the immoral woman Ida Ho.

My characters do not upvote or downvote, however. They are all Jehovah’s Witnesses, or at least the product of one of them, and they do not vote.

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

My characters do not upvote or downvote, however. They are all Jehovah’s Witnesses, or at least the product of one of them, and they do not vote.

You have me at a disadvantage. Are you saying James Thomas Rook Jr, JWinsider, Anna aka Comfortmypeople, Melinda, etc. are not Witnesses? They seem to vote regardless. However, like the one called “Witness Persona” has discerned by the votes that are there to show the like or dislike by some of these characters, what is the purpose of having it if you're not going to use it. Is this the reason why? Ex’Witnesses that support their kind.

Is it so farfetched that maybe there are others that are inclined to support those that tell the truth, and not be so absorbed with accepting false stories about the Watchtower and act upon it? That means they have their group of supporters while we have our group of supporters. They need to deal with it and get over it.

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1 hour ago, Hankulan-Tunani said:

Srecko Sostar,

:))))) my name was printed/used so many times recently in the people's comments and that make me wonder; is this braking law - GDPR, nobody asking me, may he use my name in their comments :)))))))))))))))))  

Another topic. About DownVoting. After @Foreigner made few serial downvoting on several comments i have made, that made/caused reaction in me to went on his comments and made my downvote to his comments, even without reading what he said. Just to send him a feeling how it looks like to receive dv symbol without explanation. Stupid and/or childish, i know, but i was "motivated or inspired" to did what i did.

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2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Another topic. About DownVoting. After @Foreigner made few serial downvoting on several comments i have made, that made/caused reaction in me to went on his comments and made my downvote to his comments, even without reading what he said. Just to send him a feeling how it looks like to receive dv symbol without explanation. Stupid and/or childish, i know, but i was "motivated or inspired" to did what i did.

I believe the narrator of this site has given everyone except the one talked about the most, that is not here to defend any allegations is the right of everyone, here. To what extent, only the owner is privileged to know since it's clear he, choices who is to be here. Your motives are your own. You will render an account to God. There is no need to express how stupid or childish your motives are when it's not sincere.  The point is, Witness and JWinsider can use association to think, one person can be many. If True Tom hadn't publicly admitted his alter-persona, I would have never guessed. I won't have bothered with it. That's being the adult in the room.

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12 minutes ago, Hankulan-Tunani said:

Are you saying James Thomas Rook Jr, JWinsider, Anna aka Comfortmypeople, Melinda, etc. are not Witnesses? 

They are all renegade sheep that have bolted from the fold. I am here to lasso them, kick their butts, and make them behave.

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is actually nobody here that is not me. Even you are.

I guess to "Witness" "JWinsider" "Scecko" "James Thomas Rook Jr" you are. You shouldn't have given me away. Sorry for the extension for parallel users, I don't know how to highlight the posters name like you guys. Any personal help is appreciated.

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4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I did go to the link, and that’s why I thought that you were a man. The first thing to meet my eye was “Hi everyone....My wife was the first one to call me an apostate.”

If the wife called you an apostate, I figured that must make you a man.

(Uh oh. You do not have one of those types of marriages, do you?)

I see your confusion.  I didn't write the post, I commented on the post.  

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

turns around and follows a “real inspired anointed one” human being (man). In this person's mind, that real anointed has become that persons God.

Jesus "sends" those whom we are to recognize as speaking his words. Mark 9:37; Matt 10:40 Jesus did not send the Governing Body who easily "kill" their own brothers in Christ who cannot accept their lies. Rev 13:15 I don't follow anyone, but Christ.  I am obedient to his word, but you obviously do not know how the true unity and love of the Body works.  If I love a faithful member of that anointed Body, and work with him or her, this doesn't mean that I view that person as God.  

that there should be no [h]schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.  1 Cor 12:25,26

Your wicked slave has no clue what love is that Christ expect the members of his Body to display toward one another.  

For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous. 1 John 3:11,12

Matt 23:34

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12 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

How do you sleep at night.

Much better, now that I recognize the difference between a wicked slave and one of Christ's faithful slaves.   :)

It must be difficult for you to sleep, knowing you must keep up with all of your ruses.  

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54 minutes ago, Witness said:

It must be difficult for you to sleep, knowing you must keep up with all of your ruses.  

I can’t answer for Billy, but my aliases don’t bother me at all.

Except for Top Cat O’Malighan. I caught fleas from him

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I can’t answer for Billy, but my aliases don’t bother me at all.

Except for Top Cat O’Malighan. I caught fleas from him

The difference is that you admit to your shenanigans.  He deliberately denies them and still his conscious doesn't seem to bother him.  

I don't tolerate lies well at all.

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On 4/23/2019 at 11:00 AM, Witness said:

Jesus "sends" those whom we are to recognize as speaking his words

Only Jehovah’s Witnesses identify with the notion of just a relative few being anointed. How long into the JW faith were you before you feel you were called? How long was it after that before you came to feel the others were doing it all wrong?

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20 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Only Jehovah’s Witnesses identify with the notion of just a relative few being anointed. How long into the JW faith were you before you feel you were called? How long was it after that before you came to feel the others were doing it all wrong?

What did you glean from the link I gave you?

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3 hours ago, Witness said:

What did you glean from the link I gave you?

I gleaned that I ought to ask you the question I just did.

Did you, by any chance, get your anointing before coming to join the Witnesses?

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38 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I gleaned that I ought to ask you the question I just did.

Did you, by any chance, get your anointing before coming to join the Witnesses?

38 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I gleaned that I ought to ask you the question I just did.

Did you, by any chance, get your anointing before coming to join the Witnesses?

It was in the same year that I was studying and was baptized. And what are you doing with all this information?  As if I don't already know 🤨

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14 minutes ago, Witness said:

It was in the same year that I was studying and was baptized. And what are you doing with all this information?  As if I don't already know 🤨

If you do know then you are doing better than I.

Trying to get my head around it, for now. I admit that it makes no sense to me.

You are very critical of the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Is there anything about organization that you like?

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If you do know then you are doing better than I.

Ok, so you’re not writing some e-pamphlet about a crazy anointed woman apostate.  That’s good to hear.  I'll accept that as truth.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You are very critical of the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Is there anything about organization that you like?

What is the value in answering that question?  There are people whom I love inside, and there are some good aspects of “organization”; but, as a whole, the organization does not serve the Father and Jesus properly by not following Jesus’ teachings and God’s commandments fulfilled in him...and I’ve given many reasons here, why this is so.   John 4:23

It is an “operation of error”.    2 Thess 2:3,4,8-12   It is a counterfeit of God's true "organization", the anointed Body of Christ.  Rom 12:3-5; 1 Cor 12:4-31; Eph 4:4-8,11-13; 2:19-22

 

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

Ok, so you’re not writing some e-pamphlet about a crazy anointed woman apostate.  That’s good to hear.  I'll accept that as truth.

I didn’t say that.

However, I have no such plans at present. Interaction on this thread is all that I have in mind right now. 

Maybe something on my own blog as well, but if so, names will be changed.

And possibly a few hundred million flyers printed up and dropped by blimp over major metropolitan areas. 

Other than that, nothing at all.

As you know, I am never mean-spirited. And whenever there are exceptions to that rule, it is only like tribulation that lasts ten days.

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44 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I didn’t say that.

However, I have no such plans at present. Interaction on this thread is all that I have in mind right now. 

Maybe something on my own blog as well, but if so, names will be changed.

And possibly a few hundred million flyers printed up and dropped by blimp over major metropolitan areas. 

Other than that, nothing at all.

As you know, I am never mean-spirited. And whenever there are exceptions to that rule, it is only like tribulation that lasts ten days.

Oh dear.  Watchtower blood is pulsing through your veins.  They also regularly contradict themselves.

The speaker of your “special talk” asks,

“What is the real life?  It’s life everlasting

He quotes from the “What can the Bible teach us” book, page 203:

In the future, we will live forever; not just for 70 or 80 years, we will enjoy everlasting life, in perfect health, peace and happiness in a beautiful paradise. 

This is called bait, to draw new listeners in, get them baptized into the organization and then hit them hard with…

Those misled by Satan the Devil after the millennial Judgment Day is over will follow this invisible chieftain who has just been released by Jehovah God from the abyss for the very purpose of letting him make an attack upon restored mankind.  

    Hello guest!

A “restored mankind”… who would be following God’s ways that He has taught them through the blessings of the Kingdom; everlasting blessings. 

When has God ever sent affliction on His people when they were FOLLOWING His decrees; and that occurring while Satan has authority over the earth? Lev 26:14-16; Deut 6:3; Ps 86:11

If you have a child with a good, obedient heart, who willingly listens and follows your direction, are you going to deceive him with a dangerous fabrication just to see if he disobeys you? Is it not our intention to give our obedient child the best life we can, never wanting to deliberately send him into a trap?

I also must ask you the same question the speaker asked, “why make the “real life” your goal”…if there is a large chance that you will suffer death a thousand years into your “real life”?

All of this is preposterous. Satan is behind this “real life” theory.  Judgment day is now.  If anyone believes it is both, that one is listening to men and not Christ, nor are they obedient to his teachings.

John 12:48; Ps 96:13; 1 Cor 4:5; John 12:31

 

So, dear Tom, what do you think about this? Are we not being judged for everlasting life at this moment?  What does “everlasting”, uninterrupted eternal life mean to you?  Are there exceptions to the rule?

I've seen you mean-spirited, but I didn't count the days.

 

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

I've seen you mean-spirited, but I didn't count the days.

“A patient man am I, down to my fingertips.

The sort who never would,

ever could 

let an insulting remark escape his lips.”

 

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

“A patient man am I, down to my fingertips.

The sort who never would,

ever could 

let an insulting remark escape his lips.”

 

Really? An ordinary man, who desires nothing more than an ordinary chance, 
to live exactly as you like, and do precisely what you want... 
An average man you are, of no eccentric whim, 
Who likes to live your life, free of strife, 
doing whatever you think is best, for you

I do see that in you.

So, will you contemplate and meditate on the questions I asked and get back to me?

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11 minutes ago, Witness said:

to live exactly as you like, and do precisely what you want

Never have I seen anyone so in love with the notion of instructing others, 

who writes a long passage & and subsequently comes back to it, asking what the reader gleaned from it—never for one second doubting his obligation to read it, nor the certainty that the words constitute pearls of wisdom that would bestow light if only...if only...the reader would let himself be molded by them.

who was so ready to regard me as her star pupil when I but asked a few simple questions, and was so crushed to learn that it was not so.

19 minutes ago, Witness said:

So, will you contemplate and meditate on the questions I asked and get back to me?

I’m asking the questions here, ma’m. 

As naturally as the sun rises, you assume the right to hurl the most incendiary charges at faithful men striving mightily and delivering much amidst continual and often unhinged opposition. You become so nasty at times that even @The Librarian (that old hen) has arisen to rebuke you.

And only after a single year in the JW organization! It took but a single year to claim the heavenly calling & to shortly thereafter know that everyone else was doing it wrong & that YOU could instruct the sheep better than they! It’s unbelievable!

I’m asking the questions here.

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55 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And only after a single year in the JW organization! It took but a single year to claim the heavenly calling & to shortly thereafter know that everyone else was doing it wrong & that YOU could instruct the sheep better than they! It’s unbelievable!

You have it all wrong. Yes, I was anointed that first year.  Are you questioning God's reason for anointing me?  I did, for my entire time as a JW.    Please go back to the link I provided you, to understand.  Please, this time read it.  And my last post was not lengthy in comparison to the initial post, keeping your impatience (no, you are not patient when it comes to reading scriptures) in mind.   Shouldn't you make sure you get your facts straight?

55 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I’m asking the questions here, ma’m. 

Yes, you are.  But no one has told me I'm not allowed.  Remember, you were telling me that a "good teacher" uses questions....and doesn't provide the answer.  I await your comment.  

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56 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Never have I seen anyone so in love with the notion of instructing others, 

 Only two people have called me a teacher, (which by the way is a "gift" within the Body of Christ) - Pearl Doxsey, another anointed one, and you.  I, on the other hand, feel very IN-adequate at fulfilling my calling, if indeed, it is as a teacher; always questioning my accuracy in the scriptures and clarity.  I have never boldly told anyone that I was a "teacher" in the Body.   Holy Spirit compels an anointed one to do the Father's will, and in my case, it is to sound the truth and reveal the lies.    Rev 11:1-3; Zech 4:6 

Perhaps, just perhaps there is a little bit of natural inclination to teach, after raising three sons, teaching special needs children and kindergartners.  :)   

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7 hours ago, Witness said:

Perhaps, just perhaps there is a little bit of natural inclination to teach, after raising three sons, teaching special needs children and kindergartners.  :)   

I also worked with people with special needs. It was the most emotionally rewarding job that I have ever had,

    Hello guest!

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I also worked with people with special needs. It was the most emotionally rewarding job that I have ever had,

    Hello guest!

I enjoyed your account, Tom.  A “mentally retarded” individual came into my life when I was four years old.  As I grew older, I became his guardian, saving him from ignorant comments of bullies and searching the alleyways when he would wander off as a free-spirit.  As an adult, he never took to the meetings at the kingdom hall because no one used the sign of the cross.  He did though, love to give unexpected hugs to those who were not afraid of saying hello.  JWs generally gave him a wide berth, pretending that they didn’t see him.  I could never understand why.    Dementia can settle in when those with Downs get older.  His cognitive days are numbered now.

 

This is way off topic, which is about the chief cornerstone of God's Temple.  I noticed that David Splane mentioned Christ as the chief cornerstone in his "promotion" talk, but never explained what it meant.  

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11 hours ago, Witness said:

Are you questioning God's reason for anointing me?  

The question that a more humble person might ask is: “Are you questioning that I am anointed?” The only qualification you have displayed for being anointed is to say that you are. Nice work if you can get it.

Am I questioning it? No. However - and this is key - neither am I confirming it. How would I know? I can only observe that your input does not square very well with what I have come to expect of ones anointed.

Let me tell you of my experience with those who have partaken of the emblems. There were 5 of them in a city congregation I once attended—I almost think 6, though they did not all overlap. This was extremely unusual. It was rare for a congregation to have even one anointed. Were they all truly anointed? Again, how would I know? However, the demeanor of some gave serious pause for thought.

One chugged the wine at a Memorial celebration in defiance of ones who she thought might be doubting her calling. Another one would stare in the most spacey way and instantly made anyone uncomfortable. He was part of a large influx of interconnected young people in the early 70s that came into the truth and he was legendary among them for having had consumed great quantities of LSD. I actually came to like him because he never ever was critical and his response to anyone that was was that they should allow love to smooth it all over, but one could only get so close to him because he weirded everyone out. I think I would be better at it today and I wish I still had the opportunity.

Were these two truly anointed, in your estimation?

There were three others. All began partaking ‘on my watch.’ I liked them all, or at least did at one time. One who used to be very hospitable, ever quick to extend herself for others, in time became so critical of congregation matters that the fifth anointed (I’ll get to her presently) ceased association with her. Another, prior to his partaking, had been appointed an elder, and the C.O, in observing that he met the scriptural qualifications, nonetheless confided to the BOE: “He’s not the most humble person in the world.” 

He used to impress impressionable one’s by stating something or other from history, and if they would question it, he would assert that he knew “because he was an historian.” In time I told him to knock it off. He was a history buff. An “historian” was a recognized, usually published, authority, and the only one who recognized his authority was him. He actually is published now, I am told. He has authored a few apostate books.

Before leaving the congregation (I honestly don’t remember the circumstances of either—only that I was not a part of it) he became such a close associate of the aforementioned anointed (had one ‘recruited’ the other?) that there was talk of immorality—both were married—but to my knowledge that was never proven.

The fifth anointed sister I gave the memorial talk for. Her son said prior, when I asked him for input, that he wanted her heavenly hope to stand out. I said ‘no can do’ but then assured him that he would be happy with the talk, which he was. I observed somewhere along the line that so-and-so gave indication of the heavenly calling and that some of us might scratch our heads and say ‘how can that be?’ My answer: Be there in the new system and then you will find out—we don’t have to know everything.

She had been out of the truth for many years, stumbled over a matter that could be expected to stumble more persons than not. She began partaking soon after being reinstated. She was a family friend, as were the preceding two. If I was given the assignment to rate them, she would have been the closest one to genuine—maybe they all were, or maybe none of them were—but she would have been the closest in my estimation. if you were invited to her home, you knew that you were in for a scriptural discussion, and yet the impression she leant was totally unlike you (this is a little unfair, because I know you only through your posts, whereas I knew her in person) in that she avoided any impression of being full of herself or of instructing. Her demeanor was more like that of a coach. She was fully cooperative with congregational arrangements in every way, unlike the preceding two, but similar to the LSD-imbibing one.

I’ll go one more, from the sister congregation. This was an elderly sister also model in her speech and conduct. Nobody questioned her anointing, though I learned much later to my surprise that her own fleshly sister had her doubts. I don’t want to harp on the following because everyone is capable of saying some dumb and pious thing, but when I asked her to fill in for a Bible study while I was away—it was with the elderly Czech woman who I think I have told @Annaabout, the woman who, in hindsight, probably came to regard me like a grandson, and who faded from the picture just as I was getting married—she responded to an offer of refreshments by quoting Jesus: “My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.” My student kept commenting about this when I returned. “It is theater!” she sputtered.

I throw the experience in because it is in accord with a tendency suspected with anointed persons to come across as pious. Or did it lend support to her sister’s suspicions that hers was not truly genuine? No idea here. But what I have been told and have come to believe about those anointed is that they do not in any way put themselves above others in the congregation, much less talk down to them.

Your move, lady. (I see that you have just answered, so this comment and yours might not have any bearing upon each other)

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Witness said:

He did though, love to give unexpected hugs to those who were not afraid of saying hello.  

Fred, from the group home, would hug complete strangers in public. It was one of his goals (set by others, not by himself) for him to cut it out, but I used to just keep an eye out for him—most people were not offended at all. They could see in a heartbeat his condition, but there were some who did recoil, and these I interceded for.

There is an autistic son of one in the congregation whose care prevents either from attending too much. There are several in the tow of a sister who, along with her husband, takes several in as guardians. Sometimes you see them. Sometimes you don’t. I spend time with them all when they appear, though as you said, most don’t. I probably wouldn’t either if I did not have the background that I wrote of. Perhaps you would not either.

I’ll come back to this subject. You’ve touched some fine memories.

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12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The question that a more humble person might ask is: “Are you questioning that I am anointed?”

I said, "Are you questioning God's reason for anointing me?  I did, for my entire time as a JW."  

As humility goes, I don’t see the difference, since I followed with, "I did"; but I must adjust what I said.  I questioned the anointing by reasoning that it couldn’t be; and eventually repressed the event for the many years I was in the organization.  I appreciate your examples, but I never lived those years as an anointed one.  I don’t know where you intend to place me among your examples.    I didn’t partake, ever.  I was a wallflower, very quiet and obedient to…the leadership, and my responsibilities as a servant’s wife.  After giving one talk on the school, I asked to be only a householder, which I can count only on one hand.  When at the door with another JW, I always asked that they take it.  I preferred to speak one on one with the householder and had no problem in doing so.  Once "awake", things changed.  It was not my intention to follow this course. It is God's.   What I have to say is not about me, as I've made clear before, but about the peril God's "saints" and those with them. are presently in.  Enough of what I've written here should make it clear.   

 

 

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12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Fred, from the group home, would hug complete strangers in public. I

I must add to that, dancing.  We went to a car show once, where Elvis tunes blared from the speakers, his favorite singer.  He danced and sung his way to each car and gained a hundred or so new friends, who hugged him in return. 

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@Witness :Are you questioning God's reason for anointing me? 

14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The question that a more humble person might ask is: “Are you questioning that I am anointed?”

Similar questions in first sight,  but in the same time also two different questions.

But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,

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 a people for special possession,
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 that you should declare abroad the excellencies”
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 of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light - 1. Peter 2:9

WTJWORG quote: Such adopted state brings benefits of freedom from “a spirit of slavery causing fear,” replacing it with the confidence of sons; of hope of a heavenly inheritance assured by the witness of God’s spirit. At the same time these spiritual sons are reminded by their adoption that such position is by God’s undeserved kindness and selection rather than by their inherent right. - 

    Hello guest!

@Witness put in front of you @TrueTomHarley adequate question. How that? By this short Bible verse and WTJWORG explanation, questioning: is/was particular "anointing" of some person true or false, it is out of human power of conclusion.

Tom, you explained your position by saying this:

14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The only qualification you have displayed for being anointed is to say that you are. Nice work if you can get it.

Am I questioning it? No. However - and this is key - neither am I confirming it. How would I know? I can only observe that your input does not square very well with what I have come to expect of ones anointed.

 Well, if i understand correctly, you Tom not put in question Witness claims she is anointed (but also in the same time not confirm it: Am I questioning it? No. However - and this is key - neither am I confirming it.), but you put in question Did God anointed her: How would I know? I believe, very much/strong, how Witness do not need neither not single one or any of your "confirmation" about it :))) 

Reason you provide is: I can only observe that your input does not square very well with what I have come to expect of ones anointed.

I can agree that you, or someone else, may/should has some expectations. We all have some expectations from others, don't we? I guess that you have some expectations from GB too? Or from God himself? Surely, i guess, that you have some doubts about them/that too?! It is normal.

Main point, as i can see, from Witness question Are you questioning God's reason for anointing me? is: Do you, Tom, want to question God's choice of see me to be anointed??

Main point, as i can see, from your question Are you questioning that I am anointed is: Do you, Witness, sure about that you are anointed by God?  

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8 hours ago, Witness said:

I did, for my entire time as a JW."  

I missed that, and you are right. It changes the nature of the comment.

The ol pork chop is right. I do read too fast sometimes & seize upon things that I read too much into. Sorry. 

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9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I can agree that you, or someone else, may/should has some expectations. We all have some expectations from others, don't we? I guess that you have some expectations from GB too? Or from God himself? Surely, i guess, that you have some doubts about them/that too?! It is normal.

This is what baffles me.  Those anointed who rub shoulders with others in the congregation, can be scrutinized for their behavior. Their every action may be watched and judged.  However, concerning the GB, I have not heard of their anointing, ( maybe other people have); but it is assumed that they are because they have taken headship over the anointed Body.  

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11 hours ago, Witness said:

This is what baffles me.  Those anointed who rub shoulders with others in the congregation, can be scrutinized for their behavior. Their every action may be watched and judged.  However, concerning the GB, I have not heard of their anointing, ( maybe other people have); but it is assumed that they are because they have taken headship over the anointed Body.  

What a jumbled, incomplete thought. 

This is what baffles me.  Those anointed who rub shoulders with others in the congregation, can be scrutinized for their behavior, or whether they are really anointed. Their every action may be watched and judged.  However, concerning the GB, I have not heard of their anointing, ( maybe other people have); but it is assumed that they are  anointed because they have taken headship over the anointed Body; thus, It is also assumed that they are highly spiritual, upright men. 

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10 hours ago, Witness said:

What a jumbled, incomplete thought.  ...It is also assumed that they are highly spiritual, upright men. 

It is still jumbled & incomplete. Are we to take from this that men not anointed cannot be highly spiritual & upright? 

10 hours ago, Witness said:

However, concerning the GB, I have not heard of their anointing, ( maybe other people have);

What? How would you hear of it other than whether they have partaken of the emblems? If others have witnessed it, do you doubt their reports? 

Are you seriously suggesting that, in an organization that makes such a big deal about being anointed, the ones taking “control” of the worldwide organization would not partake of the emblems?

And if they have, is there reason to doubt their calling any more than yours? I have never witnessed you partaking, either.

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4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is still jumbled & incomplete. Are we to take from this that men not anointed cannot be highly spiritual & upright? 

What? How would you hear of it other than whether they have partaken of the emblems? If others have witnessed it, do you doubt their reports? 

Are you seriously suggesting that, in an organization that makes such a big deal about being anointed, the ones taking “control” of the worldwide organization would not partake of the emblems?

And if they have, is there reason to doubt their calling any more than yours? I have never witnessed you partaking, either.

I'll try to explain what I mean about who are "highly spiritual men" among the anointed.  

Gerrit Losch, governing body member speaks on JW Broadcast, March 2018: 

“So whom do you trust?  You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus, and the “faithful slave”. 

“This is not to say that the slave is perfect and never makes mistakes, but Jehovah and Jesus trust the imperfect slave who cares for things to the best of his ability AND WITH THE BEST OF MOTIVES.  Shouldn’t we then trust the imperfect slave as well?”

“To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, just before Armageddon the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.

 “Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ COMPLETELY trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?”

The rest of the anointed are  not considered part of the “faithful and discreet slave” as a result of “new light”.   How do you feel after reading this?  Do you trust the “faithful and discreet slave” aka “wicked slave” who believe they are most definitely going to heaven to rule with Christ, WHO WILL NOT  REVEAL THIS DECISION UNTIL HE RETURNS? Can uninspired men be given spiritual insight of their own destiny? Matt 25:21  What gives the GB the confidence to say they will “be taken to heaven”?  Prov 16:18   They have judged themselves as “righteous” and they easily judge their “brothers” under them as possibly not righteous. Rom 14:4

“Do the other sheep need to know the names of all anointed ones still on earth today? No. Why not? Because it is not possible for anyone to know for sure that these ones will get their reward.  Wt 16/1 pp. 20-26

Because of men’s doctrinal change, all anointed are not referred to as “faithful” and “discreet”, which is a twist of scripture to gain power over the anointed ones.  Matt 24:48-51   It has helped put doubts in the anointed mind of their calling, as well as anyone who may know them. 

"So the number includes those who think that they are anointed but are not. For example, some who used to eat the bread and drink the wine later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems and believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven."  WT 1/16

 You must trust the GB, because you trust God and Jesus, but don’t trust any other anointed one as worthy of their “heavenly calling”. 

Only spiritual unstable wicked men relishing power over others would expect us to place our trust in them, as we would trust God and Jesus.  

Who then is "faithful and discreet"?  Who is spiritually stable?  Who receives their "heavenly reward"?  At this time, it appears only to be 8 men in power over Christ's slaves.  To make this claim proves they are head over the anointed congregation.  Only Christ is the Head of his Body and determines one's salvation.  Col 1:18

“A lie is a false statement deliberately presented as being true – a falsehood.  A lie is the opposite of the truth.  Lying involves saying something incorrect to a person who is entitled to know the truth about a matter.  But there is also something called a half-truth.  The bible tells Christians to be honest with each other. Now that you have put away deceit, “speak truth”, wrote the apostle Paul at Eph 4:25.  LIES AND HALF TRUTH UNDERMINE TRUST”  Gerrit Losch

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

Others may have mental or emotional problems and believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven."  WT 1/16

This WTJWORG  "double-edged sword" statement is interesting. 

If GB think how some "others" (not them but "others") members have some mental or emotional problems are problematic to be counted as part of This Particular CLASS, that issue can be solved by some medical examinations and interviews of all who made claim they are anointed. If, after they have been put through a medical test, are Not Positive on Something - whatever the test was looking for - they are healthy :)))

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On 4/27/2019 at 1:18 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,

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 a people for special possession,
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 that you should declare abroad the excellencies”
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 of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light - 1. Peter 2:9

Focus on the purpose of the anointing. They have a lot of work to do, if this verse is any indication. Has the GB been doing that work?

No matter how much one may dislike them, one will not dispute that they have organized a massive worldwide preaching campaign of a unifying message. Have others done the same? There are many faiths that evangelize, but almost always their message ends where the JW message begins: that there is a God who has arranged that our sins be forgiven. Do they “declare abroad the excellencies?” What excellencies? They just declare abroad that he exists. More often than not, they declare that Jesus IS God.

When the GB discusses Revelation and like passages, I get the sense of massive super-human empires battling it out—beasts, women, false prophets, merchants of the earth. It doesn’t mean that the GB is right in every particular, but then, they say as much in the introduction to the Revelation Climax book.

When Witness discusses Revelation and like passages, I get the sense of eavesdropping on a family feud—the “good” anointed redirecting every verse to show out the “bad” anointed have outmaneuvered them, have hogged all the glory, and are living the good life on the backs of the “oppressed” sheep. It gets old.

Really? It’s a little late to be changing horses midstream, methinks. Are we really so very far from the end of this system of things that we can lollygag along and wait for major overhaul of everything? For that matter, does Witness even think that there is an end fast approaching? She has never really offered any specifics on spiritual matters, other than the “bad” anointed have done dirty to the “good” anointed, for which they should be hung high.

Me—I’ve got a good gig going with these guys. I get significant support both spiritually and logistically. Why on earth would I trade that in to side with “renegade anointed” if they are that, who connect with each other via Skype, and who have offered little more than blistering criticism of those who I think are overall doing pretty well?

Witness is frequently imploring me to go back and reread her words so as to give her feedback—what did I “glean” from this or that speech? She suspects I didn’t read her messages thoroughly. It’s a little difficult to partake of a meal when it is doused in vinegar. If she didn’t continually malign those taking the lead she might find me more receptive to her words.

In fact, maybe it is that expectation—that you can douse the meal with vinegar yet still expect it to be savored that makes me wonder if she is not, in her words, “this crazy anointed woman.” I can categorically say that she is not, for if she is crazy, then she is not anointed, and if she is anointed, then she is not crazy. If she is both, then there is reason to think that the new system will be as nutso as this one, and perhaps it is time for me to check out now and join Srecko.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It’s a little difficult to partake of a meal when it is doused in vinegar. If she didn’t continually malign those taking the lead she might find me more receptive to her words.

You really are a good writer.  I mean that sincerely.

Here, is a meal doused with vinegar which your GB has a steady hand at applying, enough to cause a questioning heart to squirm. For the anointed, it should put their teeth on edge.

 

W 02/8/1 “Loyally Submitting to Godly Authority”

Who make up this royal priesthood today? The apostle Peter answers that question in his first inspired letter. To anointed members of the body of Christ, Peter wrote: “You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” (

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) From these words it is clear that, as a group, the anointed footstep followers of Jesus make up this “royal priesthood,” which Peter also called “a holy nation.” They constitute the channel (old news, no longer) that Jehovah uses to provide his people with instruction and spiritual direction.—
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They gave you 1 Pet 2:9 but not 1 Pet 2:5:
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:20-22 describes the “spiritual house” as God’s Temple:

“having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

God is consistent in His ways.  The early temple only provided access to His priests. Ezek 44:6-9 No one was to replace them, no foreigner “uncircumcised” was allowed to enter God’s temple.

When Korah tried to accomplish it, which the article speaks of, he, his comrades and family were killed.  If your leaders were serious about “loyally submitting to God’s authority”, they would not replace God’s priesthood, who are also the sacred Temple…with “foreigners” – the spiritually “uncircumcised” "Gentile" elder body, who also have the power to judge God’s Temple members as “dead”.   Rom 2:28,29; John 16:2; Rev 13:15

This is vinegar poured out on God’s Word. 

“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.”

 Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”

Would God suddenly change His mind about His established decrees concerning His “special possession”?  Or, would Satan try to influence God's priesthood to be ruled under a "lawless" decree obviously not based on scripture?  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2

Mount Zion is built with God’s living stones; not with the elder body, which have built the “temple” of men.  Rev 13:1,2,5-7; 14:1 

"Didn't you banish the priests of the LORD, the descendants of Aaron and the Levites, and make your own priests like the peoples of other lands do? Whoever comes to ordain himself with a young bull and seven rams may become a priest of what are not gods.”  2 Chron 13:9

 

 

Pearl Doxsey - "The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place"  Matt 24:15

 

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On 4/28/2019 at 8:42 PM, Witness said:

Would God suddenly change His mind about His established decrees concerning His “special possession”?

People can partake of the emblems for several reasons. The first to consider is the correct one, from the JW point of view—that one truly has been called to heaven in order to rule with Christ, to be one of the “kings who will rule over the earth.”

But there are other reasons. The Watchtower has suggested that emotional or mental unbalance can play a role, if someone has undergone significant loss or stress. Newness can play a role, if a person has not completely shaken off the church model that all good people go to heaven. Spirit influences can come into play—the “historian” anointed came from a family in known for clairvoyance, and his father (grandfather?) had been a much-in-demand water witch.

What is spiritual disturbance and what is psychological interference? Since the beginning of time, believers of anything have reported strong, even overwhelming, religious experiences. It’s not for me to figure it out. None of the above are going to partake unworthily, for that is a major no-no that all of them would respect. All will truly believe it, even if it is not actually so for some. The trick, then, becomes how to separate the wheat anointed from the chaff anointed so that the spacey LSD brother does not end up running the worldwide organization. 

All things being equal, the present GB members are just as likely as anyone else to be mistaken in their belief that they are anointed. But all things are not equal, and this is why the present arrangement of the GB comprising the slave in its totality is such a good one. They have been tested for decades prior to being invited as a GB members. They have spent a life-time in full-time service to God. Most of them have served in settings more lowly than those of the ones they are later to lead. They have proven their humility and their ability to get along, working shoulder to shoulder with Christians from all backgrounds. It is entirely different from simply partaking in the Boise, Idaho congregation and then expecting that everyone will begin deferring to you on that account. 

(In the event that there are any anointed in the Boise Idaho congregation, rest assured that I just pulled that location out of my hat.)

Those truly anointed over the model that I have come to believe is correct do not mutter that the wicked 8 have stolen their thunder. Their stature in whatever congregation that they are in has not changed. They were never in it for the recognition. They look upon their assignment primarily as a future role. 

For now, they are undergoing training much like Moses underwent after bumping off the Egyptian taskmaster. He thought then that his time of shining brightly as the sun had arrived. It hadn’t. It would arrive in the future, but only if he submitted to the training of the field.

That is how the true anointed can be expected to behave, in my view. Their declaring abroad the excellencies will be in complete cooperation with those now taking the lead in that work—even my LSD spacey anointed one understood that. In my estimation, he thereby meets a major description of anointing more so than the ones who separate and bellyache, yet offer nothing as a substitute. 

Has Witness truly experienced the heavenly calling? Maybe. But let her conduct herself a little bit more dignified than the Democrat pundit constantly complaining that wicked Trump stole the election that should have gone another way. Even in the heavenly assignment—I mean, who can say?—but it seems that there will have to be some delegation of authority. Or will it be an earth carved up into 144000 fiefdoms, with each anointed overseer ever sensitive to his fellow anointed trying to pull rank, trying to demonstrate that they are the greatest. Shouldn’t they be expected to have moved on from that model?

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is entirely different from simply partaking in the Boise, Idaho congregation and then expecting that everyone will begin deferring to you on that account. 

(In the event that there are any anointed in the Boise Idaho congregation, rest assured that I just pulled that location out of my hat.)

Are you sure?  You've mentioned "Idaho" twice now.  Well, almost. 

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Or will it be an earth carved up into 144000 fiefdoms, with each anointed overseer ever sensitive to his fellow anointed trying to pull rank, trying to demonstrate that they are the greatest.

You mean, like the Governing Body, who are assured of their "heavenly hope"?  Paul saw that in his time also.

Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. 7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

8 Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign—and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you!  1 Cor 4:6-8

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15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

All things being equal, the present GB members are just as likely as anyone else to be mistaken in their belief that they are anointed. But all things are not equal, and this is why the present arrangement of the GB comprising the slave in its totality is such a good one. They have been tested for decades prior to being invited as a GB members. They have spent a life-time in full-time service to God. Most of them have served in settings more lowly than those of the ones they are later to lead. They have proven their humility and their ability to get along, working shoulder to shoulder with Christians from all backgrounds.

There are two aspects that an anointed one must face.

As “Ambassadors of Christ”, they are submitted to the same testing by Satan, with the same offers presented to Jesus.

Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded [permission] to sift you like wheat  Luke 22:31

He has control over the world and its influential abilities to mislead all of us.  What are the offers he places before God’s priests?

Here’s one:

Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”  Luke 4:7-5

Authority, and glory; and along with that, the riches that come with it.  From a “high mountain”, Satan showed his dominance over everything that could be seen. From the pinnacle of the “mountainlike organization”, who show their dominance above their brothers?

How would we know if an anointed one “falls” for that offer; falling away from their place in the Temple of God?  (1 Cor 3:16,17)

“Then he brought Him to Jerusalem, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here.” Luke 4:9

Jesus refused the offers and the challenge; and made it clear through his teachings that his kingdom is no part of this world.  This means, no part of commerce, of building an earthly organization, of any aspect of authority over others.  All of those features are sourced in Satan’s domain.

The GB teaches that Jesus and the Father have worldly possessions, called “valuable things”; which to the typical JW, is every perspective that comes with “organization”.  Yet, where did Jesus say our “treasure”, our heart’s desire, should lie?  In Satan’s world? Luke 12:34  If “every good gift and every perfect gift is from above”, coming DOWN from God, why does the GB praise what they have accomplished with their hands in this world?  Why do they say these are gifts from God?  James 1:17 

Can’t you see the contradiction?  Maintaining and building "earthly things" have become the "god of the belly" for WT's leaders.  Phil 3:19  

God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.  Acts 17:24

He dwells in the hearts of the anointed ones.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22

Have these men conquered “the world” as Jesus did?  Or, are they wrapped up in every feature of it, and on securing the life of their kingdom?  What do they spend their day doing?  A large part of it is dealing with lawsuits, investments, building, changing doctrine, and now dealing with repairing Anthony Morris’ perceived “worldly” reputation.  Did Jesus need body guards? Or, did he stand on his own, declaring truth to his people?   It has been documented that Samuel Herd has shown up at a convention with body guards. 

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”  John 18:36

Who was Samuel Herd ready to fight off?  Was he protecting his position over his earthly kingdom?  Was he worried over the safety of his physical life?  Was Jesus?  John 12:25; 6:27

Can you really believe that these “Ambassadors of Christ” have been victorious over rejecting Satan’s worldly offers?  Can they actually say they were successful at it, and personally ‘threw him down’?

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. Rev 12:10

Whose “ambassadors” have they become?  Rev 8:10,11; 13:11

 You say that GB members have each been tested by faithfulness to years of service…to?  God?  Christ?  Or, the worldly organization?  Have their own people persecuted them as Jesus was persecuted?  Have they actually carried the cross (stake) of Christ? 

No. 

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?  Matt 16:24-26

To gain the “whole world” ( an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government”)  is to accept the offer of authority, power and riches that come with the arrangement you have put your trust in.   Can you picture what it is, how excruciatingly difficult it is, to accept the persecuting path of Christ?  Remember, he died because his people wanted him dead. 

Righteous are You, O Lord, when I plead with You;
Yet let me talk with You about Your judgments.
Why does the way of the wicked prosper?
Why are those happy who deal so treacherously?

You have planted them, yes, they have taken root;
They grow, yes, they bear fruit.
You are near in their mouth
But far from their mind
.  Jer 12:1,2

How long has it been that the doctrine of who comprise “faithful and discreet slave” is now down to 8 men?  It was obviously established for their convenience, since they no longer feel obligated (if they ever did) to read any of the hundreds of letters written by anointed ones over the years, who may question their teachings.    Clearly, since Satan’s ministers appear as “ministers of light”, they have sealed themselves as the “wicked slave” of Matt 24:48-51

The persecution suffered by Christ was the result of rejection by his people of that “world”. He warned his disciples that the day would come when they would lose their loved ones on account of his name, on account of truth; that they would be “thrown out of the synagogues” (congregations of “Jews”, Rom 2:28,29). John 16:2; Matt 10:35; Luke 12:53; Matt 5:11,12  The basis? For proclaiming Jesus, the teachings of Christ.  If the GB hasn’t been persecuted has Christ has, then they believe in their heart they are “greater” than Christ.  John 15:20  That appears to be Satan’s same thoughts.  Gen 3:15

The GB has not experienced walking in the path of Christ.  The Beast/organization that the GB say is the UN, spiritually “kills” those who refuse to “worship”, bow down, to its authority over them. Rev 13:15 Will the day come that the UN will accomplish this to the anointed who speak in the name of Jesus?  That day is here, but it is through the “operation of error”/WT, which consistently disfellowships those who follow Christ. Although you speak of Christ as do your leaders,  why would anyone be labeled as “dead” from a disfellowshipping on behalf of the name of Christ?  Rev 12:11 It is for the refusal to revere an organization built in the realm of Satan, and for accepting the truth that Jesus’ kingdom is “no part of this world”. God’s Kingdom is no part of this world. 

"But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.  For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough."  2 Cor 11:3-4

JWs have their "different gospel, and their kingdom, that they physical admire it and work with their hands and donations to support, as their leaders remind to do so; to live up to their dedication to “Jehovah’s organization”. Rev 13:1,2,4,7,8

 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation;

What does that mean to you?

 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”  Luke 17:20-21

Just as you question my anointing as a temple priest in the Kingdom of God, you must question your “ministers of light” and their observable kingdom they have built in Satan’s world.  2 Cor 11:13-15

 

 

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What’s wrong? Ribbon on your typewriter run out of ink?

It is as I’ve said before. When the GB discusses scripture, I get the sense of the woman  battling with the invisible spirit forces.

When Witness discusses scripture, I get the sense of of eavesdropping on a family feud, the black sheep of the family torturing every verse to advance the complaint that the 8 anointed have done them dirty.

There is something very strange about these constant vitriolic complaints with intermittent warnings that ”JWs, this means your lives.” It’s as though the Cabinet official of the Office of Widgets cries that Trump is doing him dirty and expects me to get all worked up over that, as if I have the resources to police these things. 

It may be that when I was asked: ‘do you mean to write a book about this “crazy anointed woman?” I should have said ‘yes’ and let that be the end of it.

 

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4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I get the sense of of eavesdropping on a family feud,

“Family feud” is a crude way to express it, but you are not far off base. 

In Revelation, the “kings of the earth” who battle against each other, are Christ’s anointed kings. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)

 It is a spiritual battle, with spiritual weapons  – truth against lies. 2 Cor 10:3-6; Eph 6:11-17;Rom 12:21

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  Rev 16:13-14

Where are the anointed kings of the earth gathered?  In an organization (beast), under the direction of a false prophet (GB).

“three” – 666

666 – the “Man of Lawlessness”, which is the Beast. 

“The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 

Not only is the Great Tribulation and  Armageddon a spiritual war being fought now  between the “kings of the earth”, it is a time of restoration and cleansing for God’s priests who submit to Christ.  Mal 3:1-3; Matt 17:11; 25:6; Rev 3:8; 11:1-3

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is something very strange about these constant vitriolic complaints with intermittent warnings that ”JWs, this means your lives.”

 For instance, we need to guard against succumbing to apostasy, a sin that would make us unfit to glorify God. (

    Hello guest!
) Let us therefore have nothing to do with apostates or anyone who claims to be a brother but who is dishonoring God. This should be the case even if he is a family member. (
    Hello guest!
) We are not benefited by trying to refute the arguments of apostates or those who are critical of Jehovah’s organization. In fact, it is spiritually dangerous and improper to peruse their information, whether it appears in written form or it is found on the Internet.— WT 12/5/15

Apostates and other deceivers may attack the organization. (Titus 1:10) Even if what they say seems to be true, do not be “quickly shaken from your reason.” (2 Thessalonians 2:2) Follow the advice Paul gave to Timothy: “Continue in the things that you learned,” and remember “from whom you learned them.” (2 Timothy 3:14, 15) Think about all the evidence that proves that you can trust the faithful slave whom Jehovah has used for almost a hundred years now to teach us the truth.Matthew 24:45-47; Hebrews 13:7, 17. Wt 17/7 p. 31,32

"truth"...excluding, "Beliefs Clarified"

Yes it is a battle between the "kings of the earth" who speak either (authentic) truth...or lies.  

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Witness said:

Yes it is a battle between the "kings of the earth" who speak either (authentic) truth...or lies.  

Well...you remind me of a government wonk—a person totally obsessed with the minutia of government that interest most people barely at all. Do you actually have any other beliefs other than that the bad boys have closed you out?

Seriously. I have no idea what you believe on any other subject. You do not speak of anything else, and it may be only an assumption that you stand for many of the things that Jehovah’s Witnesses stand for. Any remark about the worldwide united preaching campaign that the GB has organized and coordinated prompts nothing but derision from you, so that one wonders whether you think proclaiming the kingdom is even a good thing—maybe the kingdom is in our hearts. Any remark about urgency of the last days similarly prompts equal bile from you, so that once again, one wonders whether you think there will even be an end of this system—perhaps you are among those who think that Christianity will yet convert the world. The point is that nobody has any idea what you think other than that the current governing arrangement should be dynamited, even though most JWs think it is doing an overall pretty good job.

Unless I am speaking with those who think that all good people go to heaven—and they are becoming a rarety in these parts—I don’t even mention that a tiny number of humans will one day be part of the heavenly government. Few care. It is not a primary concern for most people. For you it appears to be the ONLY concern, but for most people the hope of everlasting life on earth is what grabs them. That there will be some humans to rule as kings with Christ in heaven is a detail for most people to be filled in later. 

It is just the same regarding human governments. Few people are overly concerned about the intricacies of government. Only the wonks are. You are talking past most of us. Plus, your incessant condemnation of the GB for any problems encountered today gives the impression that you think the Lord’s words are wrong—that without the GB to louse things up the world would embrace Christianity, rather than hate it as it does.

 

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Any remark about the worldwide united preaching campaign that the GB has organized and coordinated prompts nothing but derision from you, so that one wonders whether you think proclaiming the kingdom is even a good thing—maybe the kingdom is in our hearts

Such clarity.  You speak truth - this preaching campaign has been organized by men.  If it was from God, wouldn't you give Him the credit?  One hundred years, that's it.  Before that, the faithful anointed "preached" by following Christ's sole direction for whatever time period they lived in - in "spirit and in truth".  John 4:23,24  

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I don’t even mention that a tiny number of humans will one day be part of the heavenly government. Few care. It is not a primary concern for most people. For you it appears to be the ONLY concern, but for most people the hope of everlasting life on earth is what grabs them. That there will be some humans to rule as kings with Christ in heaven is a detail for most people to be filled in later. 

It is not as small as the organization claims it is.  It is clear that the number “144,000” is symbolic, represented by “24” elders Rev 4:10,11  The word “thousand” in Hebrew specifies a large, innumerable amount. We can’t put a definite amount on “144,000” when this number has deep symbolic meaning; standing primarily as truth.    The completion of God’s Temple requires the last “stones” to be sealed.  Zech 4:9,10

 “New Jerusalem” “coming down out of heaven means the completed Temple of God made of “living stones” will walk among all of Gods children.  And so will Christ.  Rev 21:1-4; Heb 1:6; Gen 28:12; John 1:51 

Will the Kingdom arrive if the Temple is incomplete?  Will any anointed one be sealed into it, if they obey men over Christ? 

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Few people are overly concerned about the intricacies of government. 

Rev 11:1-3:  Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.

The “Gentile” elder body rules over the anointed temple/holy city of God.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4

“ And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

“Two” represents truth.  John 8:17 What do they prophesy about?  The “Gentiles” ruling over/trampling down the anointed priesthood. Matt 24:15  This is their focus, and what they reveal by the power of Holy Spirit.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.  2 Thess 2:8 

It is unfortunate that your eyes are not open to see the sins of God’s people. Many do see it, and have left the organization. Many seek out the authentic Zion.   They understand the warning of Matt 24:15,16 to flee.  They understand that “my people” referred to in Rev 18:4-8 are God’s anointed living stones (Isa 43:10; Hos 2:23; 1 Pet 2:5,9), and recognize God’s wrath is about to be seen.  All who reside within the "city,  are in peril. 

 I suppose you may comprehend something is going on, once the governing body is removed by the organization in an effort to save their reputation as a “clean” organization.  Rev 17:12,13,15-17   Hopefully, all who yearn for truth will have left by then.  

This declaration by the “two witnesses” is the end time preaching given to “Israel”, God’s chosen people, before the Son of Man returns.  Matt 10:23

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Plus, your incessant condemnation of the GB for any problems encountered today gives the impression that you think the Lord’s words are wrong—

 Jesus gave two possible outcomes in his parable of Matt 24:45-51.  His words are never wrong. 

 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Witness said:

Will the Kingdom arrive if the Temple is incomplete?  Will any anointed one be sealed into it, if they obey men over Christ? 

Then the captain went with the officers and brought them without violence, for they feared the people, lest they should be stoned. 27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, 28 saying, “Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!”

29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.   Acts 5:26-29

Jesus is our High Priest, and the Head over His anointed Body of priests.  Scripture does not support their obedience to 8 men pretending to be "faithful and discreet",  or to a "Gentile" army that God has not declared as his priests.  

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40 minutes ago, Witness said:

Such clarity.  You speak truth - this preaching campaign has been organized by men.  If it was from God, wouldn't you give Him the credit? 

How can you be so dense? It can be only willfull.

When you read secularly how early Christians spread their faith far and wide throughout the then-known world, do you write the source to point out that it was not really they that did it, but God?

Answering your previous question, I begin to “glean” from your comments that there is almost nothing about Jehovah’s Witnesses that you agree with and that your entire representation here is a fraud.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

How can you be so dense? It can be only willfull.

  I can say the same about you, dear Tom.  Remember Fred Franz, one of your leaders?

Here is his speech on the preaching work and how it was spread.  Granted, he had a selfish view in mind when giving it, but his words are factual. 

 

 

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On 5/1/2019 at 11:39 AM, Witness said:

It is not as small as the organization claims it is.  It is clear that the number “144,000” is symbolic, represented by “24” elders Rev 4:10,11  The word “thousand” in Hebrew specifies a large, innumerable amount

So. The role of the anointed that you are among is to rule as kings over the earth, per Revelation 5:10.

And yet 144,000 (which I always thought was a lot) is but a drop in the bucket? The true number of kings is innumerable?

Just how many kings to you think the earth needs? Do they outnumber those they rule over? (Will you end up being mine?)

And your qualifications so that I should accept this future (and present) rulership?

Two, that I can see.

1) After a year as a Witness, you said that you were a king by partaking of the emblems.

2.) You tell us day and night that the Governing Body are frauds.

With them, I can look at their track record. It is substantial. And what track record of yours have you pointed to? Let us quote the house sage @James Thomas Rook Jr.: “Zip, zero, nada.”

Am I missing something here? It is one thing to be critical of the GB. Many do it here. But to hold yourself up as a preferred substitute? Really?

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Back at it I see.

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

So. The role of the anointed that you are among is to rule as kings over the earth, per Revelation 5:10

Wrong. 

"And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10   

Do you see this?  "ON".  As priests, they are God’s “messengers”.

Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
And people should seek the law from his mouth;
For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.

Angels in Greek means…”a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God.

John 1:51 - And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Jesus was telling Nathaneal that this is how he would see the angel messengers/144,000 (and be among them) come down

out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husbandAnd I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.  Rev 21:2,3

As a “new creation”, both spirit and human, Christ’s Bride, as well as Christ himself will have access to both heaven and earth.  2 Cor 5:17

Have you ever wondered how God would “dwell” with His children if not through the anointed priests/kings, who are His spiritual house, along with their Head, Jesus? 

1 Pet 2:5 - you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3:16 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Eph 2:21 - in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

This dwelling place of God's Spirit includes Christ.

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  But He was speaking of the temple of His body."  John 2:19,21

How can the Bride “come down from heaven” and not be on the earth?

Rev 22:17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And yet 144,000 (which I always thought was a lot) is but a drop in the bucket? The true number of kings is innumerable?

Just how many kings to you think the earth needs? Do they outnumber those they rule over?

I will let you research the Hebrew meaning for “thousand”.  You’ll find it on the internet.  I can give further symbolic meaning of the number, but will you care to read it?

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And your qualifications so that I should accept this future (and present) rulership?

Two, that I can see.

1) After a year as a Witness, you said that you were a king by partaking of the emblems.

Remember when you said you don’t always take time to read thoroughly?  Well, you don’t.  I said for over 30 years I never did partake of the emblems, rejecting my anointing for the entire time in the organization.

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

2.) You tell us day and night that the Governing Body are frauds.

They are. One of the signs of the last days to "deceive the elect", the called "saints", are 

"false christs and false prophets" showing great signs and wonders to deceive. Matt 24:24   

They are found directing an "organization"/Beast.  Rev 13.  Have you read this chapter?

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

With them, I can look at their track record. It is substantial. And what track record of yours have you pointed to?

You appear to love "great signs and wonders, the "high places" that are easily seen.  Isa 2:12,17,18; Micah 1:3

Is your version of "track record" of acceptability the same as God's?  Have they suffered for the sake of Christ, despised and persecuted for his sake, or for the sake of an earthly organization?  They are insulated from all "persecution" that comes from "apostates"; which is nothing.  They rule over their "brothers" in Christ.  Luke 22:24-27; Matt 24:48-51; Rom 12:16

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Am I missing something here? It is one thing to be critical of the GB. Many do it here. But to hold yourself up as a preferred substitute? Really?

I have never done that.  Please show me where I have held myself up as a preferred substitute over Jesus Christ, whom your leaders proclaim to be "ambassadors substituting for Christ". 2 Cor 5:20  Compare this reading in all other Bibles.  If you find any translation, including the Greek Interlinear, that reads the same way as the perverted NWT, please let me know.  

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

So. The role of the anointed that you are among is to rule as kings over the earth, per Revelation 5:10.

That I am among?  It is the role of every anointed since Christ, if they are found faithful and obedient only to Christ...and not to men.

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20 hours ago, Witness said:

And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10   

Does it really make any significant difference? Mostly you are quibbling over words, while not addressing the actual point.

The point is, that after a single year as a Witness, you become convinced of your anointing, with all its implications that you will be a messenger to everyone else, as well as a future (and in some respects present) king and priest.

Now, I would be nettled at the GB assuming that role, too, except that they have given serious evidence of their qualifications: They are the spiritual descendants of those who brought the truth to me in the first place, they are “jealous with a godly jeolousy” over those they have promised to hand over to the Lord in an approved state, they make every effort to shelter me from the storm, barring compromising on scriptural things, they are unafraid to discipline me in accord with scriptural principles if needed, and most have served for years of full-time service in assignments more lowly than most of those whom they ultimately lead. I do not expect perfection of them, just as I do not expect the bus driver to avoid every pothole on a dilapidated road.

Have you done any of these things? No. Or at least you’ve pointed to no evidence. Am I “impressed with great things?” Not unduly. But neither am I in a hurry to buy snake-oil that offers no evidence of its efficacy.

And here you rail about them being where their immediate needs are met. It is hard not to see this as sheer envy on your part. Theirs is no more than not muzzling the ox while it is threshing—and thresh they do. Are they amassing wealth for themselves, say in 401Ks? The day they leave Bethel, if they do, they find their circumstances very modest indeed. When R Franz left Bethel, he took away a lifetime settlement of 10K. For a time, he went back to being a handyman to support himself—and you probably railed about that, too.

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5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Does it really make any significant difference? Mostly you are quibbling over words, while not addressing the actual point.

It does make a significant difference.  Do you love the lie that the Watchtower has taught you about the anointed?  Do you know what you have been taught?  You made a misnomer that the anointed will "rule over the earth", which in WT language translates into, only from heaven.  I revealed the truth from scripture.  

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The point is, that after a single year as a Witness, you become convinced of your anointing, with all its implications that you will be a messenger to everyone else, as well as a future (and in some respects present) king and priest.

Oh Tom.  When you get this part of the story right I'll continue to answer your comments.  

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      Satan is clearly still in control of the world (1 John 5:19). Satan is still testing, persecuting, and sifting the Chosen (Luke 22:31; Rev 12:10). This control will not be forcefully taken from him, until there exists the legal basis to do so (Rev 20:1,2;12:10,11) according to Yhwh's perfect justice. This basis is established, the moment the last anointed one is sealed, and the full number of the administration is completed (1 Pet 2:5; Zech 4:9-14; Rev 11:3,4).  
      When established, God's eternal dominion does not begin immediately (Rev 12:5,6,13,14)... as was the case with the establishing of Christ's universal authority upon his faithful death (Eph 1:20,21). There is a slight delay of a symbolic 3 1/2 days (Rev 11:9,11) before that authority is fully exercised, and includes the removal of Satan, his power and dominion, and all those in his power. 
      Once this birth occurs, the Kingdom government has been made ready! (Rev 12:5; 2:26,27) All those taken into it have proven their integrity through righteous acts and deeds (2 Pet 3:11; Rev 19:8), and Satan can no longer find legal basis to accuse these ones of lacking qualification (Rev 12:10b; Job 2:4; Prov 27:11; Rev 12:11). He accuses these ones in an attempt to delay the transition of world dominance, from himself, to the Kingdom heirs (Rev 11:15). This strategy of Satan has been legally successful up until the number is completed. But once the last of the "woman's" seed finish their course, there is "no delay any longer" (Rev 10:6; Heb 10:37). Those who were faithful over "a little", will now receive a full reward. (Matt 28:18-20; 25:23; Luke 16:10; Rev 2:26-29; 3:12,21) 
       
      Yet those proving faithful to death (Rev 12:11; 6:9) do not merit this inheritance based upon their own work only (Rom 2:7; 1 Cor 3:13; 1 Cor 15:58 John 6:27). For, it is an undeserved gift of kindness (Rom 6:23; 1 Pet 3:7b) through the ransom, that finally grants these entrance into the ruling heavens as sinless incorruptible spirits (1 Cor 15:53; Heb 12:23; 1:7; 2:16; Rev 5:9,10). 
       
       When Jesus began his presence for inspection of the final invited ones, the "birth pangs" began (Isa 26:17; Mark 13:8). Those who are the last to prove faithful, will seal the full number of Kingdom heirs. 
       
      The last of these Holy Ones are those distinguished as the "great crowd", who "come out of the Great Tribulation" (Rev 7:14; 19:1,8). These symbolic "two witnesses" are also the "capstone" of God's "Temple" of 144000 priests (Zech 4:7,9; 1 Pet 2:5; Eph 2:20,21; 1 Cor 16). They are the sealed ones who passed the greatest and final test of integrity, designed by Satan to mislead these final ones (Rev 12:17; Luke 22:3; Matt 24:21,13; Luke 21:36). That test is connected to the "signs" of "labor". Will you fall for Satan's counterfeit "sign", and miss out on the true spiritual warnings?   This is Satan's supreme, last ditch effort; in order to delay the transition of world power, from him (Rev 12:17; Matt 24:21,22). He hopes to delay his loss of Rule, by preventing the Chosen from perceiving the true spiritual interpretation of prophecy.  
      Jesus also expects us to identify this "presence", not by a date, but by the signs he gave us (Matt 24:3; Rev 3:3).
      When the purpose of this inspection is fulfulled, it is later followed by his "arrival". That is when he will make clear to all creation, his choice of Sons (Rom 8:19). Judgment will then have been passed on all the final anointed/invited ones, and their "work" (1 Cor 3:13-15).  
      Those who have passed this final "Great Tribulation" (Satan's test of loyalty), have remained spiritually awake and aware of their inspection, despite the groaning of birth and Satan's obscuring of Truth.  
      Those who have not passed, became dull and forgetful as to Christ's requirements. Those who have turned aside (and fallen asleep spiritually), will prefer power and approval in this religious system of things, rather than the glorious one to come. (Luke 16:2,8; 1 Cor 4:8; Rev 17:12; John 12:43. They will seek physical signs and be mislead by them (Matt 16:2-4; 12:38,39; Rev 13:13,14; 2 Thess 2:9-11). They will not perceive the only true sign (Ezek 24:27; Matt 12:40; Rev 11:3,7,9). 
       
      Unlike their exemplar Christ and his sealed ones, they will speak of their own originality (John 7:16-18). They will prefer the glory and power of this present religious system, to the humiliations of the Christ (1 Cor 4:8; Mark 10:42,43; Luke 16:19-31; Rev 11:2,7-11; Rev 11:2,7-11; Mark 8:34-38). Or, they will join with the Harlots who do (1 Cor 6:15; 2 Cor 11:2-4; Rev 17:1,2). The light shining in the lamps of the unfaithful, has been "bought" from men who "sell" (Matt 25:10; Rev 13:17; Isa 55:2; 2 Cor 2:17; 1 Thess 2:4; 2 Pet 2:3; Rom 1:25)
      What does this mean for those seeking God's approval? 
      Take heed and take heart, that these signs of Christ's presence and the evident fulfillment of this final test on the anointed (Labor pains), both indicate that Christ's arrival is so very close (Luke 21:28).  
      All Christians need to remain awake (Luke 21:36).  
      How? 
       
      Keep close in mind the actual requirements of God and Christ (Mal 6:8; Matt 22:37-39; 25:45,46; James 1:27)
      ...not the misleading doctrines of men (Matt 15:9).  
      Realize that Christ warnings about the "end" are about integrity and loyalty to God alone....Not about the politics or economics of Satan's world. 
      What are these divine requirements?  
      To the anointed, it means they must have their lamps in order...certain that what they are shining is from Christ alone (Matt 25:7,12). They must dodge the prevalent climate of  idolatry, spiritual fornication, a false sense of security, and inactivity (Luke 21:36; Rev 2:4,5,14,15,20-22; 3:1-3,16,19; Rev 13:8,11; 17:1,2; 18:3,9; Ezek 13:10; 1 Thess 5:3).  
      They must be doing their best to shine their light, to reach as many as possible (Luke 12:35,36; Matt 5:14-16; 1 Pet 2:12). 
      They must also go out to meet their bridegroom, by walking the same path he did as he neared the end of his life (1 Pet 2:21; Romans 8:17; 1 Pet 2:21; Rom 8:17; 1 Pet 4:19; Heb 5:8). 
      For those not so chosen...these ones must remember the Law of the Christ....Love. (Rom 13:10; Gal 6:2,5,14) 
      Jesus' sober warning to these is given at Matt 25:45,46.  This Law of Love would need to be practiced by all sheep, toward Christ's proven brothers (Matt 7:20). 
       
      This necessity becomes increasingly difficult to discern, and hard to carry out in the last days; as these very brothers are the ones shamed and persecuted during this time of giving birth, by the wicked steward (Matt 24:48-51; 2 Thess 2:1-12; John 16:2-4; Rev 11:7-10; Luke 16:2; 12:45,46). 
      Yet any unjust treatment inflicted upon these faithful, will be brought into account by Christ himself (Matt 25:31,32,40; Mark 9:42). 
      Specifically, the woman who is having labor, are those already sealed. These are in tribulation while trying to give spiritual birth to those yet unsealed. Those sealed BECOME the heavenly covenant/mother of heaven, who is birthing those still coming to birth spiritually, previous to their being sealed (Rov 2:26,27; 12:25; Eph 2:6; 1:3; Rev 1:20; 10:5) (Gal 4:19; 1 Thess 2:7; Eph 4:13; 3 John 1:4; 1 Cor 4:1). 
       
      Throughout the spiritual maturation process/cleansing, refinement of a chosen one, they are under a promise (New Covenant/mother in heaven 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). This compares to a child developing in the womb. (Ps 110:3; 1 Thess 5:5; Judges 5:2; Micah 5:7; Gal 4:19) Once sealed (and born), they continue that growth, to become full representatives of that Covenant (Christ's 'Bride'/"Christ fully formed in you") and channel it's benefits to others (2 Cor 5:20; 1 Cor 4:1; Isa 42:6; Acts 13:47; John 7:38; Rev 22:17; Matt 5:14). These sealed ones are no longer subject to death (Rev 20:4-6; John 5:24; 1 John 3:14).  
       
       Reading this at Pearls site provides for scriptures that pop up.  
      Pearl Doxsey, "Labor Pains", 4womaninthewilderness
       
       
       
       
    • By Witness
      I am presently on a road trip, camping in parts of the western states of the U.S.  I guess it could be called a therapeutic getaway for my husband, who will make some serious medical decisions next month.   Way out west, that could mean long stretches before finding a cell signal, but this campsite has internet and if my computer battery holds out, I may have a chance to get this posted.
      I happened to speak briefly to three JW women who had set up their cart and table in a national park.  It was a frigid morning after a snowfall, the temperature inching from a bright and early 6 degrees above zero, toward 20 degrees in the sunshine.  After a pleasant interchange, I mentioned 1 Cor 3:16,17 and that through my studies I have learned that the anointed were the “living stones” of the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9)   I then cited 2 Thess 2:3,4, and asked if they had considered how the “man of lawlessness” in the last days, would “sit”/rule over the temple – over the anointed ones.  One JW reached for her computer pad to do a bit of research.  She admitted it would be through a composite entity, but couldn’t give me an identity. 
      Yes, I did tell her that the man of lawlessness is the elder body, who has been given authority to judge God’s “special possession” as unworthy of receiving eternal life. (Rev 11:1,2; 13: 5-7,15) Immediately, I am told, “Jehovah is the ultimate judge”, despite the judgment of a spiritual “death” made by the elder body when one rejects the organization, or exposes its leaders’ lies.   (Matt 10:17,18; John 16:2; Rev 13:15)  I have noticed that it seems to be a common phrase among JWs that God is the judge, while they forget that Jesus has been given authority to judge.  Elders, not anointed, have no authority to do so. (John 8:51; 2 Cor 5:10; Rom 14:4) 
       As we spoke a bit more, I was thinking how very depressing it is to see their devotion to the organization and their full blindness to the role of God’s priesthood. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) (Mal 2:7) The organization’s false doctrines, have a common thread that can’t be dismissed if one cares to scrutinize them.  They all weave together to minimize and suppress the identity and role of the anointed. When I asked the JWs who they believed should be the shepherds of the congregations, the elders or the anointed ones, the answer was most definitely, the elders.   I reminded them of the time Jesus appeared to his disciples after his resurrection.  He called to them from the shore when they were fishing on the Sea of Tiberias.  He miraculously filled their nets with fish after catching none during the night.  When they arrived on shore, he had prepared a breakfast of fish and bread.  Three times Jesus told Simon Peter to “tend my sheep”, “feed my sheep”. (John 21:1-19; 1 Pet 5:2-4) With Christ as the chief cornerstone of God’s Temple, and the apostles and prophets as its foundation, the additional anointed “living stones” over the years, have been given the same assignment as Simon Peter and the others received that day, to feed Christ’s sheep.  Eph 2:19-22 
      The JWs just shook their heads and silently scoffed.  Revelation’s Beasts have successfully “trampled” any evidence of the important role of God’s priests, before the eyes of those who love the organization. (Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15,16)  They believe the anointed will not act as God’s priests and kings until a future time…once sealed and joining the “144,000” in heaven. This is another false doctrine, according to God’s word.  2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13; Heb 12:22; Rev 5:9,10)
      As Dan 11:36 states, and with the help of a false prophet (Rev 13:11,12), the “man of lawlessness”/Beast from the Sea has done…
      “…exactly as he pleases, claiming to be greater than every god there is, even blaspheming the God of gods, and prospering…” 
      I think all of us are aware of just how easy it is to be captivated by lies.  We are also aware that believing in lies can result in one’s slavery to them. (Rom 6:16)  When we are taken “captive” by lies, it facilitates oppression born from a belief of what we erroneously accept as truth. (Col 2:8; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Rev 13:10) Our heart becomes hardened to any possibility of an alternative understanding of God’s word.  (Mark 8:17; Heb 4:7) 
      The conversation quickly concluded, and I walked away from these three lovely women, who were vocally content and at peace with their belief, that the layout of headship grafted on paper depicting their earthly organization, is correct. (1 Thess 5:3) It begins with “Jehovah”, to Jesus, the elders, and the rest of its members. God’s priests remain anonymous; scattered among them, and at the same time “surrounded” and held fast by demonic expressions used against them. (Jer 23:2; 50:17; Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-9) 
      Through the coming of “Elijah” sent by Christ (Matt 17:11), the words that Jesus read from Isa 61:1,2 apply again today:
      The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
      because he has anointed me
      to preach good news to the poor.
      He has sent me
      to proclaim release to the captives
      and recovery of sight to the blind,
      to set free the oppressed,
      19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
      20 He then rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down. And the eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today as you listen, this Scripture has been fulfilled.”  Luke 4:18-21
      Yes, it has been fulfilled, a second time for those hearts that long for freedom from oppression and lies.   
       
      For consideration:
      “Who are the gods?”
      “Two Witnesses/”Elijah” and “Moses”
      “Elijah Turns Hearts”
      Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
       
       
    • By Witness
      Just minutes before dawn a week ago, I drove a couple of miles down the highway to care for the mixed flock of chickens, ducks and geese. They were waiting impatiently for their doors to swing open, allowing them to embrace the new day. As I passed the tall trees lining the roadway, the mountain came into view revealing a full moon, suspended just above the mountain’s summit. Against the softened blues of the early sky, it glowed with such intense brightness that I was taken aback by its pristine beauty. In the clear morning air, it radiated a brilliant white, enhanced by the rising of the sun. The moon and sun seemed to mutually work together; to bring light, hope and life to the new day dawning. I do hope many of you here also had a chance during the last few days, to enjoy the moon’s beauty in your area.
      The sun, moon and stars of the heavens hold symbolic spiritual meaning during these last days, in reference to the anointed remnant. Rev 22:16; Ps 89:37; Rev 1:20  Upon witnessing the moon’s vivid white light that morning, I thought of the “woman” covenant/promise, fulfilled as the Bride of Christ, and bringing life to God’s children in the Kingdom. Rev 7:13,14; 12:1; Gal 4:26,24; Rom 8:21; Rev 21:2,3;22:17
      Yet, before the birth of God’s Kingdom, those under the New Covenant in Christ who are to reflect the light and truth of the sun, of Jesus Christ, reside in the darkness of captivity. (John 8:12; Matt 5:16) Rev 12:2; 12:17; Luke 21:24; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7,10
      God “sends” or allows this captivity, at Satan’s demand to sift them as “wheat”. Luke 22:31; Col 2:8;2 Thess 2:11,12; Rev 13:9,10; 16:13,14
      Their illuminating power as a “lamp”/”star” representing Christ, is brought to nothing. Matt 5:14,15; Phil 2:15; Joel 2:10; Dan 12:7
      Under a deceitful ruse, known as “Jehovah’s organization”, comprised of an army that every JW must listen to and respect as an authority over them, the symbolic light of the moon is vanquished. No priestly “star” is able to initiate personal sacrifices to God; no anointed one can speak the light of truth from their heart, but only what a false priesthood “serves” as spiritual food provided by a fallen star/false prophet. Rev 13:7; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 8:10,11; Rev 8:10,11; 13:14,17
      “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." Matt 24:29
      Under this siege, God’s anointed alone are not powerful enough to ward off the army of immense size and strength; which tramples down their sacrifices, their voice, their position as God’s Temple priesthood, and any truth from their heart they may have to offer. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Isa 63:18; Jer 12:10; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1,2;20:7-9
      Jesus does not abandon his priesthood of “living stones” in their debased condition, but sends an “Elijah” to open the eyes of the captive, alerting them of their deathly state. Matt 19:25,26; Ps 94:17
       
      The work of "Elijah" preaches a restoration of the bond between God's elect,
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      Without the restoration of those bonds...
      demonic teachings, cloudy eyes, lying hands, darkness, wormwood waters, sin, and death,
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      will take away all the "earth"/homeland of God.
      This is why Jesus causes these "two witnesses" to prophesy ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ),
      for the sake of a late crop/remnant
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      which still contains a blessing ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      Pearl Doxsey
       
      Yet, the moon symbolically turns to blood when the “two witnesses” are “killed” for their testimony to truth. John 16:2;Rev 11:3,7; 18:24; 12:10,11
      “The sun will be turned to darkness
      and the moon to blood
      before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” Joel 2:31
      “ I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red” Rev 6:12
      This “killing” is performed by the Beast organization/counterfeit priesthood, who are guided to do so by its false prophet/Harlot. Acts 2:20; Rev 11:3,7;13:15;17:6
       
      Please examine carefully, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. : "For ***he must reign until*** he has put all his enemies under his feet.".
      -- Do you see from this last scripture, that Jesus is reigning while his enemies are being subdued?
      -- But the Bible tells us of a time, when Jesus is no longer subduing his enemies (The Great Tribulation), because his Temple is being "trampled by Gentiles",
      the heavenly luminaries "sun", "moon", and "stars" are darkened, and "the power of the holy ones is brought to nothing"
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      All this was prophesied to occur, due to Satan's release from the abyss, the outpouring of demonic spirits, lying signs, and wonders; the fall of "wormwood" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), and her releasing the locust-scorpion army from the abyss ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      That is the "hour" in which Michael must stand up for his people( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) to save the remnant (the Great Crowd), and bring the demonic powers of
      the man-of-lawlessness (the Wild Beast),
      and the false prophet (last Harlot)
      and Satan himself,
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      -------- Yes, the thousand years have come and gone.
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      and his giving the key to the abyss, to the fallen star, wormwood (Rev.8:10-11; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
      Pearl Doxsey
       
      At this time period, the anointed Temple members (1 Cor 3:16,17) will either sacrifice their life for Christ’s truth when standing up against the Beast; or for lies coming from this delusional idol, that marks them as its own. Rev 6:9; 13:16; 14:9-11
      When you have a moment, read Isaiah chapter 29 which describes God’s priesthood today in the organization. “Ariel” signifies not only “Jerusalem”, but specifically in this chapter, the altar of sacrifice. Rev 6:9; Mark 8:35
      Sadly, as the chapter relates, the majority of God’s priests sit in silence, spiritually depriving themselves of Christ’s offer of spiritual riches. Rev 3:18-22 They are secluded from the understanding of Revelation’s scrolls concerning them, as well as their companions. Dan 12:1,3,4; Rev 22:10; 10:7 They have not joined the Marriage Feast of the Lamb and cannot see the authentic promised blessings to soon come, in the Kingdom of God. Matt 22:8-10 They see only an illusory depiction of peace and “paradise”, painted by deceitful men. 1 Thess 5:3
      There is still time, though, to leave slavery to men and their idol behind; and be fed spiritual understanding of this time period of confusion and suffering, that God’s people have been subjected to. Rev 18:4-8 Through God’s saving grace, redemption and the light of life is bestowed on those who desire truth. Eph 5:8-14; Isa 45:15-17,22-24; 48:20
      17 In a very short time, will not Lebanon be turned into a fertile field
      and the fertile field seem like a forest?
      18 In that day the deaf will hear the words of the scroll,
      and out of gloom and darkness
      the eyes of the blind will see.
      19 Once more the humble will rejoice in the Lord;
      the needy will rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
      20 The ruthless will vanish,
      the mockers will disappear,
      and all who have an eye for evil will be cut down—
      21 those who with a word make someone out to be guilty,
      who ensnare the defender in court
      and with false testimony deprive the innocent of justice.
      22 Therefore this is what the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, says to the descendants of Jacob:
      “No longer will Jacob be ashamed;
      no longer will their faces grow pale.
      23 When they see among them their children,
      the work of my hands,
      they will keep my name holy;
      they will acknowledge the holiness of the Holy One of Jacob,
      and will stand in awe of the God of Israel.
      24 Those who are wayward in spirit will gain understanding;
      those who complain will accept instruction.” Isa 29:17-24
       
      Articles by Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
      Who is to Blame?
      World-Earth-Home
      Earth Swallows Satan’s River
      “Two Witnesses” – “Lampstands”
      The Greatest Tribulation – What and Why?
      Mark of the Beast
      Who is the Destroyer?
      What is the Thousand Years?
       

    • By Witness
      Satan uses subtleties to reveal his deception. Many people leaving the organization are appalled at finding what are called “subliminal images” sprinkled throughout the publications; dark images that become apparent once we “wake up”. Eph 5:14  At one time I was fascinated by them, but there is so much of that type of darkness that I realized it detracted from the message of light and truth that Jesus has revealed through his “two witnesses”. Rev 11:1-3
      However, something unusual was made note of on a forum, and I had to check it out myself. On the organization’s broadcasting channel, the brief introduction to its monthly studio videos begins with the initial music and a rotating globe, accompanied with photos of JWs all over the world. Very briefly, a huge bright ball of light appears over the map of the New York area, where we know the organization’s leaders reside in Warwick. Then, almost instantly, the organization’s logo, which represents its teachings, rests over the country of Israel. Why such an abnormally large ball of light? Why would the logo not be situation over New York instead of Israel? I don’t believe Satan’s organization does anything in innocence. The Bible may help us reason on it.
      (The Throne of Satan – 4womaninthewilderness blogspot)
      Abraham’s seed of “144,000” anointed ones in covenant with Christ, are compared to stars that are to bring blessings to mankind. Gen 15:5; 26:4; 22:17,18; 28:13,14; Gal 3:29
      “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.” Matt 5:14-16
      Every anointed “star” should be shining such light from Christ in these last days. If they were, and a literal map was created to signify their light, the entire globe would detect and locate each anointed star by the light they would radiate. Dan 12:3; Rom 13:12; Phil 2:15; Heb 11:12; Rev 1:16,20
      However, this isn’t the case. One powerful star, fallen from God’s grace, has mislead all of spiritual “Israel”, God’s “land”, with its defiled teachings. Matt 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16 (1Cor 3:9,16,17; Eph 2:22)
      “And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, (torch) and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.” Rev 8:10,11
       
      The identity "Wormwood" is a "fallen star" (Rev 8:10,11; Isa 14:12; Jer 51:53; Lam 2:1; Obad 1:4,10)
      and therefore, an unfaithful anointed one who is described as "great", "burning as a torch",
      and able to cause the deaths of "many" (Rev 8:11). ...the same one to whom Satan gives the "key to the abyss"[Rev 9:1 (the power over deception and death -Heb 2:14)].
       
      We see that the first thing this unfaithful chosen one does, is unleash those now under her power (Rev 9:2,3) which is a parallel to the "two-horned beast" Rev 13:11 (Wormwood), empowering the collective Wild Beast (Rev 13:14,15).
      The Fallen Star and two-horned Beast/False Prophet, are both parallels, to the adulterous "Harlot" riding the Beast (Rev 17:3; Hos 9:1;1:2).
      All four illustrations are about the same identities.
      Harlot=two-horned False Prophet=Wormwood=Fallen Star=spiritual Jews in Covenant
      Wild Beast=locust-scorpions=man of lawlessness=disgusting thing in Holy Place=spiritual Gentiles

      As you can see, the unfaithful Chosen Ones use those outside that covenant who are under their influence, to do their persecuting for them (Rev 11:7; 17:3; 13:11,12,15).
      But you may notice in Rev 17:3, that in the time of the end, there is a change in this arrangement (Dan 7:7,19,23; Rev 17:3) in that the Beast which the last "woman/Harlot" uses...
      is covered with "blasphemous names".

      This unfaithful fallen star and her army of Gentile counterfeit priests, are self-proclaimed as
      "God's visible spirit-directed Organization" --Blasphemy! (Rev 17:3)
      From – Why Jesus came to earth / Last World Power over the Chosen Ones / "Iron" and "Clay", Pearl Doxsey
       
      When this “spirit-directed” “mountain-like organization” turns on the Harlot/fallen star/wicked steward over God’s wayward priests, will the bright ball of light in their videos, remain positioned over New York? It will be interesting to see. Matt 24:45; Luke 12:42; 16:1,2
       
      This is what the Lord, the Lord Almighty, says:
      “Go, say to this steward,
      to Shebna the palace administrator:
      16 What are you doing here and who gave you permission
      to cut out a grave for yourself here,
      hewing your grave on the height
      and chiseling your resting place in the rock?
      17 “Beware, the Lord is about to take firm hold of you
      and hurl you away, you mighty man.
      18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball
      and throw you into a large country.
      There you will die
      and there the chariots you were so proud of
      will become a disgrace to your master’s house.
      19 I will depose you from your office,
      and you will be ousted from your position. Isa 22:15-19
       
      Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)” Rev 17:15-18
       
      Pearl Doxsey:
      “The Fallen Star”
      “The Steward’s Sacred Trust”
      4womaninthewilderness blogspot
       

    • By Jack Ryan
      Shouldn't they be more spread out than that? (I'm sure they have people from other nations claiming to be anointed from other countries but the vast majority, at least the ones who get the most attention, are from the US).
    • By Witness
      Let’s face it, the creature in the drawing below, portrays ugly evil. And yet the organization relates Revelation’s stinging locusts to the anointed and their preaching work. Rev 9:3 God’s priests are to be messengers of truth from Christ, praising YHWH with the “fruit” of their lips. These teachings impart the light of life to those who accept them. Isa 43:21; Matt 5:14,16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 13:15; Rev 7:10,12 
      Would one who is to carry the “living water” from Christ, torture and afflict unsealed anointed ones – their brothers in Christ? John 4:10,14; 7:38; Rev 7:3; 9:4 Yet, that is what the locust army does! Rev 9:10 Also, God would not issue forth a proclamation bearing truth and light, from a realm of darkness, blindness, confusion and death. However, he would inspire His faithful anointed to trumpet a warning message of truth from heaven, concerning this deadly deception. Ezek 2:1-5; Rev 9:3; Ezek 2:6,7; Rev 8:13;9:13,14; Matt 24:31; Rev 11:1-3  
       Rev chapter 9 tells us that the locust army is given authority to afflict, oppress and deceive; having as its King, the Destroyer, which the scriptures clearly tell us is Satan the devil, the father of the lie. Isa 33:1; Rev 9:11; John 8:44.  
      The warning message from heaven would reveal the locust army as the man of lawlessness, “sitting”/ruling over the temple of God; a rule that afflicts and tramples the “living stones”/priesthood of God’s Temple; those members whom the organization states are the locusts! Dan 11:36,37; 8:11,24; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 13:5-7
       The message has indeed revealed the locust scorpions’ identity as a false, counterfeit priesthood “representing the royal priesthood”, in the organization. Ezek 44:6-9; Matt 24:15;2 Thess 2:3,8; Rev 11:1-3
      Please, JWs, don’t be fooled by your leaders’ interpretation of these locusts. The true identity of this great locust army encourages you to engage in the “preaching work”; well supplied with the latest spiritual food from your “faithful and discreet slave”. Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,2,11,15 They view you as assisting the anointed by spreading a “plaguing message”, as it is called. Are you aware of this? Please consider, how would a message that scripture tells us brings the sting of deceit, which leads to sin, coincide with a preaching work that you perceive as the “good news of the kingdom”...and those who actively support it, as living the “best life ever?” Would you call your preaching message a destructive "plague"?  
      “And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the arth. 4 They were told (“poured forth-speak” Rev 16:13,14) not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. (Rev 7:3) 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.” Rev 9:3-6
      Each descriptive element of the locusts’ appearance helps target their identity.
      “The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.”
      Their symbolic crown represents a false authority (as “princes”) bestowed on them by the “fallen star” that releases them from the abyss. 2 Pet 3:17; (Phil 2:15) Rev 9:1,2; 8:10,11 Through their obedience to this “fallen star”/false prophet, poisoned teachings flood the heart of those under the New Covenant “woman”. 2 Cor 11:4; Eph 4:14; Gal 4:26; Rev 8:10,11; 12:9,15,16  
      9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stings, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
       2 Thess 2:9-12 shows us that the army’s deceptive existence is according to the works of Satan. Their hearts repel truth, choosing instead to love the lie. God “sends” or allows this powerful army and its beguiling image, to subdue His anointed priests, ultimately sifting the righteous from the wicked; by their choice to either serve Him exclusively in truth, or love Satan’s deceptive lie. (1 Kings 22:21,22) Luke 22:31; John 3:19,20; 1 Tim 4:1; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4
      Pearl Doxsey:
      “Are not locust's mouths known for devouring and swallowing (Nahum 3:15; Joel 1:4; Exod 10:12-14) .... not giving forth?
      No, a "plague/curse" of locusts are for destroying... not proclaiming life-saving truths (John 10:10). The locust-scorpions of Rev.9 are instead said to "sting".
      The Bible clearly tells us the purpose of that power (1 Cor 15:15,16) (Ezek 2:6; Luke 10:19) (Rev 9:10). Those with stingers inject sin into their victims... sin that brings forth paralysis and death (Rom 5:12; 8:2; 1 Cor 15:56).  
      The identity of the "man of sin" who gains power over the unsealed anointed, is also described in  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:7; 9:10.
      In stating that the TAILS have death's stingers (Rev 9:10);
      these locusts deliver lies, sourced in the abyss from whence they came.
      The Locust-Scorpions are in subjection to, and under the direction of, that last False Prophet/Wormwood/Fallen Star. In servitude to that last Harlot, these Locust-Scorpions prophesy lies themselves (Isa 9:15,16; Rev 16:1).
      When these Locust-Scorpions falsely prophesy the Harlot's wormwood lies, what is the result to those who accept/receive/ingest those false doctrines?
      Although the Harlot's lies may taste as sweet as truth (Ps 119:103,98; Eze 3:3), the result is death (Rev 10:10; Prov 5:3-5; 7:27; 2:16-19; Isa 28:14,15; Rev 8:11; Deut 32:32; Rev 17:2). Those Chosen who remain under that power, remain in death. They are in subjection to Satan, through his agents, and they remain under the power of the Abyss and it's destruction... unsealed as slaves of God. They are obedient to doctrines of demons, rather than obedient to the teachings of God and Christ."
      (Deut 11:18; Rev 16:16); (Rev 14:1)
      From “Locust-Scorpions/Abaddon/fallen star/Wormwood”  4womaninthewilderness, Pearl Doxsey
       
      Joel Chapter 2:
      Blow the trumpet in Zion,
      and sound the alarm on my holy mountain!
      Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,
      for the day of YHWH is coming
      —it is indeed near.
      2 A day of darkness and gloom,
      a day of cloud and thick darkness,
      like the dawn spreads on the mountains,
      a great and strong army!
      There has been nothing like it from old,
      and after it nothing will be again for generations to come.
      3 Before them a fire devours,
      and behind them a flame burns.
      Like the garden of Eden is the land before them,
      and after them it is like a desolate desert,
      and nothing can escape them.
      4 Like the appearance of horses is their appearance,
      and like horsemen they run;
      5 like the sound of chariots on the tops of the mountains, they leap about;
      like the sound of a flame of fire
      devouring stubble;
      like a strong army arranged
      in rows for battle.
      6 From before them nations writhe,
      all faces turn pale.
      7 They run like mighty warriors,
      they scale the wall like men of war;
      each goes on its own way,
      and they do not swerve from their paths.
      8 They do not jostle one another;
      each goes on its own trail;
      and through the falling weapons,
      they are not halted.
      9 In the city they rush forth;
      on the walls they run.
      Into the houses they climb up;
      through the windows
      they enter like a thief.
      10 Before them the earth quakes;
      the heavens tremble;
      the sun and the moon grow dark,
      and the stars have withheld their splendor
      11 And YHWH utters His voice before His army,
      because His encampment is very large;
      strong is the one who carries out His decree,
      for great is the day of YHWH
      and exceedingly fearful.
      Who can endure it?
      12 “And even now,” declares YHWH,
      “return to me with all your heart,
      with fasting, and weeping, and wailing.”
      13 Rend your hearts and not your garments,
      and return to YHWH your God,
      because He is gracious and compassionate,
      slow to anger and great in loyal love,
      and relenting from harm.
      14 Who knows whether He will turn and relent,
      and leave a blessing behind Him,
      an offering and a libation,
      for YHWH your God?
      15 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
      sanctify a fast, call an assembly;
      16 gather the people, consecrate the assembly;
      assemble the elders, gather the children,
      even those who are breast-feeding;
      let the bridegroom come out from his private room,
      and the bride from her canopy.
      17 Between the colonnade and the altar,
      let the priests, the ministers of YHWH, weep.
      And let them say, “Take pity, YHWH, on your people.
      Do not make your inheritance a reproach,
      a byword among the nations.
      Why should they say among the nations,
      ‘Where is their God?’”
      18 Then YHWH became jealous for His land
      and took pity on His people.
      19 And YHWH answered and said to His people,
      “Look at me, I am sending to you
      grain, new wine, and olive oil,
      and you will be satisfied by it.
      I will not give you over any more
      as a disgrace among the nations.
      20 The northerner army
      I will remove from you;
      I will drive them to a desert
      and desolate land,
      its front to the eastern sea,
      and its rear into the western sea;
      its stench and odor will rise up
      because He has done great things.
      21 Do not fear, O land,
      rejoice and be glad,
      because YHWH has done great things.
      22 Do not fear, wild animals of the field,
      because the pastures of the desert have put forth new green shoots,
      because the tree has produced its fruit,
      the fig tree and the vine
      have yielded their produce.
      23 Be glad, O children of Zion,
      be glad and rejoice in YHWH your God,
      because he has given for you
      the autumn rains for your righteousness,
      and he has poured down for you rainwater,
      the autumn and spring rains, as before.
      24 The threshing floors will be full with grain,
      and the vats will overflow
      with new wine and olive oil.
      25 I will repay you the years
      that the locust has eaten,
      the hopper, the destroyer, and the cutter,
      my mighty troops that I sent against you.
      26 And you will eat abundantly and be satisfied,
      and praise the name of YHWH your God,
      who has dealt with you wondrously.
      My people will forever not be ashamed.
      27 And you will know that I am in the midst of Israel,
      and I am YHWH,
      your God, and there is no other.
      My people will never be ashamed again.
      28 And it will happen afterward thus:
      I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
      and your sons and your daughters will prophesy,
      and your elders will dream dreams;
      your young men shall see visions.
      29 And also on the male slaves and on the female slaves,
      I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
      30 And I will set wonders in the heavens, and on earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun will be changed to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of YHWH. 32 And it will happen—everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be rescued, because on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, as YHWH said, and among the survivors whom YHWH is calling. 
       
      “Mark of Slavery”
      “666”
      “What is Sheol/Hades?”
      “Leviathan and the Abyss”
      4womaninthewilderness blogspot
       
       

    • By Witness
      How many times have some of us cut off a bruised section of, let’s say an apple, and still enjoyed eating the rest? We know that normally a small bruise doesn’t affect the taste of the apple.    The other day, I had one apple left of any fruit available; one which was clean of bruises, but was just beginning to rot.  I knew this, but felt I could cut off the soft brown blemish and eat the rest, just as I had done with a bruise.  Upon cutting, I could see the rot had traveled into the core, but I diligently scored out the discolored tissue with the hope of enjoying what remained.  The first bite told the story of bitter rottenness.  The unpleasant taste had traveled well through the apple; and yet, I made sure I ate as much as I normally would, all the while questioning why I pushed myself to eat such a terrible tasting piece of fruit.    
      Well, I’ll not be doing that again…ever. When an apple begins to rot, fungus has made its way into the flesh through a puncture in the skin.  It can happen from contaminated water during the harvesting process; and it is true that “one bad apple spoils the whole bunch”, through the off-gassing of the hormone “ethylene”.  An apple infested with fungal mold will spread and contaminate other fruit, looking for another host to grow on; and it successfully accomplishes rotting the whole bunch, all while taking place in the dark. To ripen, an apple needs the light from the sun; to rot and decay – disease and darkness. 
      It seems appropriate that trees are expressed in the Bible as the source of pure teachings, although there are those who are considered bearers of rotten fruit.  It is by their “fruit” that we recognize true or false prophets, or true or false teachers.  So, it is the anointed who are these trees outlined in the scriptures. Ps 1:1-3  Whatever their heart contains will be the nature of the “fruit” they produce and supply to their hearers.  Luke 6:43-45 
      Matt 12:33-37 -  Either make the tree good and its fruit will be good, or make the tree bad and its fruit will be bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you speak good things when you are evil? For the mouth speaks from the overflow of the heart. 35 A good person produces good things from his storeroom of good, and an evil person produces evil things from his storeroom of evil. 36 I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every worthless word they speak. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
      Matt 7:15-20  -  “Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves. 16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
      Pearl Doxsey:
      “Trees are only a symbol which represents, teachers.
      If there were no symbolic "trees",
      there would be no witnesses of God, nor offering of spiritual food (knowledge).
      Each tree decides what kind of teacher they will be,
      and what sort of "fruit" they will produce and offer others to "eat".
      God equips them with wisdom so that they can enjoy
      the happiness of giving
      the knowledge of life.
      But God does not force them to produce what He wishes.
      Their mouth will produce fruit according to the abundance of their own heart.
      (Luke 6:45; Matt 12:33-37; 7:20; Heb 13:15; John 1:1,4;8:12;12:46;Prov 11:30;10:11;3:13,18; Eph 5:8-12)


      The Bible reveals that Satan's mouth, also bears "fruit"/teachings (Rev 16:13;12:15; Col2:8; 2 Cor 11:3; 1 Tim 6:20,21; Gen 3:4,5; Rev 2:24; James 3:15)
       
      Just as Jesus is "the way" and his teachings are the road to life; Satan's deceptions are the road which leads to destruction (2 Thess 2:9,10; Matt 7:13; Rev 12:9). All of Satan's teachings/"fruit" are lies, darkness, error/sin, and they lead to death John 8:44; Heb 2:14; James 1:15. To take in such teachings is to be deceived. Eve herself obtained this falsely-called knowledge (Gen 3:13; 1 Tim 6:20; James 3:15) which resulted in her death (Rom 5:12; Gen 2:17). 
      (From “Two Trees”, 4womaninthewilderness)
      Dear JWs, the phrase, “new light” which is assigned to new Watchtower teachings, is a twist of scripture to hide the rotten blemishes on the “fruit” your “trees” have produced for over a century. (to get a more comprehensive understanding of Prov 4:18 , read Prov 4:10-19)  The “new” apple looks perfect at first glance, until you take the time to examine it thoroughly and find the beginning evidence of decay.  You have a choice not to eat rotten “fruit; in fact, Jesus expects you to examine all teachings by anointed ones. It is only men who expect you to gratefully accept their time-tested rotten offerings.   2 Cor 11:19,20; Rev 13:11,14-17  From what many of us have experienced, we realize the majority of Watchtower’s teachings are rotten to the “core” of its existence. If you have not done so, I hope you search for the list of failed dates of Armageddon’s arrival, which affected other time-table dates and doctrine associated with them, such as the meaning of “this generation”.  1 John 4:1  
      Can you imagine Jesus offering “fruit” with any source of disease or blemish to his listeners, while he was on the earth? James 3:17
      He told his disciples:  “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—FRUIT THAT WILL LAST—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.”  John 15:16
      Would this be possible without the light of life from the Son?  John 1:1,4;8:12  
       “For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light— 9 for the fruit of the light consists of all goodness, righteousness, and truth -  10 testing what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Don’t participate in the fruitless works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what is done by them in secret.  Eph 5:8-12
      JWs, would you say your leaders’ “fruit” concerning the many historical changes to “this generation” ripened in the light of Christ, or did each new version emerge from the same diseased bunch, harboring mold in some dark WT cellar? It is a fact that many fruitless, worthless teachings have been tossed out by the organization. Titus 1:15,16  Will there be more?  The Bible states “Wormwood’s” waters contaminate true teachings and mislead many with a corrupted form of “nourishing food”. Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11;16:13   Please, put the pieces together; through my own experience, I perceived that what they offer you as “good fruit” is already riddled with disease, spawned in the dark recesses of evil men’s hearts.  Isa 28:14,15,7,8; Eph 2:1-3 
      1 Tim 6:20,21:  “Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding irreverent and empty speech and contradictions from what is falsely called knowledge. 21 By professing it, some people have departed from the faith.”
      2 Thess 2:9,10:  “The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,10 and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved.”
       
      Consider Pearl Doxsey’s article  – “Wormwood/The False Prophet/Armageddon”, 4womaninthewilderness
       
       
       



    • By Witness
      @TrueTomHarley  "Focus on the purpose of the anointing. They have a lot of work to do, if this verse is any indication."
      Okay.
      He's referring to 1 Pet 2:9:
      But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  a people for special possession, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  that you should declare abroad the excellencies” Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light - 1. Peter 2:9
      Srecko provided this quote:
      WTJWORG quote: Such adopted state brings benefits of freedom from “a spirit of slavery causing fear,” replacing it with the confidence of sons; of hope of a heavenly inheritance assured by the witness of God’s spirit. At the same time these spiritual sons are reminded by their adoption that such position is by God’s undeserved kindness and selection rather than by their inherent right.  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200271355/1/0
      “…of the One who called you out of darkness and into His wonderful light”

      “Such adopted state brings benefits of freedom from a “spirit of slavery causing fear”, replacing it with the confidence of sons; of hope of a heavenly inheritance assured by the witness of God’s spirit.
      Does this freedom from darkness, slavery and fear happen when a present or future anointed one has either just embraced the organization or been a seasoned member of it? 
      Or, like myself does it happen when one steps out of the organization, receiving confidence in Holy Spirit’s ability to aid me in doing God’ will?  I could still be in the organization, timidly denying and deliberately forgetting my anointing over the initial fear of unworthiness, and what those in charge may judge me as. Matt 10:28; Mark 8:35   After all, what elder would have been convinced that a young 25 year-old woman was anointed upon just entering the organization?   For over 30 years, the “token” of Holy Spirit that I and all anointed receive, was never appreciated. Where would that have put me when Jesus returns?  Would I have received eternal life for squandering away what should have been the start of the progression of knowledge and faith in God? Eph 2:8-10  How could I have imitated Christ when I rejected his Headship over me and substituted men to be that head, instead?  Eph 4:20,21; Prov 22:19; 2 Thess 3:5
      How many more in the organization are like me?
      “What is the spirit doing to a heart during anointment? (See Rom.2:29)
      The heart is being circumcised by spirit...being cleansed and inducted.
      The token in the heart is direct contact with Holy Spirit. It is like God touching you directly.
      What heart-felt emotion does this cause....What does that token in the heart feel like?
      That feeling highlights the truth of 1John4:8
      LOVE
      The token in the heart is an overwhelming flood of love as never experienced before...directly from God, as He chooses and cleanses your heart.
      This is separate from the progressive learning through Christ (imparted due to one's anointed identity)...also by virtue of the anointed designation and Holy Spirit.
      Those who are chosen, come under Christ's progressive teaching (Eph.4:20,21; Matt.13:12; John15:5; Rom.11:17). (Pearl Doxsey, “Holy Spirit at Work, The Token”)
      I did feel that overwhelming love; but I remained lost and oblivious to God’s purpose; not only for me personally, but ignorant of His full purpose for all anointed ones.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:19-22; Rev 5:9,10; Rev 22:1,2,17  Not far behind my experience, are the rest of the anointed priests in the organization.   Each one has received a special spiritual gift from God. Eph 4:11-13  Are these gifts used, or does God’s priesthood remain in the dark about their individual purpose God had set out for them?  Under both the GB and the “uncircumcised” elder body’s rule, they are to ignore what God has placed in their hearts. Rom 2:28,29; Dan 8:12; 12:7  The GB has no need of them, since a great counterfeit priesthood has taken their place. Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; Dan 11:31 The elders uphold the GB’s direction to insure the anointed are working individually, separate from each other; not to bond, not to join together as one body; which totally contradicts scripture. 1 Cor 12:24-26 They have perverted God’s Word to satisfy their lust for power.   Micah 3:9; Rev 13:11; 8:10,11    Cutting, sarcastic remarks such as the following, help herd them in the direction the GB want them to go…one of oblivion and servitude to what the leaders have devised and cherish, an earthly organization; a Beast with great power over God’s chosen ones.    Rev 13:1,2, 5-8
       All that I say, are not new points.  I’ve written them many times here; nothing has changed. If a person’s heart loves the organization built by men, over the organization of God,  built upon His Son (His Temple priesthood of “living stones” 1 Pet 2:5,9), nothing that I speak will make a difference in changing one’s heart to “see” the blasphemies committed by the Watchtower and its Harlot leaders.  Rev 13:6; 2:20 
      So anointed ones do not think that they are better than others. They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else. Wt 16/11 p. 22
      They know and feel these things, do they?  Or, are they spoon-fed lies by a wicked slave who prefers to silence their opinion and any truth they may have in their heart? Matt 24:48-51
      IF they worked as one anointed Body directly following their only Head, Jesus Christ, what would they know?   Prov 4:18; 1 Cor 13:9,10; Rom 12:6; 1 Cor 12:12,13
      Each one would learn their purpose as GOD outlined for them; not the purpose of men, not as a “human message”.  2 Thess 2:13; Phil 1:6; Eph 4:13
      They would teach God’s laws to the people, “for the healing of the nations”.  Jer 23:32; 31:33;Ezek 44:23; Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10
      They would freely offer up sacrifices of praise to the one true God, not to the “mountainlike organization”.  Rev 13:4
      As one Body, they would come to “know all things”.  1 Thess 5:19; 1 John 2:27
      They would bear only good fruit “that remains”, sourced in the nourishing sap of the vine, Jesus Christ.  John 15:1-5,8,16; James 1:17; 1 John 4:1
      They would each shine the light of truth and love of Christ, for all in God’s spiritual House to benefit from, including all lovers of truth in Christ.  Ps 43:3; Matt 5:14-16; John 14:6 
      “…who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light” 
      The organization cannot emit the “wonderful light” from the Father and Christ, since it is a well-cloaked mechanism of slavery to men – a spiritual, strong, psychological attempt to win over the minds of it’s adherers, backed by evil intentions.  2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 16:13,14  What is taught may sound so pleasing, so “nutritious”, but if one digs underneath the surface teaching; the very opposite is found.  If truth is spoken, what is practiced is not the truth that may have be verbalized.  Luke 12:1,2
      What are the “abc’s” of a psychological – in this case, spiritual – trap?  I’ve referred to this before:
      To grasp psychological entrapment we must first comprehend the simplest traps of all physical traps for animals. Animal traps are ingenious devices devilishly clever and efficient, and utterly sinister in their effect on their victims. What properties then make animal traps work?
       (If humans can devise such traps, how much more sinister would a trap devised by Satan turn out to be? Would it be perceived as a trap at first sight? Amos 3:5; 2 Cor 11:13-15)
      First of all an effective animal trap must be able to lure or to distract the quarry into behaving in ways which threaten its self-preservation.
      …A dedication to the organization on the premise of the false belief that salvation is obtained through such a commitment; while simultaneously convincing one that he is serving God whole-souled.  Deut 8:10; 30:17,181 Kings 12:28-31; Matt 6:24
      “Loyalty to God also includes loyalty to his organization.” 01/10/1 pg 20-23
      Can any JW provide a scripture to validate this claim?
      They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Rom 1:25
      Second, an effective animal trap permits traffic in one direction only.
      …Just as a “live” trap secures the animal, any effort to escape the Watchtower can result in a spiritual “killing” – disfellowshipping. Rev 13:15  In essence, the comfortable cage that surrounds JWs, becomes the organization.   Col 2:8; Rev 13:10
      Incredibly, James 4:8a, Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
      translates into…”As we approach the universal war of Armageddon it is vital to stay close to Jehovah’s mighty organization. w72 6/1 p. 333
      “While Satan’s organization crumbles, the organization of Jehovah prospers marvelously under his protection and guidance.” w71 9/15 pp. 559-564 
      Well then, that is enough of a boast to keep a JW inside; to regulate the traffic flow going in and not out, of the organization.  Yet, are these statements really true?  The organization has crumbled in Russia, and is threatened with extinction in other countries as well. Numbers world-wide are decreasing.   Again, which organization is it, that belongs to Satan?  It is the one pretending to belong to God; the one promising you will prosper, while it crumbles around you.  This “mountain” will continue to reduce in size, while the true Mount Zion/God’s Temple of “144,000” will “fill the earth”.  Zech 4:7; Dan 2:35; (Rev 13:4,15); Rev 8;8 
      “When you see (“New”) Jerusalem (Rev 21:1,2) being surrounded by armies, (elder body/"man of lawlessness") (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:2) you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written." Luke 21:20-22
      Third, an effective trap is often engineered so the quarry's very efforts to escape, entrap it all the more.
      …by using the threat of losing all knowledge of life one has known when rejecting the organization. This limits the range of one’s spiritual mobility, just the opposite of spiritual freedom necessary to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1
      For those anointed who reject this threat in order to bond with Christ and the Body, they are blessed with his protection; which is much stronger than any organization on earth can provide - no matter how large, how beautiful, how successful it appears in producing a “preaching work”, of their own making.  Zech 4:6,7; John 10:9,10
       Finally, an effective trap must be suited to the particular attributes of the quarry it is designed to capture.
      …by baiting it with true teachings, followed by a vow of exclusive devotion to the organization, regardless of what false doctrine develops over time.  Satan knows the anointed ones recognize truth aided by the Holy Spirit “deposit” given them when anointed.  He uses this knowledge to entrap the remaining ones of the woman’s seed during the last days, and eventually flood them with lies. Rev 12:15
      Some types of personal interactions are psychological traps for capturing people; they are remarkably similar to self-entrapment. Like animal traps, their effectiveness lies in the trapper's ability to lure the quarry into a course of action that leads to entrapment.
      The course of action taken by anointed and others, is dedication to the organization that requires whole-souled service. You must agree, your entire life is devoted to “Jehovah’s organization”   God does not have a share in the world’s endeavors. John 4:23,24  Simply, Satan has spearheaded his campaign of deceit against God’s saints, using his access and authority over the world.  Luke 4:7,8  God focuses on the faithfulness expected of His priests to serve Him and His Son. 1 John 5:1-5  However, He backs away and allows the demands of Satan to sift us as “wheat”, by presenting us with this ultimate deception. Matt 4:1; Luke 22:31;  2 Thess 2:9-12 To be found worthy, each anointed must be tested as Jesus was. How do you see this happening JW?   As you peer into the world for Armageddon to come and go as Satan desires you to do; from his other hand, he has placed the test right in yours , and right in the palm of the anointed priests.  We are either victorious in combating his deception and lies; or, we succumb to the power of men over us to support their counterfeit “Zion”.    It is the essence of the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. 
      The human motives leading to entrapment include greed, excessive ambition and the need to save face or to punish an adversary. Similarly, when our personal or professional life disappoints us and our efforts to achieve a turn-around do not pay off quickly enough, we may decide to justify the high cost by renewing our commitment and remain on the treadmill.
      What is the high cost of remaining on Watchtower’s treadmill?  Dear JWs, it can mean your life.
      At the end of the symbolic “thousand years”, which is now, Satan uses deceit to mislead the “saints” and those with them, into idolatry and submission to the rule of men.  This trap is an ‘ingenious device devilishly clever and efficient, and utterly sinister in its effect on the victim’.   The Watchtower even uses the term “deceit” to describe Satan’s tactics when he is let loose from the abyss; but naturally, they lead you to believe it is still to come. 
      Very clever. 
      For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.  Col 1:13
       
      Pearl Doxsey - "When are the full "144,000" completed?"  - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Witness
      2016:  Watchtower’s “God’s Word For Us Through Jeremiah pg 178–180:
      “A significant aspect of the new covenant is this: “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, . . . And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all of them know me.” ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) The anointed on earth today have shown that they have God’s law within them. They love the truths found in it, rather than relying on the teachings of any human.”  
      How have they shown God’s laws are written on their heart?  Are they able to teach JWs these laws?  Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9   
      Is it true they do not rely on the teachings of humans?  Aren’t the GB members the only source of spiritual food; which consists of decrees, traditions, doctrine and prophesy that have been found to be in error and needing constant change?  Deut 18:19-22; John 6:27; Isa 29:13; Mark 7:9-13; Col 2:20-22
      Is it possible to follow both God’s laws fulfilled in Christ, and the laws of men who have singled themselves out as “faithful and discreet”, before Jesus has returned?  Matt 25:20-23 
      Consider this decree or “law” written by the governing body:
      “Elders, you can learn some helpful lessons from what we have just discussed: (1) The best thing you can do to prepare for the future attack of “the Assyrian” is to strengthen your faith in God and help your brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, you must be completely convinced that Jehovah will save us. (3) At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey ANY instructions we may receive, WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT, because obeying these instructions will save our lives. (4) If any are putting their trust in the education of this world, material things, or HUMAN ORGANIZATIONS, THEY MUST CHANGE THEIR WAY OF THINKING NOW. You must be ready to help any who may not be putting their complete trust in Jehovah.   WT13 11/15 p. 20
      Firstly, any organization that operates in this world is a “human organization”, no matter what it is called.  It uses all means of survival as any other organization does; material things, investments, donations, and relies on building expansion to aid growth in numbers.  The elder body is comprised mainly of men not anointed. If men expect obedience to a human organization’s regulations, this means, JWs…
      YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR WAY OF THINKING…NOW!  Isn’t this what the governing body admonishes?
      WT 90/11/1 p. 26 – “We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry – be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization.”
      Do YOU truly believe that the Watchtower, a human run organization, will lead you to salvation?  If so, you are committing idolatry. 
      Secondly, God’s laws are placed on the heart of an anointed one by Holy Spirit at the time of an anointing.  Rom 2:28,29; 2 Cor 1:21,22  These decrees provide life and insight in what God deems is right or wrong in order for us to gain life. Ps 119:33-37,105,113-115  It is God’s symbolic “mark” that directs one’s thinking and actions.
      Deut 11:18 -  “Imprint these words of mine on your hearts and minds, bind them as a sign on your hands, and let them be a symbol on your foreheads.
      Hebrews 8:10 - For this is the covenant
      that I will make with the house of Israel
      after those days, says the Lord:
      I will put my laws into their minds
      and write them on their hearts.
      I will be their God,
      and they will be my people.
      The sacred service of the priesthood was to minister in the temple. Exod 28:1; Num 18:5-7 They were required to teach the nation of Israel God’s law and decrees, bringing His blessings on them throughout their lives.  Num 6:22-27; Deut 33:10  
      Under the New Covenant in Christ, they are the Temple, with His laws written on their hearts for a reason; again, to carefully teach the people God’s laws; His Word in Christ. 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Cor 3:3; Heb 8:8-10; 1:14; 1 Tim 4:16  
      However, who do both JWs and the anointed priesthood listen to and obey in the organization?  If an elder tells God’s priests to obey instructions that conflict with their understanding of God’s laws, what then?  He or she faces the grave decision to serve God and Christ, or continue in the twisted teachings of men. For those whose decision it is to serve only the Father and His Son, the “Beast”/organization/WATCHTOWER, judges them as spiritually “dead”.  They are “killed”, disfellowshipped, for their testimony of Christ.  Rev 13:1,4, 6,7,11,15; John 16:2; Rev 11:7; 12:11 
      Pearl Doxsey writes in “He Who Seeks to Save His Life Will Lose it” -
      “Please meditate on Christ and God's words, about the reality and necessity of our sacrifice:
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      Of course we know that thus far, this death today, is not literal.
      If we shrink back  ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) from declaring truth and the "death" which naturally MUST follow ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ); 
      what are we gaining? ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).  
      If we belong to Christ, we will confess his saving truths before men, and die for it ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). If we remain silent, then we are still in subjection to the law of the Beast... which decrees and enforces, that no doctrine but the Beast's, may be exchanged ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )  
      If we cower before that law, we disobey Christ's counsel ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )  AND ARE STILL MARKED BY THE LAWS OF THE BEAST.
      Can you see, JWs, that our lives are saved by following only God’s laws in Christ, not by some instruction that is strange, unusual, unsound or irrational? Matt 7:24,25; John 8:31;14:23; Col 2:20-23; 2 Tim 1:13; 4:3,4; 2 Thess 2:9-12  
      Thirdly, who is today’s “Assyrian” whose attack the governing body has you bracing for?  In irony and deceit, Satan has disguised his “northern” army that attacks God’s chosen people, as the Body of Elders who constitute “Jehovah’s organization”; yes, which operates as any other organization operates in this world - by humans.  Under the guidance and rulership of the GB and elders, Revelation’s “Beast”/organization has the intent of conforming and marking all of you as its slaves, both spiritually and physically.  2 Cor 11:3,4,20; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10  The teachings of men who expect total obedience to “strange and unusual doctrine”, cannot sanctify you, and most definitely will rob you of eternal life.
      “Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?”  Rom 6:16
       By being a slave to sin, one is a slave to “lawlessness”. 
          2 Thess 2:3 – “Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction”.
         Rev 13:15 – “This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the BEAST, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.”
      17 “But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.”  Rom 6:17,17   
      Dear JWs, what does it take to wake you up and free yourselves from the law of the Beast?  Will you turn to Christ, who speaks the laws of God?  Will you leave idolatry behind?    When the Watchtower quotes such as those stated above are placed side by side, there is no possibility of linking two totally opposing thoughts, into harmonious truth. 
      Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
      “666/144,000”
      “The Mark of Slavery”
       

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      I read a quote by someone who had written about the Edomites and their ‘perpetual hatred’ toward the nation of Israel, when Edom assisted Nebuchadnezzar to drag Israel away to Babylon. Ezek 35:5-9
      He said,
      “To afflict the afflicted is cruel. This is scarcely of man, bad as he is. He must be possessed by the malignant spirit of the devil, when he wounds the wounded, insults over the miseries of the afflicted, and seeks opportunities to add affliction to those who are already under the rod of God.”
      It brought my thoughts to God’s present spiritual nation “Israel” under the rule of a rebellious spiritual “Edom”, the “Gentile” Man of Lawlessness/Elder Body. 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
      Yet, how are the anointed ones under the rod of God?
      Although Jesus Christ warned his servants of the potential danger, God has allowed His people under covenant, to be enamored by “fruit” presented by false “christs”. Matt 24:23-25 These fallen anointed ones had previously taken the first bite of Satan’s offer of “knowing good and bad”, and gaining potential to weave truth with lies. Gen 3:5; 2 Pet 3:17 Under Satan’s influence, they have paved the way to destruction, through their own acceptance of his gift, bestowing on them power and authority over God’s anointed people. Matt 4:8,9; 2 Cor 11:2,3; Isa 28:15; Rev 17:5; 13:11 
      As the last military ruse devised by Satan, a worldly arrangement is utilized to sift and ultimately “harvest” each heart. These leaders are the puppets he needed to captivate and inflict harm on God’s anointed ones, under the false pretense labeled “the truth”. 1 John 5:19; Matt 24:4,8,11; 2 Cor 11:3; Matt.13:26,30,38-41 
      By also accepting this clever offering of poisonous “fruit”, God’s people have chosen an idol to lead and protect them, instead of relying fully on God alone. Matt 7:15-20; Col 2:8; Rev 8:10,11
      God allows this sifting to occur, which reveals our choice in whom we choose to serve – either Him, with our entire mind, heart and soul; or Satan and his seemingly illustrious…lies. Mark 12:30; John 8:44  Jesus suffered under similar testing by Satan. Luke 22:31;4:5-7; James 5:10-11; 1 Pet 2:21 Satan uses a strong (of “superhuman power”) corrupt delusion that overcomes the anointed and their companions in the time of the end. 2 Thess 2:9; Rev 13:1,2,4 
      Please COMPARE the two following quotes from the Watchtower:
      "Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking REFUGE in Jehovah AND his…
      … MOUNTAINLIKE ORGANIZATION." Wt. 11/1/15 pp. 3-7
      Can an organization that proclaims to be one's spiritual REFUGE be an effective sifting trap for Satan to employ? Amos 3:5;Ps 64:5,6
      Wt. 1974/12/1 pp. 728-734 – “The symbolic “TRAP” that Satan the Devil has set for those who trust in Jehovah God as their “REFUGE” and “STRONGHOLD”, is the EARTHLY ORGANIZATION that is OPPOSED to God’s organization, namely, Satan’s VISIBLE ORGANIZATION.”
       
      This rather confusing quote is implying that Satan’s earthly, worldly, and visible organization, opposes God’s true “organization”. Satan’s organization “traps” the unsuspecting, who believe they are putting their complete trust in God as their REFUGE, yet are duped by Satan’s powerful delusion.
      What is this quote signifying to YOU, JWs?
      The WT “mountainlike organization” is visibly distinct; and completely immersed in the operations of the earthy realm. It cannot exist without the world’s help, thus it is far from a “heavenly” organization, which would be spirit-driven by God. 1 John 2:14,15; Heb 12:22; 2 Pet 1:18 Its leaders rely fully on how they can implement not only your money, but all political and industrial aspects in this earthly realm. 1 John 5:19
      They are earthly men, without the knowledge of “heavenly” things. John 3:12; 8:23; 1 Cor 2:12-14; James 3:15; Col 3:1,2; Heb.11:1,2,8,10,16
      In the last quote, Satan knows what he’s implying, but do you? Should there be any devoted attachment to ANY earthly entity, that gives equal footing to, even outranking, our devotion to God and His Son? Isa 46:5 Can you detect the trap that Satan has so deviously set, yet has cleverly revealed in the Wt. quote? 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 12:4,13,15,17
      But notice what your earthly rulers ALSO tell you:
      Km 8/82 - “Jehovah God rightly expects each of us to maintain a DEVOTED ATTACHMENT to him AND HIS VISIBLE EARTHLY ORGANIZATION.”
      Rom 1:25 – “They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.”
      What sort of “created things”? Strong’s defines the word by saying, “in Greek writings the act of founding, establishing, building, etc.”…….
      ……THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION ***** “JEHOVAH’S MOUNTAINLIKE, VISIBLE, EARTHLY ORGANIZATION”.
      It is important to learn the details of YHVH’s authentic “organization” – the anointed Body of Christ; the Temple of God and His dwelling place. 1 Cor 3:16,17 Please, endeavor to learn truth from God’s Word.
      For this idolatrous choice, spiritual “Israel” has fallen under the rule of “Babylon the Great”, the “mother” covenant of death. Isa 28:15 Spiritual “Edom” has aided the trampling of God’s Temple by imposing their given authority to ‘set themselves up’ in the Temple of God for the purpose of conquering the holy ones, and bringing the power of the “holy ones” to nothing. Obadiah 1:3,4,10; Ps 37:7; Dan 12:7; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17 
      The area of Mount Seir, located south of the Dead Sea, commonly refers to the Edomite nation. When Esau moved into that area, his family mingled and intermarried with the Horite people. Eventually, they fell under the rule of Esau’s descendants and were displaced by Edom.
      As I glanced at the various root meanings of the name “Seir”, I found it widely describes a sinister place. Here are some of its descriptive connotations:
      “to sweep or whirl away”, “storm”, “horror”, “horrid”, “a horrible thing”, “disgusting”, “demon, satyr”, “to shudder in the face of something”, “to tear in two, split, divide or tear down”, “measure, calculate”, and “a means of controlled access to a walled city”.
      I think we get the picture, that through the graphic meaning of the name, we can transcend its description to the people that inhabited Mount Seir – a vicious, evil nation whose goal was to wipe out Israel. It shows me also, the similarities between Mount Seir and the “mountainlike organization” that Satan uses today to control access to the true Temple priesthood of God in the anointed ones, and to tear down spiritual “Israel”.
       
      “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you don’t go in, and you don’t allow those entering to go in.” Matt 23:13
      It is the horrifying “disgusting thing” that Jesus warned us about, and what we are to flee from, according to Matt 24:15,16; and the fourth Beast from Daniel’s visions that he describes as:
      “frightening and dreadful, and incredibly strong, with large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed,