THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE

[Witness]

Back at it I see.

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

So. The role of the anointed that you are among is to rule as kings over the earth, per Revelation 5:10

Wrong. 

"And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10   

Do you see this?  "ON".  As priests, they are God’s “messengers”.

Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
And people should seek the law from his mouth;
For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.

Angels in Greek means…”a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God.”

John 1:51 - And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Jesus was telling Nathaneal that this is how he would see the angel messengers/144,000 (and be among them) come down…

“out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ³ And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.  Rev 21:2,3

As a “new creation”, both spirit and human, Christ’s Bride, as well as Christ himself will have access to both heaven and earth.  2 Cor 5:17

Have you ever wondered how God would “dwell” with His children if not through the anointed priests/kings, who are His spiritual house, along with their Head, Jesus? 

1 Pet 2:5 - you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3:16 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Eph 2:21 - in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, ²² in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

This dwelling place of God's Spirit includes Christ.

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  But He was speaking of the temple of His body."  John 2:19,21

How can the Bride “come down from heaven” and not be on the earth?

Rev 22:17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And yet 144,000 (which I always thought was a lot) is but a drop in the bucket? The true number of kings is innumerable?

Just how many kings to you think the earth needs? Do they outnumber those they rule over?

I will let you research the Hebrew meaning for “thousand”.  You’ll find it on the internet.  I can give further symbolic meaning of the number, but will you care to read it?

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And your qualifications so that I should accept this future (and present) rulership?

Two, that I can see.

1) After a year as a Witness, you said that you were a king by partaking of the emblems.

Remember when you said you don’t always take time to read thoroughly?  Well, you don’t.  I said for over 30 years I never did partake of the emblems, rejecting my anointing for the entire time in the organization.

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

2.) You tell us day and night that the Governing Body are frauds.

They are. One of the signs of the last days to "deceive the elect", the called "saints", are 

"false christs and false prophets" showing great signs and wonders to deceive. Matt 24:24   

They are found directing an "organization"/Beast.  Rev 13.  Have you read this chapter?

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

With them, I can look at their track record. It is substantial. And what track record of yours have you pointed to?

You appear to love "great signs and wonders, the "high places" that are easily seen.  Isa 2:12,17,18; Micah 1:3

Is your version of "track record" of acceptability the same as God's?  Have they suffered for the sake of Christ, despised and persecuted for his sake, or for the sake of an earthly organization?  They are insulated from all "persecution" that comes from "apostates"; which is nothing.  They rule over their "brothers" in Christ.  Luke 22:24-27; Matt 24:48-51; Rom 12:16

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Am I missing something here? It is one thing to be critical of the GB. Many do it here. But to hold yourself up as a preferred substitute? Really?

I have never done that.  Please show me where I have held myself up as a preferred substitute over Jesus Christ, whom your leaders proclaim to be "ambassadors substituting for Christ". 2 Cor 5:20  Compare this reading in all other Bibles.  If you find any translation, including the Greek Interlinear, that reads the same way as the perverted NWT, please let me know.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Witness]

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

So. The role of the anointed that you are among is to rule as kings over the earth, per Revelation 5:10.

That I am among?  It is the role of every anointed since Christ, if they are found faithful and obedient only to Christ...and not to men.

[TrueTomHarley]

20 hours ago, Witness said:

And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10   

Does it really make any significant difference? Mostly you are quibbling over words, while not addressing the actual point.

The point is, that after a single year as a Witness, you become convinced of your anointing, with all its implications that you will be a messenger to everyone else, as well as a future (and in some respects present) king and priest.

Now, I would be nettled at the GB assuming that role, too, except that they have given serious evidence of their qualifications: They are the spiritual descendants of those who brought the truth to me in the first place, they are “jealous with a godly jeolousy” over those they have promised to hand over to the Lord in an approved state, they make every effort to shelter me from the storm, barring compromising on scriptural things, they are unafraid to discipline me in accord with scriptural principles if needed, and most have served for years of full-time service in assignments more lowly than most of those whom they ultimately lead. I do not expect perfection of them, just as I do not expect the bus driver to avoid every pothole on a dilapidated road.

Have you done any of these things? No. Or at least you’ve pointed to no evidence. Am I “impressed with great things?” Not unduly. But neither am I in a hurry to buy snake-oil that offers no evidence of its efficacy.

And here you rail about them being where their immediate needs are met. It is hard not to see this as sheer envy on your part. Theirs is no more than not muzzling the ox while it is threshing—and thresh they do. Are they amassing wealth for themselves, say in 401Ks? The day they leave Bethel, if they do, they find their circumstances very modest indeed. When R Franz left Bethel, he took away a lifetime settlement of 10K. For a time, he went back to being a handyman to support himself—and you probably railed about that, too.

[Witness]

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Does it really make any significant difference? Mostly you are quibbling over words, while not addressing the actual point.

It does make a significant difference.  Do you love the lie that the Watchtower has taught you about the anointed?  Do you know what you have been taught?  You made a misnomer that the anointed will "rule over the earth", which in WT language translates into, only from heaven.  I revealed the truth from scripture.  

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The point is, that after a single year as a Witness, you become convinced of your anointing, with all its implications that you will be a messenger to everyone else, as well as a future (and in some respects present) king and priest.

Oh Tom.  When you get this part of the story right I'll continue to answer your comments.