Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?

[Anna]

15 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

Both before and after and during the genocide, non-Witnesses helped him.

 

I have the book but I haven't read it yet....but the title itself "No greater love" tells me that this is referring to one specific group of people, and I am sure he is not referring to non witnesses as that one group.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, Anna said:

 

Protesting the mistreatment of all religions or people would be more of a political involvement than protesting the mistreatment of your "own people" your "spiritual family". Also, they are only protesting the mistreatment because it's clearly unjustified. They are not trying to change the government. 

https://www.osce.org/odihr/430985

.., and part of 1st Session of Conference in 2017  

General Counsel Brumley.
    Mr. Brumley. Thank you for those kind words, Mr. Hurd. And we want 
to thank the U.S. Helsinki Commission--Chairman Wicker, Co-Chairman 
Smith, and you particularly, Mr. Hurd--for hosting this briefing.
    It has been also very illuminating and encouraging to hear the 
words of Ambassador Kozak, Dr. Mark, and Dr. Collins. Their insightful 
comments confirm our own concerns about the situation of Jehovah's 
Witnesses in the OSCE region.
    There are over 8\1/2\ million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide. Over 3 
million live in the OSCE region. We enjoy religious freedom in 51 of 
the 57 participating States. The exceptions include Tajikistan, 
Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and, since last April as we know, the Russian 
Federation.
    When domestic courts have failed to protect our fundamental rights, 
we have resorted to seeking relief from international tribunals. Since 
1993, we have obtained 64 favorable rulings from the European Court of 
Human Rights and 11 favorable decisions from the U.N. Human Rights 
Committee. But, Mr. Hurd, by far the worst problems we are facing in 
the OSCE region--by far--have to do with Russia, so I'll be 
concentrating on Russia in my presentation.
    In 2006, the government amended its law on counteracting extremist 
activity. It removed incitement to violence as a component of what 
constitutes extremism. The U.N. Human Rights Committee, the 
Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, and the Venice 
Commission have all strongly criticized the amended law because it 
gives the Russian Government carte blanche to prosecute anyone it deems 
to be out of step with its version of what is acceptable. So, based on 
this law as it's been amended, the authorities concocted a three-step 
process to mis-categorize Jehovah's Witnesses as extremists and to use 
this as the foundation to strip us of our fundamental rights of speech, 
press and religion.
    The first thing the government did was to criminalize our religious 
literature. And it did this through bogus expert studies, and then 
backed up by baseless court decisions. They even banned our website, 
JW.org. It's worthy to point out, gentlemen and gentleladies, that 
JW.org is available worldwide with the singular exception of Russia.
    Second, Russia criminalized local congregations who had been using 
our literature even before it was declared extremist. Once literature 
that we had formally been using was on the extremist list, we removed 
it and stopped using it, but the authorities went so far as to plant 
banned literature in our places of worship so that they could later 
discover it and bring charges. And we have this on video.
    Then, third, it criminalized our religious activity at our national 
offices and in our local places of worship. So since this amended law 
on extremism was enacted, Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia have been 
subjected to the following: searches of their homes, places of worship, 
loss of employment, having their bank accounts frozen, mistreatment of 
their children by school authorities, detentions, secret video 
surveillance of their homes, monitoring of their mail, and intimidation 
to abandon their faith. This decade-long campaign culminated, as you've 
mentioned astutely, on April the 20th with the Supreme Court decision. 
The court ruled that the administrative center and all of the 395 local 
legal entities are guilty of carrying on extremist activity and that 
their property should be confiscated and their activity terminated. Due 
to a risk of criminal prosecution, we have ceased using our places of 
worship and our national offices. Our branches in Europe, Canada and 
here in the United States inform us that there is an escalation in the 
number of Witnesses from Russia seeking asylum. We're tracking three 
developments with particular interest, and you've mentioned them.
    The first is the criminal prosecution of Dennis Christensen; he's a 
citizen of Denmark. If convicted, he faces 10 years' imprisonment. He's 
been denied bail and held in pre-trial detention since last May, and 
his offense, singularly: he was worshiping along with a local 
congregation.
    Secondly, we're giving close attention to the proceeding by the 
government to take possession of our national offices. And this is in 
complete disregard for the fact that our administrative center, or our 
national offices, are owned by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society 
of Pennsylvania, a U.S.-based corporation, and that the national 
offices are worth millions. The government is nevertheless seeking to 
confiscate it.
    Third, whether an appellate court will confirm a decision by a 
lower court to declare our Bible--the New World Translation--to be 
extremist. The New World Translation is available in over 150 languages 
and has been printed over 20 million copies. The very same translation 
in Russia is deemed to be an extremist publication. For just having 
this in one's possession, one risks criminal prosecution.
    These relentless and coordinated efforts confirm that Russia is 
bent on a minimum of driving Jehovah's Witnesses underground. Now, that 
said, to date, we are not witnessing mass arrests of Jehovah's 
Witnesses, but as you brought up, Dr. Mark, there are 175,000 Jehovah's 
Witnesses in Russia. The government seems to be taking the position 
that someone can be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but you have to be one 
of Jehovah's Witnesses and keep it to yourself. Anyone who, in any way, 
engages in any activity related to our worship risks criminal 
prosecution. So the government is saying, in essence, you can be one of 
Jehovah's Witnesses, but don't associate with other Witnesses. Don't 
read your Bible or any of your literature, don't gather for worship, 
and whatever you do, don't talk to anybody about your faith.
    So we thank the many governments and their agencies, such as the 
U.S. Helsinki Commission, for your diplomatic efforts and statements. 
When we were at the hearing earlier this year--the Supreme Court 
hearing--the strong presence of the diplomatic community sent a clear 
message to the Russian authorities that the international community is 
well aware of what Russia is doing, and they're not deceived, either. 
They realized that these proceedings are nothing more than a thinly-
disguised effort to legitimize the government's goal of stripping us of 
our fundamental right to worship.
    And just, very, very briefly, I'm going to hit on the situation 
with Jehovah's Witnesses in Central Asia and in Azerbaijan. We 
mentioned that in Kazakhstan, we're caught between two camps within the 
government: one that seems to be leaning towards application of the 
rule of law and maintaining our legal status, and another component of 
government that is mimicking what's going on in Russia. We were banned 
in Tajikistan in 2007, and we continue to worship in secret. Uzbekistan 
is the second-worst offender of our fundamental rights in the OSCE 
region. Just to give you a capsule, since last September--September 
2016--there have been 185 police raids on religious meetings, 153 
convictions for religious activities, 148 fines. And by the way, these 
fines amount to 100 times the monthly minimum wage. They're not small. 
Seven Witnesses were jailed for religious activity, and there have been 
15 documented accounts of severe beatings by the police of men and 
women who are Jehovah's Witnesses. Witnesses are fined for even having 
a copy of the Bible in their home.
    With regard to Turkmenistan, we have the same situation. Bahram 
Hemdemov, a 52-year-old Witness, has begun serving a four-year sentence 
that he began in March of 2015. And his only offense, again, was 
worshiping with fellow believers. There have been some small 
improvements in Azerbaijan, but although we number less than 2,000 
Witnesses in that country, we have 18 applications pending with the 
European Court of Human Rights, and we have filed 11 complaints with 
the U.N. Human Rights Committee.
    So, in conclusion, we are gravely concerned about the welfare of 
our community in Russia. We are going to submit, for the record, a copy 
of my briefing and also a copy of a short video from Professor Heiner 
Bielefeldt--that's the former U.N. Special Rapporteur of Freedom of 
Religion or Belief, who commented on the state of religious freedom in 
Russia and gave particular emphasis to the situation Jehovah's 
Witnesses are facing in that land. His point was, or is, that as the 
space for one religion diminishes, civil society and religious freedom, 
in general, diminishes.
    Thank you, once again, for allowing us to comment on the situation 
with Jehovah's Witnesses in the OSCE region.
    Mr. Hurd. Thank you. Just a quick reminder about the Q&A. I'll ask 
each one of our panelists two questions. If you could hold your answers 
until I finish asking all of my questions, and then we'll eventually 
turn it over to the audience. We'll start with Chairman Mark.
    Taking advantage of your recent trip to Uzbekistan, in the full 
range of steps that they can and should take to improve their record 
when it comes to religious freedom, and, in particular--let's assume, 
for the sake of argument, that they're re-designated as a CPC--what are 
the most important actions the government needs to take in order to 
change that designation and improve the situation for religious freedom 
in Uzbekistan?
    Secondly, was there an acknowledgment, when you were there, from 
the authorities that their crackdown on religious freedom over the 
years might actually be undermining their efforts to counter terrorist 
groups and counter violent extremists?
    For Dr. Collins, going back to Kazakhstan for a moment, you've 
noted that prior to their 2011 religion law, at least in the region, 
they had one of the most permissive environments for religion and for 
religious freedom. Why the shift? Why the change?
    Secondly, I was particularly intrigued at your comments that in 
your research of Christian groups in the region, they rarely band 
together in response to persecution. I'm wondering what your best 
hypothesis is, or evidence is, about the ``why.''

It is pointless for JW Brumley to ask why there is a deterioration in religious freedom in one of the OSCE countries. As an elder, he preaches from house to house and in KH and JW Congresses, that JWs will soon experience persecution from all governments on the entire planet Earth, including OSCE countries. So he knows the answer to this question and he should not ask for it from a person who, I assume, does not believe in YHVH theology as presented by WTJWorg.

Secondly, WTJWorg is known for its exclusivity. Although the OSCE Conference and some other gatherings are an exception, due to JW hypocrisy, it is clear that a JW member must not participate together with a member of another religion in some joint society where they should reach some agreement or simply participate together in some ceremony or celebration. JW elders do not attend gatherings organized by the state where representatives of other religions are also invited.
A JW member must not go to a religious meeting of another community even out of mere curiosity. He may not attend a person's funeral if a priest of another church is there. Etc.
So this JW Elder, General Counsel for WTJWorg has continuity to show how duplicitous he is.

Nathaniel Hurd, Policy Advisor, U.S. Helsinki Commission (Moderator), Ambassador Michael Kozak, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, Department of State, Dr. Daniel Mark, Chairman, U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, Dr. Kathleen Collins, Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Minnesota, and Philip Brumley, General Counsel, Jehovah’s Witnesses (Left to Right, Photo Credit: U.S. Helsinki Commission) - https://religiousfreedominstitute.org/2017-12-4-congressional-commission-hearing-examines-religious-freedom-in-osce/

[John 12.24to28]

4 hours ago, Anna said:

 

Protesting the mistreatment of all religions or people would be more of a political involvement than protesting the mistreatment of your "own people" your "spiritual family". Also, they are only protesting the mistreatment because it's clearly unjustified. They are not trying to change the government. 

 

By that reasoning, the "befree2023" protest people and those coming forward about abuses (whether physical or psychological or emotional) in Japan and Norway and Spain are also doing something similar to JWs writing letters to Russia.

[John 12.24to28]

4 hours ago, Anna said:

I have the book but I haven't read it yet....but the title itself "No greater love" tells me that this is referring to one specific group of people, and I am sure he is not referring to non witnesses as that one group.

 

 

"However, when Ceʹphas came to Antioch, I resisted him face-to-face, because he was clearly in the wrong."

 

(Galatians 2:11)

 

I guess you'd have to read the book to find out, @Anna. Or ask Tharcisse.

 

I know some people who are officially labeled as "Jehovah's Witnesses" who do fit the definition of those who have "No Greater Love" in the sense of the scripture at John 15:13. They are people who don't follow the disfellowshipping doctrine and truly practice what Christ preached. I know some people like that who have shown courage and affection and have shown true Christian love for me and my kids when we've gone through a horrid trial (not the same as in the book, but it was horrid for us personally.)

 

In my experience on this forum, I would say that those here currently labeled as Jehovah's Witnesses have "no greater love" than those who are ex-Jehovah's Witnesses here on the forum.

 

In fact, I'd say it's definitely quite the opposite. They have less love. A lot less. 

 

Even the crazy, outrageous, negatively-disposed, troll-like characters like "MoiseRacette" and "boyle" have shown greater love to me personally than all the Jehovah's Witnesses here combined.

 

At least they'll talk to me. And that's why I came here.

 

(I am very imperfect. But I know that if Jesus himself came here and told you all that he was being shunned by the Pharisees, if he didn't tell you his name, but he told you that he was disfellowshipped by the elders, you would shun him too.)

 

The "Jehovah's Witnesses" treat me like refuse in comparison to how the "MoiseRacette" and "boyle" types treat me. Getting treated abusively by a crazy troll character is better than getting "shunned" by "loving Jehovah's Witnesses". If you despise the "MoiseRacette" and "boyle" types, you really should go look in the mirror of God's Word, because the "MoiseRacette" and "boyle" types are likely going ahead of you into the Kingdom.

 

"No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends." (John 15:13)

 

A disfellowshipped person was supposedly your friend at one time. Somebody you loved before you even met them, someone you would let into your home if there was a disaster, etc. As the original song goes "I love you even though I've never met you before." Then you abandoned them when a committee labeled them, without you even knowing what happened. You cut them off because of some elders book written by imperfect men, because of a false doctrine supported by twisted scriptures taken out of context. "Forget Jesus' example. Follow the GB." You abandoned someone in need. Rather than ask if they're okay or if you could help them, you totally abandoned them, because of a label rather than because of anything of substance. Does that sound like a real friend to you? Would you trust a committee of three imperfect men to pick out your marriage mate? Would you let them operate on your heart? They can't even figure out their own heart. Why do you let them decide who you should attempt cut off from the body of the Christ? Why do you let them dictate to you who to withhold love from? Jesus doesn't let them decide that for him. Can you even find anywhere in the Bible about a committee of three imperfect men in a back room and checklists and waiting for a year "for works that befit repentance" or anything even remotely like that?

 

Here is what Paul said about those who have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power: "From these turn away."

 

You can do what you want, but I will never again worship side-by-side with anyone called "one of Jehovah's Witnesses" who practices the disfellowshipping doctrine. God's Word forbids it. In obedience to that direction from God, I will shun worship at any Kingdom Hall or convention center until that doctrine is gone. The disfellowshipping doctrine is antiChrist and unloving, anathema to what is holy and reproachful to Jehovah's name.

 

But if I see those so-called "Jehovah's Witnesses" who support the disfellowshipping doctrine on a forum, I will still talk to them, because that is the loving thing to do. Even if they refuse to talk to me. Because I am one of Jehovah's witnesses.

 

"...and I certainly think I also have God’s spirit."

 

(1 Corinthians 7:40)

 

"I have become unreasonable. You compelled me to, for I ought to have been recommended by you. For I did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing, even if I am nothing."

 

(2 Corinthians 12:11)

 

"However, when Ceʹphas came to Antioch, I resisted him face-to-face, because he was clearly in the wrong."

 

(Galatians 2:11)

 

"Love" doesn't mean what you think it means. I will continue to resist you, because you are clearly in the wrong. When Paul resisted Peter, it wasn't because Paul was a "satan". It's because Peter was the one imitating the wicked one who resists the spirit of love, Jehovah's holy spirit, when Peter separated himself from others who had a manmade label that Jehovah had thrown away already. The ransom is enough for those who repent. The disfellowshipping doctrine is not Jehovah's way. It's Satan's way.

 

Jehovah's Witnesses as a group who practice disfellowshipping are resisting the holy spirit. Repent, please! The Kingdom of the Heavens is drawing near! And you are naked.

 

( @TrueTomHarley , I am in the first chapter of your book, I didn't get a chance to read too much this past evening, but I see you used the c- word, "cult". I used to defend the organization when others said "it's a cult" but I can't anymore. It is a cult. I wish you would prove me wrong. But your behavior and other "Jehovah's Witnesses" on the forum towards me proves it. If I had never told you I have the "disfellowshipped" label, your treatment of me would have been completely different. It's a cult. I'm not saying Jehovah's not using the organization to get preaching done, and I'm not saying He isn't going to refine things - you already know how I feel about that. But as far as, would Jehovah consider the disfellowshipping doctrine to be "cult"-ish? Yup. I'm sure He does. That's why He's going to let Jesus remove that doctrine. It doesn't belong with Jehovah's name on it. Enjoy your nasty Kool-aid while you've got it, if that's what you like. It's going to be removed soon, and then we'll only have the pure waters of truth and people who truly show "no greater love than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.")💖

[TrueTomHarley]

3 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

I am in the first chapter of your book, I didn't get a chance to read too much this past evening but I see you used the c- word, "cult". I used to defend the organization when others said "it's a cult" but I can't anymore. It is a cult. I wish you would prove me wrong

Part II of the book, entitled Apologia, is an exploration of all factors that may contribute to the opposition to the JW faith in Russia. Included are chapters entitled ‘Brainwashing,’ ‘Discipline,’ and ‘Governing Body.’ You may find what you are looking for there. I hope you do.

The meaning of ‘cult’ has changed over the years. Many groups that were once on one side of the word are now on the other. If JWs are a cult, it is because the Bible is a cult manual. If it is, they are. If it is not, they aren’t. As long as they find themselves on the same side as is the Bible, they are content. Let others squabble over the verbiage.

3 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

If I had never told you I have the "disfellowshipped" label, your treatment of me would have been completely different

You actually don’t know that. When someone resolutely trashes what I hold dear, I tend to leave them to their own trashing, whether they be DFed or not. Nonetheless, I’ve not said an unkind word about you, whereas some of those you label as ‘more loving’ have become so abusive toward you as to (presumably) be driven off the platform by its administator.

Sometimes people disagree.  I can live with that. Do not confuse recognition of that fact with being ‘unloving.’

[John 12.24to28]

On 5/31/2023 at 1:14 PM, Pudgy said:

Jesus forgave those ACTIVELY torturing him to death … those who had Not repented … because they “do not know what they are doing”.

 

On 5/31/2023 at 12:56 PM, Pudgy said:

The reason people “twist scripture”, as Fausto pointed out is AWAYS to consolidate power over other people, almost always to get their money.

The easiest way to do this to make people afraid to talk to each other.

The easiest way to do that, is to threaten families as well as the “miscreant”.

 

 

On 5/31/2023 at 12:39 PM, Pudgy said:

…… when the receipt calls for powdered sugar ….. don’t substitute olives.

 

On 5/31/2023 at 12:32 PM, Pudgy said:

I agree with the general idea of disfellowshipping …. beats being burned at the stake … but the whole of Matthew Chapter 18 tells how to do it.

It’s not Rocket Science.

It’s a cookbook operation with clear, simple, and specific instructions written down in the Bible. 

Very simple, unambiguous, easy to follow instructions. directly from the “Master Chef”.

Are we doing disfellowshipping as SPECIFIED IN DETAIL in Matthew 18?

NO

NOT EVEN CLOSE!

It’s as simple as that.

HOW to handle these things is so important that the founding fathers of the United States of America drew from Matthew 18 to put in the U.S. Constitution as an inalienable human right, protected by law the right someone had to face his accuser, face to face … drawn from Matthew 18:15.

You will know the True Religion of Almighty God, because it is Just, makes good common sense, and does not offend the natural conscience of righteously inclined people.

It’s not Rocket Science.

 

 

James is wise and has a more accurate understanding of the scriptures than the Governing Body.

 

@TrueTomHarley, I forgive you, because you don't know what you're doing. I am sorry for you, too, because you're pitiable and poor and blind and naked. I can't wake you up, but you will wake up when Jesus comes.

 

 

[John 12.24to28]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/delhi-minor-stabbed-murder-people-indifferent-police-rohini-shahbad-dairy-2386114-2023-05-29

 

"A man killed a 16-year-old girl by repeatedly stabbing and bludgeoning her in full public view. A CCTV footage of the crime, which has gone viral, sends shivers down the spine. But what is equally chilling is the indifference of the passers-by who didn't intervene."

 

(Can you imagine if she was known to be "disfellowshipped" and the people walking by were Jehovah's Witnesses...do you think they would intervene?)

 

I know @Pudgy would intervene.

 

"He who is faithful in least is faithful in much."

 

If you saw "abusive behavior", @TrueTomHarley, enough to note it and to think it merited the administrator removing the abusive person, why did you not think to comfort the "victim"?

 

"He who is unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous in what is much."

 

That is why the "tax collectors and prostitutes and sinners" and disfellowshipped people who know how to show kindness with impartiality are going ahead of you into the Kingdom.

[Srecko Sostar]

19 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares, and therefore is an example of psychological projection, [1] or hypocrisy. [2]

GB and 1975. They blame JW members for wrong expectations, misunderstanding of articles in WT publications and similar.

[John 12.24to28]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

When someone resolutely trashes what I hold dear

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Brainwashing,’ ‘Discipline,’ and ‘Governing Body

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

cult

 

Jesus resolutely trashes those things - the leaven of the Pharisees, the false doctrine of FDS/GB-Benefactorworship, and the satanic, antiChrist so-called "discipline" of the disfellowshipping doctrine. He is coming to trash them completely in the very near future. Will you shun Jesus too?

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If JWs are a cult, it is because the Bible is a cult manual. If it is, they are. If it is not, they aren’t. As long as they find themselves on the same side as is the Bible, they are content.

 

The Bible is God's Word, and at present many Jehovah's Witnesses are on the opposite side of Jesus' clear teachings. They should not be content with all of what the GB is teaching them, because a lot of what the GB teaches apostatizes from God's Word.

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Sometimes people disagree.  I can live with that.

 

You "can live with that", true, if the "people" you disagree with are just nobodies like me, perhaps...but what if the "people" you disagree with are Jehovah and Jesus? The Kingly Law of Love is not optional. It's a command. If you choose to continue disagreeing with that Law, it will not go well for you.

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

some of those you label as ‘more loving’ have become so abusive toward you as to (presumably) be driven off the platform by its administator

 

"Insight slows down anger." I have learned that sometimes crazy "abusive" types like the MoiseRacette and boyle characters are just coping with some issues and don't know what they're doing, or they're just fooling around. I prefer their company to some who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel, claiming to be holy and close to God yet disobeying Christ's clear command that is so simple a kid could follow it: Love Your Neighbor.

 

If the MoiseRacette and boyle characters were real, I am convinced that they would stop and pick up a beat-up person on the side of the road, because the person behind the puppets showed mercy at times during the discussions, which is more than I can say for those who kept walking on by during truly abusive situations, people who you strive to imitate and would consider to be in "good standing" as Jehovah's Witnesses, including your GB idols and Bethel branch people.

 

Today's Watchtower is all about how loving "Jehovah's Witnesses" are, superior in love to those labeled non-"Jehovah's Witnesses". The Daily Text was all about how important it is to go to meetings because people there care about you and want to be your friends, unlike those labeled non-"Jehovah's Witnesses." 

 

While there are sincere loving Jehovah's Witnesses, any one of Jehovah's Witnesses who follows the disfellowshipping doctrine as taught by the GB is antiChrist and unloving. For them to say "we are the most loving people on earth - everyone else is less loving than us" is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

40 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

The pot calling the kettle black" is a proverbial idiom that may be of Spanish origin, of which English versions began to appear in the first half of the 17th century. It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares, and therefore is an example of psychological projection, [1] or hypocrisy. [2]

 

"In reply he said to them: “Why do you overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition?  For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death.’  But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother: “Whatever I have that could benefit you is a gift dedicated to God,”  he need not honor his father at all.’ So you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition.  You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said:  ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”

 

40 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

Proverbs 3:11-12 New International Version
11 My son, do not despise the Lord’s discipline,  and do not resent his rebuke,
12 because the Lord disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in.

 

Jesus loves you, @TrueTomHarley @Anna @Arauna @JW Insider that is why he disciplines you. There is a lot of dross in the organization that needs to be cleaned off, and he wants you to help comfort others in the days ahead. But you have to wake up and put on your clothes first and stop walking around naked.

 

@Pudgy and @Srecko Sostar are already awake. When the tribulation hits, they will know what to do. They already know what it means to show impartial love.

[Pudgy]

32 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

GB and 1975. They blame JW members for wrong expectations, misunderstanding of articles in WT publications and similar.

Their greatest fear is that the waterfall of unending free money will slow down or stop. The accountants and lawyers are the puppeteers of JW theology, as we have seen in Sweden and Finland, and now Norway.

Years ago someone documented that when they globetrot all over, they fly first class or business class.

I have done both, three times in my life, because someone else was paying the bill. I even flew once as the sole passenger on a small Lear Jet.

I LIKED IT !!!!!

You can see the pilots and the radar screen, and through the windshield. The left seat Pilot turned around and asked me “Sir, would you mind if I “punched it?”.

I replied “Go!” and we went up at full trust and at 45°.

In what seemed like an instant we were at 47,000 feet!

I LIKED IT !!!!

I was even wearing a new Suit at the time !

…… VERY addictive.

 

 

[John 12.24to28]

7 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

The left seat Pilot turned around and asked me “Sir, would you mind if I “punched it?”. I replied “Go!” and we went up at full trust and at 45°.

In what seemed like an instant we were at 47,000 feet!

I LIKED IT !!!!

 

(Perhaps someday in the future you'll get to do something like this...😁)

 

 

 

 

"All things are possible with God." 🥰

[Pudgy]

Can God make a rock so big even He can’t lift it?