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Could this be the same "Deep State" that is fighting Donald Trump right now?

Globalists versus Nationalists.....

Globalists are unhappy that Nationalists have messed with their plan. They want to take down the wall between countries and emerge as one large sovereign state while Trump wants to put up the wall.... thinking good walls make good neighbors.

Interesting.

Who will win?

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Claudia: I can only speak on conjecture of the future.  Trump, I think, understands a little of what is going on....  but both parties have been changing laws to accommodate this Agenda 21 ...over the past 20 years. .If you go into the history of trump and the Clintons - there is a lot of blatant criminality in their past.  So as Jehovah says -they are all part of the  Satanic system.      If prophecy indicates the  UN global rule will win.... then they will win. ... no person can stop this.  NGOs have already been working in most local municipal districts to implement this plan and NGOs have been receiving money from American taxpayers .  Vast amounts of money has been disappearing from the American coffers.  I watched a program of a forensic accountant which says that 21 trillion dollars is missing - more than American debt.   I have also learnt that the IMF want to bring out one electronic money system - which will mean bankruptcy for USA because the US economy is propped up by the dollar exchange rate. This will mean that USA will have to bow to the real rulers of the world - the UN conglomerate and the financiers behind these utopian plans.  

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Anna - The originator of the subject you referred me to - refers us to the Bilderberg's.  If I remember correctly it was started by the Dutch king.  Yes, all the most influential and richest companies and persons in the world attend this yearly meeting..... and I believe that they are honestly trying to use their money for what they think is a good cause for the world - unity under the united nations.  They of course cannot foresee that it will bring the worst tribulation ever. The reason being that the idea sounds wonderful but it is just another version of communism.  They call it 'communalism'.  Communism together with atheism brought 40 million deaths in Russia, 100 million under Mao se Tung etc etc and today we have a good example in North Korea.

 Soros is also furthering the "no borders" agenda with his billions and has funded many organizations in USA to further this goal - some say to extent of 8 billion.  Most organizations such as black lives matter, Antifa etc has been infiltrated. Soros is also funding chaos.  He made his billions by creating chaos - funding organizations which generate dissidents or breaks banks and stock markets.  There are a few countries (in east and west) where he is a convicted criminal because of his subversive activities.  This happens when people have billions and use it for their own goals. 

The Agenda 21 document is available to peruse and the 2018 UN Compact on migration as well.  The conservation side of it is a good idea.... but the rest is control of all human land, control of food and water, minerals, migration - basically everything and together with 5G surveillance and electronic money - everything you buy or sell will be visible. 

In China at present they know everything about you and one cannot leave the country without permission.... having the right political credentials.   So in future we will not be able to buy or sell if we do not submit.   This is of course part of this new agreement - journalists will be re-trained to only print what is positive about this plan or it will bring repercussions in court.  If 20 countries do not sign - they will definitely circumvent it.   How do I know this?

We have a good example in EU. When EU was created it was only a trade organization - for unity in trade. When they wanted to make a parliament - France objected.   They went behind the back of France and made agreements with all other European countries and therefore the EU parliament came into being - a dictatorship in Europe.  France had to go along after this and is now a proponent of the plans .  EU - I call it a dictatorship because the law-giving body has permanent members which cannot be voted off.  They are making terrible decisions in EU and the members just have to accept or face the financial penalties. 

Journalists have been banned from next weeks UN signing of the Compact - only the ones who oppose the idea.  Many journalists who have researched Islam and knows about its political agenda have already had their funds cut off on Mastercard, Visa, Patreon and others.  THe idea that you cannot sell or buy is already here and most people do not know it!  Many people are disappearing off Youtube because their accounts have been blocked or their funding cut off. 

If you allow the hate-speech of  islam you are accepted and if you write against it - you are far right. ...... So people like Jordan Peterson who talks against the new gender politics (which is also part of this new philosophy ) - are classified by them as far-right .  So this is where the far-left and far-right is the propaganda divide.

All Islam countries are voting for this one world government because they think it is a way to forward their agenda of getting one world government under Islam.....  but they will meet their nemeses when UN dictates one world religion where all religions are acceptable and those who do not agree are in trouble.   The Bahai faith has its offices in UN building (they accept all religions as one religion and have been working with the UN since its inception) and the The Lucis Trust.  Read up about it.  It is basically a spiritistic organization.... 

Of course - the full extent of one world government may not be reached but UN is strong enough to push through its ideas. EU and UN are working together.  Why do I say UN is strong enough? 

The new post modern philosophy with its gender studies and female studies and its cultural communism ideas is fostering revolution at most universities!  It has been in our schools for at least 20 years and at our universities.  But it is now so strong it cannot be counter balanced.  The new gender studies in schools is promoted by the UN and EU and is everywhere.  It teaches young children about gender change, oral sex and anal sex.  The reason?   The world population is a concern and consumerism is a concern to the UN.  So any sex which does not bring forth babies is acceptable. Hence the new morality that UN will force on us.

Countries in Africa which do not promote these gender studies have been cut off from UN funds..... and they need it the most. 

I can go on.... but This is the new reality .....  the plan is real.... how far it will materialize needs to be seen.  But we all know Satan is a deceiver and many  powerful organizations have been working behind the scenes to get their part of the pie.  Monsanto/Bayer is going to provide the world with food......they already have more than quarter of the market...  and we know how evil they are..... if you are familiar with their history. 

I have to go.... but I find it interesting that bible prophecy is accurate!  Who understands these prophecies?   Other organizations .... or Jehovah's very fallible servants.

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49 minutes ago, Arauna said:

I can go on.... but This is the new reality .....  the plan is real.... how far it will materialize needs to be seen. 

Distilling many words into few words ... this quote seems to be where the "rubber meets the road".

Everything Arauna said may be true, partially true, false, or partially false. ... and for a CERTAINTY, none of us on this blog can do ANYTHING about any of it.

Nothing whatsoever ...... about any of it.

Zero ... zip .... Nada .... Goose eggs.

Somewhere in a parallel dimension known as "Toontown" Caleb and Sophia's pet laboratory mice are planning to take over the planet.

Will they succeed?

Stay tuned for breaking developments ....... or not !

 

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I put this here to make you aware.  There are far right conspiracies everywhere -so be careful.  But in the light of George Orwell's 1984 book - this control of speech seems to be part of the "big brother" which can only augur misgivings about this rule of the UN.   ..... and we have bible prophecy to back it up.  Their peace will be deceiving!  When they call that - we will not be deceived!

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I say what I think - it depends on how you say it  ...... and I am a woman!...... You see, woman do not have as big egos as most men.  It is a control thing with men or to be important or in charge.  Brothers have a life-long battle to learn to control this. Some acknowledge this and some don't.  If they are honest before Jehovah - they improve.  If not - they get themselves into all kinds of problems....

I am not going to argue with you guys - your are so negative and toxic - you do not even come close to understanding how toxic you are.... so lets leave it at that.

If you still want me on this forum then discuss the subject above and do not start to pull the GB apart.  

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Mr. Rook show respect for the subject...... who has now got the "agenda" you so quickly accuse others of.

I would like to hear your comments on the captioned subject UN Compact 2018  - that is if you have any..... OCD again - GB bashing.

 

 

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The United Nations is a collection of self-serving thugs with diplomatic passports, and almost unlimited expense accounts.

There are so many scams being run, in the name of altruism, that it is hard to keep track.

One aspect of running scams is to cloud the issues with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of words, as shown in the video you posted. 

This is hypnotism's SOP.

Add professors in white coats with pointers and clipboards, and an audience will form.

"Saving the Planet" has become the new civil religion, but the agenda is to separate money from Capitalists, and give it to Socialists and Communists, to "save the children".

...and of course, the Administrators and Carbon Credit Brokers plan to  get their broker's commissions.

It is all very, very seductive. 

Even the WTB&TS was a U.N. NGO for 9-1/2 years, before it came out in the UK Guardian in 2001.

But we see how the riots in Paris reacted to a 16% gas price hike, to pay for the fantasy of man-caused global warming.  Everybody is FOR the environment ... unless it cost's too much for gas to get to work.

People that are experts on NOTHING, getting paid to be experts on EVERYTHING.

I don't think anything will come of it, because it is all based on robbing people with finite and allocated resources, already on the precipice of bankruptcy, globally, nationally and individually.

As long as there is Freedom of Speech, enforced by individual firepower ... none of what the UN plans will happen, BECAUSE it will require a trillion dollars and more, in a world that already is more than 250 trillion dollars in debt, because of unfunded governmental mandates.

You cannot get blood out of a turnip.

Sit back, relax..... have a beer or six .... and watch the show.

Don't worry ... BE HAPPY NOW!

These U.N. and related machinations you see are nothing more than an incredibly expensive  complete fantasy "circle jerk".

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10 hours ago, Arauna said:

Mr. Rook show respect for the subject...... who has now got the "agenda" you so quickly accuse others of.

I would like to hear your comments on the captioned subject UN Compact 2018  - that is if you have any..... OCD again - GB bashing.

 

 

Arauna, you use words that you will not be able to "buy and sell". 

Do you see any connection to Revelation 13:16  It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead,+ 17  and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name+ of the wild beast or the number of its name

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On 12/8/2018 at 11:29 AM, Arauna said:

Those countries who signed are obliged to assist migrants financially and basically all people have a right to migrate....(no more borders).   

That would be good when Jehovah's witnesses will have to flee to a wilderness. If all could do that without visa application. For example if all would flee to very sparsely populated Far North Queensland in Australia.

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1 hour ago, Kosonen said:

That would be good when Jehovah's witnesses will have to flee to a wilderness. If all could do that without visa application. For example if all would flee to very sparsely populated Far North Queensland in Australia.

Sounds like a very good idea.

8 MILLION JWs, going to Australia.

Perhaps they can do it the same way the Kangaroos did it, after they left Noah's Ark, on the mountains of Ararat, which is in today's Turkey.

Although ... being 72 years old ... after having walked all the way across Europe, Asia, and the Orient, I may not be able to swim across several thousand miles of Pacific Ocean, like the Kangaroos did.

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@James Thomas Rook Jr. 

Don't worry about swimming. Revelation 12 talks about flying.13  Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth,+ it persecuted the woman+who gave birth to the male child. 14  But the two wings of the great eagle+ were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time*+ away from the face of the serpent.+

Here the woman represents the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses. Soon the persecution will begin and it will be wise to flee together somewhere until Goog attacks.

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I do think that the united nations is now forcing everyone to comply as far as possible.  Next week when they sign the immigration Compact one of the stipulations are that journalists would be 're-trained " to only speak positive of the plan.  Journalists who print anything negative will be hauled before the Human Rights court (UN Human Rights Org) which is an organization now run by mostly muslim leaders.  This Compact will basically get rid of national autonomy and replace it with open borders - to get all people equal - this is the goal and the dream.

Muslim leaders are voting each other in at the UN - this is why they (UNESCO) voted more than a year ago that Israel has NO history in Palestine at all!   So Rome in 70CE never happened???  and this organization is supposed to protect "heritage". 

At present - African countries who do not comply to the UN "re-education" of children are already cut off from much needed funds.   Google, Facebook, twitter have received fines if they allow certain kind of speech and are actually enforcing sharia restrictions on speech in many Western countries and of course also complying with surveillance in China. 

Independent journalists on internet are finding their funds cut off -  I used to follow and ex-intelligence analyst who served in British intelligence for many years.  His funding was cut on Youtube recently by Mastercard. Visa and Patreon doing the same.  Many people against this plan are disappearing off internet -  this is really happening- it is not a conspiracy.  

These global corporations have digital clout and their master is the EU/UN  with its utopian  ideology.  All global corporations are now staking their claims and influence to supply the future food, housing, water, property for this plan.  Monsanto is one of them.   All food, water etc will be rationed.... and all other utilities will be provided to you.  Of course - China is already getting ready for this... with huge empty buildings standing around.....  I always wondered what this was for?   Now I know.

I do not know how far the UN will get - but I think pretty far because the young people have all been indoctrinated with this new philosophy without anyone realizing how far it has gone. (this gender equality and feminism is part of it).  Many organizations in America has already been infiltrated....... so nationalism may just be a flash in the pan.   The IMF or world financiers will break the US economy by bringing in a global monetary digital system.  At present the US dollar is coping because of the dollar exchange rate which is propping it up.  This could disappear. 

The large digital Corporations   have been brought in control by legislation or fines to do the bidding of the UN masters.  Bilderberg and all these guys with their trillions have a dream of uniting the world under the UN and they are ideologs who really think that peace can come by providing everyone with one set of morals and laws and restrictions and control everyone.  Digitally they will be able to see what you are buying and selling and basically everything about you.  You will be classed as a favorable or unfavorable subject.... and there will be penalties just like in China at present.....

So do I believe we will see the worst oppression in human history when they only allow so much food to be produced for everyone?  And water and all your needs rationed? I think so.   It will be a tribulation all right.  The dream of satan and his lackeys to bring a wonderful, peaceful, united world under his UN governance.... 

If this happens then Jehovah has been so accurate in his predictions..... The GB have not yet said anything about it..... and they must be careful to say anything about it......I know that. What I see is that Satan is being drawn out of his liar.... he does not care what suffering he brings or if many people die - he is the father of death after all..... he just wants to see if he can manipulate things to get this done. All these people are under his influence. - the philosophies of the last 2 centuries has been leading up to this.  Communism was a beautiful philosophy but together with atheism it brought 40 million dead in USSR and 100 million dead in China etc etc.

The world leaders are so blind they cannot see that Islam is a dangerous religion - all people and all religions are the same - so they think.  They are using it to bring one government.  islam believes it must rule the world so it has infiltrated all the "freedom organisations such as women's rights (even though they have no women's or children's rights).  Iran etc. has been funding many organizations in USA. So when they have served their purpose - satans purpose - the UN will act against religions by bringing in their own moral set of laws.

This plan comes from 18th century philosophers and was picked up by Kalergi - go read about it.  There are other spiritists also involved.  This is why the Lucis trust is so heavily involved with the united nations and the Bahai religion....  I have not read this document below but I quickly looked it up for you  just to give you an idea what has been lurking under our noses all along.  See which prominent religions have been influenced by this way of thinking!

    Hello guest!

Yes - the world will soon see the biggest upheavals in 2 millennia.... it will start  with protests  and oppositions groups such as the nationalists ...but then protesters may disappear in the sea of control.

Satan loves to control - anyone who loves to control - has qualities of satan in their personality. It will show very soon!

I have a lot more to add... but I think the implications are huge for the future of the globe. I may not be around but I would like to hear how it played out when I am resurrected. China and these governments also want their stake.  What if there is a great war?   Then the UN will get its wish even faster than anticipated because then most countries will be so relieved to have the UN around and will willingly give them control of unity and peace in the world....... (this compact also talks in a very strange way of freedom of religions - it must be subject to UN thought). 

The 8th world government (mentioned in revelation)  will rule for a short period of time.  They will also restrict religion for their purpose.    I hope they put us all in prison together.... will that happen ? I do not know..... only our creator knows.  But he is preparing us now in a most loving way. 

 

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4 hours ago, Arauna said:

Satan loves to control - anyone who loves to control - has qualities of satan in their personality. It will show very soon!

This was the only thing you wrote which was not conjecture, and that I recognize instantly as the basis of ALL organized religion ... from a six person tribe in some wilderness, with a Shaman, to the Pope of Rome with billions of adherents, and a whole hierarchy of control managers.

Including the JW Governing Body.

NO ONE is exempt.

That is why the necessary and scriptural policy of disfellowshipping as we practice it today, includes TOTAL control of speech, through the shunning process, and the ripples of chilling morbid fear it generates.

Your above quote "nailed it".

It is worth repeating, and emphasizing !

" Satan loves to control - anyone who loves to control - has qualities of satan in their personality. It will show very soon!"

... but I did like and appreciate, and was very impressed with your analysis and reasoning in your above post, Arauna, and your ability to articulate it so well.

I just do not agree with it.

It is all complete theoretical conjecture .... and besides .... if ever implemented ... we will both be quite dead.

 

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Back to OCD symptoms! 

You love to pull my words out of context don't you?    The bible itself says that we must not mix or "greet" with anyone who does certain things - you are familiar with the list of actions. So you have 'convenient amnesia' of these scriptures - - UNLESS of course you have disrespect for it and you are now using my words to forward your own agenda.

So please control the OCD and get back to the subject of human rulership and Agenda 21 - the 2018 UN compact.

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General principles have context .

" Satan loves to control - anyone who loves to control - has qualities of satan in their personality. It will show very soon!"

There are people like the U.N., and even our own Governing Body, who rule with the finest altruism and the very BEST of intentions.

... but they INTEND TO RULE.

What you stated was a general principle applied to YOUR context.

So it was to mine.

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If you do not have the mark  - if you are dissident - you will not have many rights.  They are already curbing rights of those individuals who are objecting....  Visa, Mastercard and patreon.  It is only the beginning of these restrictions but when we get digital currency they can watch all your buying and selling - because all banking will be digitized - it will be like the present Chinese surveillance.  They will know everything about you.

I live in Sweden and everything is almost totally digitized.  Parking spaces digitised - almost no cash used anywhere.  Swish is used and easy card payments everywhere!

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Unfortunately - this item is just available on the far-right news. But this is indicating how subtly the local authorities are working to get this Agenda 21 completed before 2030.   Watch this and give your comments:  This is land appropriation under "sustainability" - one of the buzz words for  Agenda 21. 

    Hello guest!

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I disagree:

Even today, EVERYWHERE in the United States, a tax lien is put on your property January 1st of each year ... and if you do not pay your property taxes during that year, your property is confiscated and sold at auction to pay the property taxes.

This has been true since Colonial times., and is probably true in every country in the world.

I looked at the video, and as I used to live in California, three separate times ... I know it has evolved into a tyranny of liberal malignancy ... and I would not go back there, even for employment.  The entire world is gravitating toward a tyranny  of rules and regulations.

Enforcement of that means that you lose your money, your liberty, and your property.  Nothing new there.

So, Arauna, can you please tell me what exactly "Agenda 21" has to do with this California Video?

And, how do you define "sustainability", in this context?  Does "sustainability" have a nuanced meaning for "Agenda 21"?

 

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5 hours ago, Arauna said:

Watch this and give your comments:  This is land appropriation under "sustainability" - one of the buzz words for  Agenda 21. 

I watched the videos. Also have delved into a site called the North Western Research Institute. This site displays most of the actual quotes that inform the same quotes and points made by Henry Lamb in the first video.

    Hello guest!

The Biodiversity Project and  Wildlands Project which are key to this argument are also well-documented on the site. For example: 

    Hello guest!

The second video about the travesties of local governments using code violation law to confiscate money and ultimately property is a separate issue. Once "Agenda 21" has become a buzzword for a conspiracy, it becomes like all great conspiracies so that anything and everything bad feeds into it, and nothing can ever undermine it. A really good conspiracy is somehow "proven" even more strongly by direct evidence against it, or completely unrelated and irrelevant evidence. There are huge contradictions between the second "code violation" video and the core "Agenda 21" conspiracy.

But I think there is a real connection between the two, and it should not surprise anyone who has watched the actions of imperialist powers in support of fascist states and "American Interests" (Western corporate agenda).

There are many fears about "Agenda 21" which are legitimate, and there is a lot of truth expressed by Henry Lamb. He is also a deceiver, perhaps not deliberately, but it is obvious that he is using some of the quotes completely out of context to whip up fear and support for an activist movement. But there is also a lot to be said for activist movements; these "mini-revolutions" have sometimes been the primary (or sometimes the ONLY) factor in achieving civil rights against those tyrannies who would trample them. (And it's not just a federal, state or local government, but a TYRANNY can sometimes be a Walmart, Google, Verizon, Facebook, AT&T, Amazon, Tesla, Uber, Microsoft, Vatican, International Monetary Fund, Exxon/Mobil, World Bank, Chase Manhattan, Goldman Sachs, and Apple among many others.)

After reading much more of the information AGAINST Agenda 21 and looking up the source quotes, I'm convinced that Agenda 21 itself is a good faith effort to do something useful and necessary. In fact, everything in it, sustainability, biodiversity, etc., is a very important part of doing the right thing for all humans based on the very best information that engineers and scientists and researchers can obtain. Revelation speaks of Jehovah 'bringing to ruin those ruining the earth.' Therefore it is also in many ways, a very Christian/Biblical agenda, in its attempt to do the right thing. 

All of the points taken out of context about percentages of land that should remain wilderness, additional lands that should be marked as wilderness, buffer zones, etc., -- all these points are based on fear-mongering that is completely unrelated to the words of the study. It's not just out of context, it's making up of stuff that isn't even there in the original source material. The studies themselves are designs for 'best practices' for rural and wilderness land use, and will become more and more important as more people die from fires, climatory disruptions, etc.

The Morocco Intergovernmental Conference on the Global Compact for Migration is apparently another good faith effort to present to the world the dangers in unmonitored and unassisted migrations. When wars result in mass migrations, for example, more people die from the migration than ever die in the wars. Attempts at genocide have been nearly accomplished through forced migrations. Mankind's history has contained hundreds of examples of fear-stoking about migration, and those fears are sometimes warranted and useful. (Look at what happened to the Native American populations for example, when the Europeans migrated here and forced native populations to migrate long distances unassisted. Look what happened when the U.S. found ways to push Mexicans from their land and finally steal it from them in Texas, Colorado, Arizona and California back in the 1840's.)

We should be careful that we don't easily fall for propaganda against "law and order" when this very propaganda is often intended to trick the average person into helping powerful, wealthy "interests" to undermine "law and order" worldwide, for their own benefit.

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One of my Tom Irregardless characters’ ancient Dads, I think it was Oscar Oxgoad, would stare at Trump on the TV screen and mutter “He’s the one! He will start it all!”

He has said it of every President since Truman. 

Not to make light of any previous posts. They all sound weighty and might well turn out to be so. Just had to slip this one in, so as to hoodwink some into thinking that I am carrying my weight.

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It has nothing to do with property taxes but with 'environmental codes' which are enforced in a tyrannical way. Codes are changed by stealth to obtain environmental sustainability in line with Agenda 21 for 21st century.  They want this completed by 2030. 

Therefore, there is the urgency to push migration into  certain areas to redistribute wealth and get people off property and into high rise buildings.  They plan to have good transport in cities (trains, trams, busses etc.) so private cars will not be needed. All wonderful ideas.  

Monsanto/Bayer is one of the companies to provide food!  (This is really troublesome!)  It is a system where all the global and powerful companies are now putting in stakes for the future. Water will be controlled and food production controlled and rationed as well. Control of consumerism is a good thing - things will be rationed!   If you are a bad citizen - beware!  I agree with you that all is done in 'good faith' . 

The Bilderberg meetings once a year where all the rich and powerful are meeting in privacy are "good faith " meetings where they all talk about this and the progress already made and new problems.  The upper echelons of our world really believe they will bring the earth into a condition of cooperation and peace.  This was after all what the founding fathers of the UN wanted - when Elena Roosevelt recited the Theosophical creed when the UN was formed! 

I too believe in environment sustainability. I know the scripture in Rev 11:18 very well.  I know all about the water that is poisoned in USA and the poisoning of the earth and the pollution of the sea and water.  Coming form Africa,  I too am appalled that we have lost 50% animals in 20 years and I read recently that 20 elephants were shot in one session and their tusks taken - apart from all the other incidents.  The last black rhino in North Africa was killed recently.  Agreed - drastic measures are necessary. 

Since humans are not cooperating to get things done and there are environmental deniers putting out crazy paid-for studies - the UN is going on with this plan without the populous' consent.

Maybe we will inherit an earth with some wilderness areas and a few hundred animals left after all!  

I am bringing attention to this: Humans cannot govern humans successfully - especially when a few autocrats with huge egos do it .  The EU is a very good example of this.  What is going on in Europe is a farce!  I truly believe these people are blinded by satan when they cover up all the rapes and killings going on daily!  I have my sources to get this information but they soon will be de-funded. 

This is an usurping of authority at local level to complete UN plans.  If you do more research you will find that there are certain areas they want to designate wilderness areas - but at present people are living there.  So (if you listened well to the presentation  and read what you said you did - they want to amalgamate rural areas into major areas to be able to control land, water and all mineral resources.)

I would call - the pushing of these compliance "codes" through on ordinances (and sidestepping the laws already in place); allowing a home-owner to be billed thousands of dollars as a form of landgrab - to get them off the land.  The landowner is guilty until proven innocent - contrary to laws of the land.  All kinds of fees including legal fees have to be paid by the land owner - so they lose their house for violating new environmental "codes" - I would call that tyranny.  Just one incident is too much for hard-working people - it is called injustice. 

So if this is the form the justice that is starting to taking place - what do you think the actual rule will be like?  When the nations give their rule over for a short period of time to this UN will it be better than what we have?  A short time when the environment will be more important than the people.....?.   maybe Jehovah is drawing Satan out so he inadvertently gets part of the job done before Armageddon - thinking he can fix and rule the earth - who knows?

State laws were brought in to stop this - but local NGOs are going ahead with these UN plans.  Local governments and NGOs are receiving money for this from billionaires and also from money syphered off the federal government.  (This is why I feel that Trump is a flash in the pan..... I could be wrong.... but this planning and maneuvering has been going on for years.  This agenda will win.

A forensic accountant, who worked for the government , says that 21 trillion dollars is missing. She was joined by a professor and his students who went through the government ledgers and info online and confirmed her suspicions.  She thinks part of it  it has been used to implement agenda 21 behind the scenes.  Time will tell.  US nature reserves such as Yellow Stone are already falling under UN control as heritage sites  - did you know that?

Ever wondered how the UN will get back its teeth?   It has it already - by all the richest people on earth believing that this new form of governance - called Communalism"  will bring an utopia to the world.  I know that human, and especially UN government, is not going to work.  There is a prophecy against it.   Will I oppose it?  Definitely not.  It is gone way too far and anyone speaking against it will soon be shut up because of the Compact signed this week.  Those in ignorance of it will remain in ignorance of it. 

The new post modern philosophy which hates god (patriarchy) and has its gender engineering is a major part of it , is also being pushed by the UN.  Any form of sex is acceptable except the kind which brings forth children.  The new morality is already pushed onto young children in schools without their parents being aware of it.  Vaccines may help to control population.  It may be part of the plan - bill gates has been talking openly about it. 

All agencies in the UN are working together to implement this plan - hence the education department pushing all these new moral ideas on children and students at university level too.  Ever wondered why there is so much hate and chaos at universities - the new philosophy. The top echelons of the education departments in most countries have already been brain-washed during the past 20 years to accept these ideas and view it at crucial in new school curriculums.

We have seen this form of re-training of journalists and land reform before -  in Russia and China...

I believe we will see the worst tribulation ever when they start to schedule the production of food and possible the rationing thereof.  If you have read about the inside workings of Russia regarding the production and rationing of food as well as the forced equalizing of society - you will have a good idea what is waiting.  

How far they will get - I do not know.  All I know is - I am informed and will watch from the sideline, if I am still alive, how everything starts to implode - right on time for the Bible prophecies to be fulfilled. 

EU is fast approaching the time when the UN can step in.  Paris is in flames and many countries here are in culture shock due to too rapid migration.  The Compact forces countries to supply necessities to migrants.  Old people who paid into the social system are being put out of their homes to accommodate migrants - who actually are violent and unappreciative.  They have the attitude that they have rights and wants and it must be accommodated.   The press do not write about it.  An old lady on Sweden was brutally attacked on her bike.  She awoke in hospital and when she recovered she put it on FB.  She got a 2 year prison sentence.  This is not the only case but the easiest one to write about quickly.

Their beautiful dream of ruling the world under Satan will have to be broken up by Jehovah - no one can stop it..  This is already too powerful to contain.  The UN is going ahead behind every ones back and they are penalizing organizations which are not cooperating - Google got a fine.  Silencing of speech is already here! 

They banned all journalists from the Compact signing ceremony and the Compact itself has a clause which can be enforced in Human Rights Court (which recently ruled that all blasphemy against the "Prophet of peace" is valid to be prosecuted).... so soon the preaching will have to be done very, very carefully!  The Compact clearly states that journalists must be re-trained and that opposition to the plan will have legal consequences.  ..... International human rights court.  

If you have not realized this yet - the migration Compact is to get everyone "equalized".  A redistribution of wealth.... kinda nice version of world-wide communism. 

This is only my opinion - but I think the spot is on bible prophecy.  Satan really thinks he can have one world government and peace!   He will try to force all into one world government if he can do so!   How far he will get - I do not know.....  

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On 12/10/2018 at 10:52 AM, Kosonen said:

@James Thomas Rook Jr. 

Don't worry about swimming. Revelation 12 talks about flying.13  Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth,+ it persecuted the woman+who gave birth to the male child. 14  But the two wings of the great eagle+ were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time*+ away from the face of the serpent.+

Here the woman represents the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses. Soon the persecution will begin and it will be wise to flee together somewhere until Goog attacks.

To be more specific the “woman” is a heavenly covenant/promise.  Gal 4:21-26  It is the New Covenant.

“But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." 

 The “mother” is symbolized by Sarah, the “free woman” - vs. 31

“And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.”  Mark 14:24

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." Rev 12:1,2

These stars represent anointed ones, beginning with the twelve apostles, and who belong to this “mother”/covenant.    Dan 12:3; Isa 49:6; Matt 5:14,15; Phil 2:15; Rev 1:20

The New Covenant promise for a seed/child will be fulfilled when the full number of the “144,000” are sealed. “She” labors through the distress each anointed one experiences during the battle of truth against lies. John 16:20-23    Either Satan “wins” them over with his lies, or they gain victory over him by representing Christ’s truth.  Rev 12:17,10-12

The woman is not the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses where they flee into the woods somewhere and are fed real food.  Gog has already been at work deceiving and persecuting the saints when “she”, represented by those who belong to her, flees to the wilderness as the “slain” carcass, and is fed by Christ.  Rev 20:7-9; 3:20  They have left the organization, disfellowshipped by the "Man of Lawlessness" elder body that rules over the anointed.  John 16:2; Rev 13:15  Those that flee have rejected the “mark of the Beast” and instead, have written on their “foreheads” the seal and name of God. Rev 13:16,17; 14:1; 22:4 Gog and Magog are Revelation’s Beasts who “kill” those refusing to “worship” or give reverence to an organization/Beast as their source of salvation.  Simply, very simply, they recognize their salvation is found only through Christ.  2 Cor 11:3

All of this is happening right under the nose of each JW;  yet they look a thousand miles away to the Satan’s visible “machinations” for fulfillment, which is just what he wants them to do.       

“And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife.33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two [

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Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” Luke 17:26-37

Matt 24:15,16 - “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The heavenly woman which gives birth to a "heavenly kingdom" is not earthly congregations!  It is the same woman which is referred to in Gen 3:15...a heavenly woman - just as the 'bride' will be heavenly.  

Galations  compares the two covenants (Moses and Jesus) to show that we are no longer under law - and are free from any "laws" under Christ - the woman "above" is free!  

We are now under principals which we ourselves need to put into action.   Total freedom - but with responsibility..... even now I think the earthly class to not grasp that they are similar to anointed.  They have to follow the principals and love of Jehovah by free will and self-control.... and they can also be taught by Jehovah because we are already under Zion.  We do not need rulers.  We are already under total freedom under rule of Christ.  Our obligation is justice and love...... and keeping without blemish from the world..... and we all learn this from the bible and improve our behavior daily.

The woman is not earthly.

 

 

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James - I am living in Sweden at present.  Next year we are moving to Georgia.... I have already started to learn the language. Stopped learning Swedish.  It is sufficient to get by for now. 

I am in Arabic congregation at present.  There are individual adherents to the "religion of peace" which are attending meetings but they often change their name... and friends... 

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This is  not about individual properties  " between other properties in suburbs" who can lose their homes.   This is about large areas where the people are deliberately targeted to get the land free from any homes... 

This is different.... not a property tax issue but a "environmental code" issue.

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@Arauna "James - I am living in Sweden at present.  Next year we are moving to Georgia.... I have already started to learn the language. Stopped learning Swedish.  It is sufficient to get by for now. "

That is interesting, l am also living in Sweden. And I have also been learning arabic. My parents are in a Arabic congregation in Eskilstuna. May I ask you where is the arabic congregation you attend? If it is sensitive to reveal it here post me at my e-mail at byggjn@gmail.com 

I live in Skärholmen. I think there is also a arabic congregation still.

 

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9 hours ago, Arauna said:

The heavenly woman which gives birth to a "heavenly kingdom" is not earthly congregations!  It is the same woman which is referred to in Gen 3:15...a heavenly woman - just as the 'bride' will be heavenly.  

The anointed are the first “heirs of a promise” made to Abraham  – of a covenant promise. Rom 8:17  The completed Bride becomes the fulfilled promise/woman/“Sarah”, which is the New Covenant/New Jerusalem/Jerusalem above.  The Bride, joined with her husband, Jesus Christ, brings life to the rest of Abraham’s seed.

“Jerusalem above” (Gal 6:24) is the dwelling place of God’s Spirit, which is found in the anointed hearts.  1 Cor 3:16,17

And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.  Rev 22:17

The anointed are “Daughter Zion”, the Israel of God.  Gal 6:15,16; Rev 14:1  Zion cannot be an earthly organization when it is already found within the anointed. 

Once sealed, they become part of “heaven”…

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels  Heb 12:22

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Galations  compares the two covenants (Moses and Jesus) to show that we are no longer under law - and are free from any "laws" under Christ - the woman "above" is free!  

The anointed carry God’s laws within their hearts.  It is each one's responsibility as a priest to teach them to the "people".  Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9 

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."  Heb 8:10

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.  Matt 5:17-20

 However, it cannot be done under the GB's rule,  who carry their own laws within their hearts, expecting all to obey them.  

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.    Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.      They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”  2 Pet 2:1,2,19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just saw this news item: Google is supporting snitching on neighbors - This technology will  probably eventually be used in the west.   (No gulag  but the death penalty for blasphemy)  In Pakistan so many Christians are being accused of blasphemy and are dying.  The children are  enslaved and their parent's possession taken.

"Thanks to Google, blasphemy app is now a thing for folks in Indonesia who don’t approve of each other’s behavior.

Journalist Laura Loomer (who herself was

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for ‘blasphemy’ against Congresswoman-elect Ilhan Omar) reports the app was approved by Google at the request of the Indonesian government.

While Indonesia has strict blasphemy codes against hostility, hate and contempt against religion, it’s also the country which sourced the Islamic renewal movement. Islamic renewal is in the vein of Muslim reform and urges tolerance and critical thinking within the context of faith and theology.

However, technological surveillance communities initiated by peers within that community is a very slippery slope, particularly when the app is used to address “

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” behavior, which can mean anything." 

 

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@Witness wrote:

To be more specific the “woman” is a heavenly covenant/promise.  Gal 4:21-26  It is the New Covenant.

“But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." (end of quote)

I don't question that. But a symbolic God's woman can have several forms. There is a symbolic heavely woman. That has been there for longtime. Genesis 3:15 testifies about that. But at the same time the fleshly Israel was symbolically God's earthly woman and he spoke of himself as a husband of Israel.Here is the scripture:

Isaiah 54:5  “For your Grand Maker is as your husband, Jehovah of armies is his name,And the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. He will be called the God of the whole earth. 6  For Jehovah called you as if you were an abandoned wife and grief-stricken, Like a wife married in youth and then rejected,” says your God. 7  “For a brief moment I abandoned you,But with great mercy I will gather you back.

So let's remember that simultaneously God had symbolically two wives. One in heaven and one on earth.

So let's now look at Revelarion 12. Because it looks like it speak here simultaneously about a heavenly God's woman and an earthly God's woman. 

 Revelation 12:4 And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.5  And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod.

Until here this seems to speak about the heavenly woman. But the next things in Revelation 12 about the woman has earthly characterisrics:

 6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.

Here the wilderness is hard to apply to a heavenly place. And who are they that will feed her for 1260 days? The anointed have got the responsibility to feed the domestics. Matthew 24:45-47. I think it is talking about that. And similarly as the early Christians fled when the roman armies came to Jerusalem, so it will be wise for the Jehovah's witnesses to flee and Revelation 12 seem to be about that. 

Then again in Revelation 12:15  we read how Satan will try to cause harm to the woman with earthly methods: "And the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. 16  But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth."

How could this be about God's heavenly organization? Impossible!

If it is symbolically it does not fit heaven. If it is literally it does not fit heaven. So it must be about God's earthly woman in our time. Jesus' bride are the anointed. So the ordinary JWs as a group should be God's earthly woman.

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On 12/10/2018 at 12:34 AM, Arauna said:

You see, woman do not have as big egos as most men. ..I am not going to argue with you guys - your are so negative and toxic - you do not even come close to understanding how toxic you are....

Like those big dumb testosterone charged animals that live to ram each other with their horns just to prove who’s the man. It gets so old.

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On 12/14/2018 at 1:10 PM, Arauna said:

Just saw this news item: Google is supporting snitching on neighbors - This technology will  probably eventually be used in the west.   (No gulag  but the death penalty for blasphemy)  In Pakistan so many Christians are being accused of blasphemy and are dying.  The children are  enslaved and their parent's possession taken.

What is the difference between blasphemy, and heresy?

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2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

What is the difference between blasphemy, and heresy?

Blasphemy - the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.

Hersey - belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine; opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.

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On 12/14/2018 at 12:34 PM, Arauna said:

I agree with what you have said except last two paragraphs.  They are dissonant , screeching notes amongst some pure ones. 

Speaking of dissonant, screeching notes amongst some pure ones ...about 45 years ago I was listening to my car radio and  without any musical background was a large group of men singing in German what I thought was a German Beer Drinking song at an Oktoberfest, or something.  It was INCREDIBLE ... the energy, the power, the determination.  It got me excited!  I wanted to be a part of that group!  I wanted a big mug of BEER, and to wave it around, singing, too.

I only heard it one time, but I still remember it to this day, 45 years or so later. It was really SOMEthing!

At the end the radio host said that what you have just heard was a Nazi Gestapo marching song.

I was taken aback, surprised, and a little bit ashamed of my visceral reaction.

Since then ... I have tried to be a discordant and screeching note, whenever I can.

I also dodge and weave.

Just in case.

.... better to be safe ... than sorry.

 

 

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@Arauna Indeed. Guess where those (a few among many) affected by the fires in California will soon be going? Smart Homes.

The UN agenda seems like a joke to some, we are even called crazy, but in the end they do not realize how grave these agendas from the UN actually is. We already have NGOs doing some of the most absurd in the EU regarding migrants.

The people are gullible just as they were in Washington and Texas and elsewhere regarding the role the UN has regarding religion, just as they were when the UN also has their hands in the education system and how they are grooming out children, even in colleges and universities with utter subtly.

The one world movement of such ones will harm the people greatly and it falls in line with an Orwellian Future as read in the 1984 book.

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In Islam the penalty for heresy or blasphemy is the same  - death.   Indonesia has become intolerant.  The extreme form of islam is spreading everywhere now.  If one looks at old pictures of Egypt or Iran in the fifties - the women were wearing modern clothes and no hijab.  The new phenomenon is a political statement and women must adhere to this.  If they do not - they bring dishonor in the society to their husband and honor killing rakes place.  In Islam the behavior of women in a family is closely linked to the entire families' honor... so if a brother of a young girl who was alone with a man  for a while does not kill her - a cousin or extended family member can. 

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32 minutes ago, Arauna said:

In Islam the penalty for heresy or blasphemy is the same  - death.   Indonesia has become intolerant.  The extreme form of islam is spreading everywhere now.  If one looks at old pictures of Egypt or Iran in the fifties - the women were wearing modern clothes and no hijab.  The new phenomenon is a political statement and women must adhere to this.  If they do not - they bring dishonor in the society to their husband and honor killing rakes place.  In Islam the behavior of women in a family is closely linked to the entire families' honor... so if a brother of a young girl who was alone with a man  for a while does not kill her - a cousin or extended family member can. 

In Islam and in Old Israel and in other "only true religion" is very similar.  

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 says, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.”

About women. They are always in wrong and must be guilty .... because in Eden Eve caused all problems, too  :)))))) 

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

population control

Question? 

How will God in His Kingdom manage the global population number?

As i can recall JW was use one Bible verse from Genesis where God was command to Adam and Eve to FILL the Earth - and JW members used explanation that Earth will be Filled with people and not to Overfilled. But i can not recall about Official WT interpretation HOW will God stopped new birth, nativity. 

One crazy idea from GB member public talk was that in Kingdom when all come to perfection, all people will be brothers :))) that means - sisters will be transformed to brothers. And we have problem solved :))))))))))))))    

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Jehovah and his type of life forms do not need anything in this SpaceTime continuum.

This Universe is necessary for the sons and daughters of DNA.

It's a BIG Universe.

There is a LOT of Real Estate out there.

It was made so that the sons and daughters of DNA would have an endless supply of raw materials. and a place to live, prosper, and make more.

The phrase " vicinity of the Earth..." means the Entire 29 billion light year diameter Universe! (NOT HEAVEN ... for those in Rio Linda ...)

Sterility was ALWAYS considered a punishment, so it is clear by actual policy that God will NOT sterilize perfect people ... which would actually make them imperfect. (You can't have it both ways).

34 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

One crazy idea from GB member public talk was that in Kingdom when all come to perfection, all people will be brothers :))) that means - sisters will be transformed to brothers.

This is bat-crap crazy on the face of it! 

I goes well BEYOND just plain NORMAL crazy!

We are talking soggy Froot Loops, here.

Week old, left out at room temperature on the Dining Room table, congealed moldy milk Froot Loops!

In recent years, the GB have become their own worst enemy, demonstrating for all to see how they are not only uninspired ... but are generally and totally clueless about how the Universe really works.  The more they speak ... the more evident it becomes.  Almost everyone has a cell phone with a still and video camera built in.

This is the REAL reason why education is , and has been for the last 60 years so thoroughly disparaged ... so that perceptions are dulled and extinguished.

The following video is NOT the exception .... and staggers the imagination of non-hypnotized, non-policy agenda driven  adults:

 

Gravity Electricity Wind .mp4

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On 12/16/2018 at 2:20 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

In Islam and in Old Israel and in other "only true religion" is very similar.  

    Hello guest!
 says, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.”

About women. They are always in wrong and must be guilty .... because in Eden Eve caused all problems, too  :)))))) 

I do not recall the Old Law simply focusing on women alone when it comes to blasphemy. Regarding blasphemy in the face of God punishment in this regard applies to a man and or a woman, not a single sex alone. As for the last statement, a bit hypocritical much, granted women in the Bible, even you gave praise to two women before, despite you mistaking one for a man.

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@BillyTheKid46 Agenda 21 is in regards to the 21st Century and it entails the worldwide United Nations program for sustainable development that is put in a a local based level, something of which we see today that is taking place, with the idea of global thinking while at a local level (think globally, act locally). The other one, Agenda 2030, similar to Agenda 21, however, it entails the worldwide United Nations program for sustainable development that is put in a nation state level.

Both of them are progressing right now at the same time, more so, in the United Sates right now, so far we are only seeing Agenda 21 at play here. Some would say that the Agenda 2030 of the UN will ruin Western Civilization.

A population easy to control, easy to manipulate, easily move the people into smaller homes, to be monitored watched, smart homes as some would say, hence why since the aftermath of California, people are watching what is going on and what will happen, we already got smart devices that can hear us say something and do things as we command, like a butler and or some genie in a bottle type of nonsense, in a degree, our lives being intertwined with such technology in which the government can use to easily take the people without notice.

As for Education, Money, Religion, Government, all of this equates to the Global Mafia, and or the Establishment who seeks to unify all these things - hence the term New World Order, to which Truthers refer to such as a totalitarian Orwellian Future (pretty much what can be read from the book called 1984 by George Orwell). The powers that be are doing what is necessary to keep true to their goals and agendas.

Those who are unaware are usually the ones that are easily swept away, engulfed by the words coming from the Establishment, in this sense, brainwashing.

As for the year, you referring to the population increases/decreases? I would not say there is a difference, more like binding it's time, continuing to grow in power and resources so when they have to unleash all that stored up power, they would want to make sure that it's effect can be felt. Another thing is those who marry and have children with those of a selected group who are of this fold, so the children can grow up in this circle and when they grow up and are capable of having children, their children would also repeat the cycle.

As for population control, that is a large chunk of the pie of it's own, however, this is also included, as is within making a shift and or change to a populace, such as immigration in the US and other parts of the world such as the EU.

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Space merchant you understand the implications. It started with the beautiful thoughts of freedom, egalitarianism long before the French revolution.   Human philosophies has been inspired by Satan and he has been preparing for this world government for a very long time. ..... if one looks at the histories of these utopian philosophies and how it progressed until now.

I put a note on the other subject related to this which shows how spiritism and indirect worship of Satan is all part of this trend.  The Lucis Trust writes blogs for the united nations.  Read up about theosophy....  You may get a shock. 

I also found a link between Rosicrucian's and Islam...... and this explains so many things to me because many of the worlds organizations which have secret higher levels (such as free masons) are linked to false worship  and ideas of power in a one world government.

All these organizations are linked to creating a "counterfeit"  word government in opposition to Jehovah.  Satan does not care how many people are killed - he is being drawn out to create one world order to substitute the purpose of Jehovah.

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11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

As for the last statement, a bit hypocritical much, granted women in the Bible, even you gave praise to two women before, despite you mistaking one for a man.

hahahaha.... How it is possible that You can not see difference between Hypocritical and Mild Ironical quotes ??? !!! :)))) Have a good day Space Merchant. 

Mild Ironical because (my sentence is not strict official statement but it is more as response to Arauna's  description on how Islam looks on women behavior)  it is Directed/design for  Present  Auditorium. 

It is NOT Directed to female sex, as my opinion, belief or statement !!!! I ridicule those who have Macho attitude :))))

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On 12/18/2018 at 2:00 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

hahahaha.... How it is possible that You can not see difference between Hypocritical and Mild Ironical quotes ??? !!! :)))) Have a good day Space Merchant. 

Mild Ironical because (my sentence is not strict official statement but it is more as response to Arauna's  description on how Islam looks on women behavior)  it is Directed/design for  Present  Auditorium. 

It is NOT Directed to female sex, as my opinion, belief or statement !!!! I ridicule those who have Macho attitude :))))

You were not being ironical. Being ironical means to pertain to, of the nature of, exhibiting, or characterized by irony or mockery:

I only made a response because the lack of context in regarding Scriptural Law and the borderline. You were not being ironical about women either.

Macho attitude, the act of showing aggressive pride in one's masculinity. Truly I saith thee, as to which moment in time didth I profess such?

 

You of all people should know, Srecko, you kind of asked for that one.

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Strecko - the things you are saying is so absurd that no-one is venturing to answer you.  I do not want to get into an argument with you but you have a lot of things totally wrong about what JWs believe.  Your attitude is not such that one can venture to help you to understand what we really believe.   I know your attitude is coming across as very confrontational  but this may be because English is not your first language.

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Srecko Sostar has a sense of humor, that comes across even across the language barrier.

I understand (most of the time) humor, Satire, and Parody.

It's only confrontational for those with a limited sense of humor, irony, parody, and satire ... who are not conversational in that "language".

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Talking about food rationing - I think, as things progress, they will slowly starve millions/billions because farming will be reduced and food rationed.  It brings the famines under communism to mind. 

Moral decline is happening daily in front of our eyes.  Saw a clip yesterday where the professor is drawing attention to a school in Ireland which is now teaching their students that boys can have periods so they do not feel excluded.   When they start messing with reality in such a way - what chance do the children have?

We will see the difference between the wicked and righteous clearly as Jehovah indicated. Lift up your heads......

 

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Just now, Arauna said:

Moral decline is happening daily in front of our eyes.  Saw a clip yesterday where the professor is drawing attention to a school in Ireland which is now teaching their students that boys can have periods so they do not feel excluded.

It's proof the male population is generally bat-crap crazy.

If I wanted to "feel included" .... I would not choose THAT!

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There are people who joke so much because this is their way of disrupting the conversation - or to get to the center of attention.  There is a time for everything and a good joke timed well is irreplaceable.  I do agree that some cultures have a different sense of humor.   In Sweden one has to say it is a joke.....  because they are so serious and do not get it when one utters an absurdity.  (Too many absurdities of course creates a different impression).

However, I think Strecko should make his own intentions clear.

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Perhaps he will comment, about my presumption.

I have found as a general observation the more snow a culture has to endure, the less of a sense of humor they have.

Hardship trying to stay alive sometimes does that.

Of course, if you are the Cook, almost EVERYBODY finds your jokes funny !

... everyone has to eat !

The Muppet Show. Swedish Chef telling a joke (317).mp4

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These days they are talking about 'virtue signaling' and 'snowflakes' in a moral high ground sense.....  but I presume you are talking of real snow.... 

Yep I can agree - although we have had a very mild fall and winter so far.  We have had snow but only one day at      -9 degrees.  The rest were just above or below zero.  But the bad days are coming  - the awful wind.  Last year my face got burnt from the wind. The only cream that helped for the burns was bees wax. 

Today is longest night.  So I guess we will have only 5 hours of murky (clouded) light. Doing field service so far has not been too bad.

 

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8 hours ago, Arauna said:

It brings the famines under communism to mind. 

I know that we almost got a discussion going about this, but most of the Western propaganda about famines under Russian communism were originally made up as Nazi propaganda. The United States actually hired some of the Nazi propagandists after the war. Because, historically, so many officials in United States have had such a fear of communism, or even socialism since the 1800's, it was useful and necessary to make up lies about the so-called purposeful state-sponsored starvation(s) and accidental state-induced famines through errors. Once the propaganda had taken root, the next stage of propaganda was to pump up the number of victims by multiplying originally claimed numbers into the 1,000s, then 10,000s, then millions. For China, some "experts" have decided they can literally get away with making up numbers on the order of hundreds of millions.

Most Americans and other Westerners never think to question the propaganda. Most Westerners and even anti-communists in Russia since Yeltsin have been happy to go along with the old Nazi sponsored propaganda. It either fits a strongly-entrenched world view, or it helps to strengthen a grip on the current power structure.

Here is just an overview of what actually happened with reference to the "famines under communism."

RUSSIA

No one doubts that there were famines, it is a good part of what led to the 1917 revolution in the first place, because the wealth of the czars was compared with the induced shortages among the commoners. It was similar to the French revolution of the late 1780's/1790's when the Queen was supposed to have said "Let them eat cake." A good representation of the way that the governments "induced" such famines can be found especially in the last season of the PBS series "Poldark" set in the late 1700's and early 1800's. In that presentation, the starving miners and fishermen watched their landowners and merchants illegally sell local grain and food to places like Portugal. They were not punished for the illegal actions, but if a starving commoner rioted in response he could be executed by hanging. These conditions were similar to the conditions in czarist Russia.

So after communism in 1917, there were still terrible conditions, but the famines were finally ending under Lenin's "collectivization." Under Stalin, famines were completely eliminated after the 1933 famine. The only exception was the Nazi-induced famines from the willful German destruction of 27 million Russian lives along with their means of production brought back a famine that lasted even for a time after WW2. It's obviously ludicrous to try to blame the Nazi induced destruction on communism but, believe it or not, some "experts" have done this very thing.

CHINA

China, once a very poor country with a very high percentage of poverty, suffered famine especially in the 1960's. To an extent agricultural policy contributed. (e.g., the "Three Pests Campaign.") But some of these policies only lasted for a short period and were scrapped when found to be not working. But these mistakes weren't the explanation for the famines, nor for the high number of deaths. A full one-third of China's arable land was destroyed by droughts in the north. And for a while during this time, extreme flooding and storms hit the south. Entire rivers had dried up completely. India suffered a famine at the same time killing millions, but the propagandists care very little about the famine in India, because it can't be blamed on communism.

Currently, who would have thought that it would be communism in China that would make it a global economic competitor? Who would have thought that it would be communism in China that has created more economic stability, economic growth, more stable (and better) unemployment numbers, lower incarceration rates, with huge gains in bringing a higher percentage of people out of poverty. It's still a developing country, of course, and a lot is still left to the global market, making it sensitive to global problems. Yet, in a trade war between China and the US, the US is actually being hurt worse, so far.

Capitalism has made a lot of dumb decisions, too, with instability and crisis actually built into its economic foundations. We have been taught to see regular recessions, depressions, and even financial collapse of large parts of the economy as just "the old normal." Our economists try to present the rules of capitalism, and "free market" as stable. Someone showed me their notes from a recent class at Harvard taught by a presidential economics advisor where he showed a smooth graph of economic growth/strength/stability throughout American History. When asked about 2008, and 1929, and 1876, etc., he said "these are just anomalies that we can ignore for the purposes of understanding the foundations of our economic system." In fact, it's just the opposite: these so-called anomalies (crisis/corrections) are so much a part of the system, that we would be going through famines here and now if it weren't for a counteracting, bullying military and foreign policy program that can plunder other nations for "American interests."

I hope you'll understand that this is no defense of communism or any other form of human government. It's just that we have been led to believe a lot of what we believe because propaganda and lies are a very important part of the governmental apparatus. Communist governments must also lie about Western and capitalist powers, too.

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11 hours ago, Arauna said:

Strecko - the things you are saying is so absurd

Absurdity - something that is 

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 or 
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"Absurd" quote No 1) In Islam and in Old Israel and in other "only true religion" is very similar.

 

Question 1: Is it Islam, as "only true religion", absurdity for Muslim?

Question 2: Is it Jew religion, as "only true religion", absurdity for Jew people?

Question 3: Does Jew and Muslim have something in common?  By Islamic tradition, Ismail is the son of Ibrahim (Abraham) and Agar, and is worshiped as the bearer/father of the Arabs.

Well, if Jews and Muslims consider their (separate) Religion as "Only true", that can not be absurd for them, but, can be absurd for other who not belong to one of this two religion.

 

"Absurd" quote No 2)   

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 says, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.”

Question 4:  Does JW members consider this command as "absurd"? 

 

"Absurd" quote No 3) About women. They are always in wrong and must be guilty .... because in Eden Eve caused all problems, too  :)))))) 

 Bible report told how Adam blame Eve for eating The Fruit. He was not take responsibility for own action.                         Even more, Bible text make statement how Eve (The Woman) is more problematic than Adam (The Man):

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.  I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.  For Adam was formed first, then Eve.  And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Question 5: Do You support this view how women "became sinner" and Adam is just passive observer and was punished only because he has been in wrong place, in wrong moment? Which quotes are "absurd"? Those in 1 Timothy or my expression of making laugh of doctrine that making women more guilty than they are?

 

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Strecko - Many of your statements are not reality because you do not have the accurate history of what happened and it is pulled out of context.

For example:  A muslim does not think it is absurd that Ishmael and Abraham were in Mecca and built Mecca. I agree with this idea of yours:- BUT if that Muslim wants to know the TRUTH he will not just be satisfied with what he learnt from his own religion.  He will test it for truth.

He will go and look at old maps and he will see that Mecca did not exist in 1943 BCE when Abraham was alive.  In fact Mecca is not found on any of the Roman maps until AFTER 150 CE.      Also - Ishmael is mentioned in the Bible as living in Paran which is not far from Midian (where Midian lived)  - both places are almost 1000 miles away from Mecca. 

Mecca was a wilderness until 150 CE when forefathers of Mohammad came from Yemen and started to build this city. In fact the daughter of Ishmael married into Esau's family and he lived close enough to Abraham so he could attend his funeral when his father died......  They had funeral within one day.  So he lived close enough to go the funeral with Isaac.

So this proves that Islam is not a Abrahamic religion because it was not started by Abraham but it was pagan religion before Mohammad. The sirah (life of Mohammad) confirms this.  There was 360 idols in the Kaaba and Mohammad made the god of his tribe  the only God and broke all the other gods. Mohammad thought the Jews would accept him if he said he was a prophet in line of Ishmael - but they did not and he killed them.

When Gideon defended Israel in war against Midian and Ishmael - they took all the gold ornaments from their camels and it was crescent moons.   The area where Ishmael was living was well known for moon worship.  So his religion was not islam. 

I can do the same with many religions - I can look at what they say and what is the truth.   I left my religion I had before because I investigated to see if it was teaching the truth according to bible and also looking at their historic traditions.... to see if it is accurate.  This way one can find the truth.

We honor Jehovah's name but we do not put to death anyone who violates the name.  When Jesus came to the earth he set a new example for us - to teach other people the name of God.  If other people blaspheme the name of the God of the bible (which many are doing now) we do nothing to them because we are now under the law of Christ.  We are no longer under the law of Moses.... So we wait for God to bring judgment on them.  We do not stone any longer...... so the context of what you are reading is very important.  Jesus gave us Principals not laws - and we follow this today.  Romans 6:14 "For sin must not be master over you, SEEING THAT YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW

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but under undeserved kindness.
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" We are no longer under the stoning law.

So I urge you to study more to learn what the bible is really teaching......

 

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4 hours ago, Arauna said:

We are no longer under the law of Moses.... So we wait for God to bring judgment on them.  We do not stone any longer......

The organization is under a spiritual symbolic stoning law, written in the “Shepherding the Flock of God” book.

There is a type of killing that doesn’t cause literal blood to pour out of an individual. This type of dismembering  isn’t seen with the physical eye.   It is a spiritual “killing” that the Watchtower has honed into a deceitful art, otherwise known as an act of love, and “keeping the congregation clean”.    Obviously, you do not recognize this killing accomplished daily by the elder body.    It is a spiritual guillotine that shuts the mouths, erases the life and severs a family member from their loved ones. 

This is an act of judgment according to the “creeds” of the Watchtower.

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

Jesus gave us Principals not laws - and we follow this today.

 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Matt 7:1-5

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.  Rom 2:1

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?  James 4:12

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.  Rom 14:4

Should Christ’s servants/anointed be judged by an elder body?  That is Christ’s job. 

"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom" “Jehovah’s organization”.  It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 (insert 8 million here) persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lord's people (anointed ones, as well as their companions) are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Wt. 1930 Oct 1 p.301

"Disfellowshiping means the casting of a member out of Gods household; and if one should remain in this disfellowshiped condition till he died, it would mean his everlasting destruction as a person who is rejected by God. Staying away from meetings leads in that very direction." Watchtower 1965 Dec 15 p.75

“Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship .”  WT 1952/11/15 pp. 703,704

 

They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.   John 16:2,3

Synagogues, (“congregations”) where the Jews worshiped.  Tell me, where do we find spiritual “Jews”?  The “Israel of God”?  In the “Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses”. 

 

The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

“If anyone is to go into captivity,
    into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
    with the sword they will be killed.”  Rev 13:5,7,10

The elder body uses its “silver sword” (Heb 4:12) at every judicial committee, and its own version of God’s Word to “kill”….disfellowship.

The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water,and they became blood. Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
    you who are and who were;
for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
    and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”  Rev 16:4-6

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21 hours ago, Arauna said:

These days they are talking about 'virtue signaling' and 'snowflakes' in a moral high ground sense.....  but I presume you are talking of real snow....

Speaking about snowflakes, such ones are just as annoying as the shills in today's society. Then we have the far left/right going at it and the obvious shills. They are in their own little space not realizing what is going to happened. Some of them think they realize the situation with the UN agendas and the migrants, but they go about things the wrong way and only hasten their own destruction.

It will come to a point whereas anything pertaining to God will trigger these people, so far only small instances, who a few, will justify the Bible as hate speech when they misunderstood things of the Bible; some of the blame is due to false Christians who are hate preachers and or insighters of infighting.

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22 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It's proof the male population is generally bat-crap crazy.

If I wanted to "feel included" .... I would not choose THAT!

It gets even worse, there are men who spend money to look like the male companion of the Barbie doll - Ken. Should you so speak of this man, you will only get a ton of swing and hate coming your way.

 

It is that society we live in sadly whereas such things take place, you do not know who is who anymore, or who is what.

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2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

It is that society we live in sadly whereas such things take place, you do not know who is who anymore, or who is what.

I think you are confusing me with someone who actually cares ....

They do not keep me awake at night ....

If they knew, I would keep them awake at night.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Arauna said:

Strecko - Many of your statements are not reality because you do not have the accurate history of what happened and it is pulled out of context.

For example:  A muslim does not think it is absurd that Ishmael and Abraham were in Mecca and built Mecca. I agree with this idea of yours:- BUT if that Muslim wants to know the TRUTH he will not just be satisfied with what he learnt from his own religion.  He will test it for truth.

He will go and look at old maps and he will see that Mecca did not exist in 1943 BCE when Abraham was alive.  In fact Mecca is not found on any of the Roman maps until AFTER 150 CE.      Also - Ishmael is mentioned in the Bible as living in Paran which is not far from Midian (where Midian lived)  - both places are almost 1000 miles away from Mecca. 

Mecca was a wilderness until 150 CE when forefathers of Mohammad came from Yemen and started to build this city. In fact the daughter of Ishmael married into Esau's family and he lived close enough to Abraham so he could attend his funeral when his father died......  They had funeral within one day.  So he lived close enough to go the funeral with Isaac.

So this proves that Islam is not a Abrahamic religion because it was not started by Abraham but it was pagan religion before Mohammad. The sirah (life of Mohammad) confirms this.  There was 360 idols in the Kaaba and Mohammad made the god of his tribe  the only God and broke all the other gods. Mohammad thought the Jews would accept him if he said he was a prophet in line of Ishmael - but they did not and he killed them.

When Gideon defended Israel in war against Midian and Ishmael - they took all the gold ornaments from their camels and it was crescent moons.   The area where Ishmael was living was well known for moon worship.  So his religion was not islam. 

I can do the same with many religions - I can look at what they say and what is the truth.   I left my religion I had before because I investigated to see if it was teaching the truth according to bible and also looking at their historic traditions.... to see if it is accurate.  This way one can find the truth.

No problem Lady Arauna. If you are so sure in Your reality i have no problem with your try to convince Muslim people how they are in absurd religion and how they believing in absurdity. I am not Muslim and i do not care so much for pro et contra "proves" is this religion true or lie.  But it is interesting to read something about history, of course.

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10 hours ago, Arauna said:

We honor Jehovah's name but we do not put to death anyone who violates the name.  When Jesus came to the earth he set a new example for us - to teach other people the name of God.  If other people blaspheme the name of the God of the bible (which many are doing now) we do nothing to them because we are now under the law of Christ.  We are no longer under the law of Moses.... So we wait for God to bring judgment on them.  We do not stone any longer...... so the context of what you are reading is very important.  Jesus gave us Principals not laws - and we follow this today.  Romans 6:14 "For sin must not be master over you, SEEING THAT YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW

    Hello guest!
but under undeserved kindness.
    Hello guest!
" We are no longer under the stoning law.

So I urge you to study more to learn what the bible is really teaching......

Here we have little different situation. If i am ignorant about history of Islam, that is one thing. But after 40+  years in JW i am not so uninformed about JW, as you suggest. 

To Understand "What the Bible really teach" is very complicated task even for many/all Bible scholars inside WT who sitting with/on/beside books 8 hours a day. :)))

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8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

It gets even worse, there are men who spend money to look like the male companion of the Barbie doll - Ken. Should you so speak of this man, you will only get a ton of swing and hate coming your way.

Romans 1:26-27 is not considered prophetic, but to me it is the most prophetic verse of all. Nobody but nobody of my time would have ever foreseen it. A small minority, yes, that has always been...but to go mainstream? Never. 

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On 12/21/2018 at 12:55 AM, Arauna said:

Saw a clip yesterday where the professor is drawing attention to a school in Ireland which is now teaching their students that boys can have periods so they do not feel excluded.

It has nothing to do with boys not feeling excluded. It is so that any transgendered or non-binary students do not feel excluded. Usually these types of stories are presented all out of proportion so that conservative sites and organizations can raise more monetary contributions from a conservative audience. But this one has more basis to it than some of the other fund-raising/fear-mongering headlines.

Even the Telegraph (UK) when reporting on this, tried to get attention with a headline that said "boys can have periods, too." The truth, as usual is more nuanced. The report was apparently taken down from the government-run site, but the most relevant quotes from it were already publicized. The bullet points below were not in the original, just the start of new paragraphs:

  • The advice to teachers was approved by Brighton & Hove City Council as they try to tackle stigma around menstruation.
  • The new advice follows a council report which said: "Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods", adding that "menstruation must be inclusive of all genders".

I have feeling that the emphasis in the original was that teaching about menstruation "must be inclusive of all genders." That idea shows up in the next quote from the Telegraph:

  • The report recommends that "language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods'".
  • Brighton & Hove City Council said in a statement: "By encouraging effective education on menstruation and puberty, we hope to reduce stigma and ensure no child or young person feels shame in asking for period products inside or outside of school if they need them.
  • "We believe that it’s important for all genders to be able to learn and talk about menstruation together… Our approach recognises the fact that some people who have periods are trans or non-binary."

It's about much more than inclusive language, of course, but at least that part of the recommendation is a little more understandable. For example, even the New World Translation added a lot of gender-neutral language in the 2013 Revision where the previous NWT had always used male-specific language. See, for example,

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But this recent report recommendation is an amazingly detailed accommodation to what should be only a rare occurrence among school-age students. There really are persons born with both male and female organs at the same time, or organs so deformed as to not be definable except by "choice." That choice, one expects, would be based on chromosomes, but even here, one might present as a young man before it is advisable to operate. Children should never be encouraged to participate in such a life-altering choice based on their feelings. Parents should never push a choice on them that is not completely based on biological/chromosomal reasons. So it is possible that both physical and non-physical re-orientations will take place among students at various ages, and they will likely feel out of place or even bullied if there is no sensitivity to such issues.

I hate the ideas put forward in this society to push "choices" on children, or to drastically alter their physical bodies to accommodate a supposed "feeling" that might have even been transitory, but will now be etched permanently. But, on the other hand, it has happened, and children will unfortunately continue to be bullied to the point of suicide and even be killed outright (as often happens) if something isn't done to prepare more sensitive procedures and accommodations in schools. Part of this was also in the report, and as stated below in the Telegraph article, might make sense for several reasons.

  • It asks teachers to be respectful and inclusive of children who are questioning their gender, and tells them that purposefully not referring to children by their preferred pronoun or name can constitute harassment.
  • The toolkit also recommends schools adopt a non-gendered uniform so all children feel included, and to reduce bullying.

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4 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

it has become apparent with the new QUEEN JAMES BIBLE.

It is a witticism I have not heard and long ago I might have run with it. These days I hold back. If one succumbs to be “born that way” mantra...and given its new universality...how could one not?...it’s a jab that seems unfair.

For ones of such leanings in the Christian congregation, they must be prepared to swim, not into the shore, nor away from it, but parallel to it, likely for a long long time in hopes that their orientation will readjust. It is a test of faith...denying the very real testimony of their own bodies...that few are called upon to face.

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6 hours ago, JW Insider said:

But, on the other hand, it has happened, and children will unfortunately continue to be

Evidence is accumulating that much havoc in children’s development is wrought by chemical contamination. I suspect it is a great factor with gender-bending, as well, and maybe also with homosexuality taking the world by storm.

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25 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Evidence is accumulating that much havoc in children’s development is wrought by chemical contamination. I suspect it is a great factor with gender-bending, as well, and maybe also with homosexuality taking the world by storm.

Could be. And some of these problems have been known since ancient times, but I can only suspect you are right about the great increase in gender-bending. Of course, Greece was famous for homosexuality, mostly as a form of child sexual abuse, not so much "men" who lay with "men" although that was clearly well known, too. (And women with women, as Paul references.) The supposed fluidity of sexuality has also been argued from the behavior of celibates who are closet non-celibates (e.g., priests), and even the most anti-homosexual prisoners who have been known to participate voluntarily within days of incarceration.

But I was hoping to stick with the topic from the perspective of Christian love and understanding of various sexual problems that even some Witnesses have been born with, or from decisions they made before becoming Witnesses. There have been some very effeminate-acting Bethelites, and I'm not talking about your Percy Chapman types or Leo Greenlees types who apparently would "gush" over each other even in public. I'm talking about brothers (more than one) who managed to get and keep jobs with varying levels of responsibility at Bethel, even though they were sometimes "called to the Couch" when someone complained perhaps based more on their own level of discomfort near them  ("called to the Couch" was a Bethel expression referring to Bro. George Couch, Bethel personnel dept). 

In the world, we can expect that our children and grandchildren will go to school with persons who have been known to have the highest rates of suicide and depression, and (related) who have also suffered the highest levels of peer persecution and bullying. Our children need to learn sensitivity and empathy to persons with any psychological, social, or even sexual problem. Schools won't have the answer to the underlying problem, although they can make stupid decisions that make matters worse. But when our children are in such schools who are trying to do the right thing, we should probably realize that we may have to accept even some of Caesar's stupider laws when those laws themselves do not directly conflict with God's laws. Of course, we could also become politically active and claim that bad laws encourage the breaking of God's laws, at least indirectly -- but that's probably not going to be our solution. Some of us can decide on home-schooling which has its own problems, usually related to the education levels of parents. 

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5 hours ago, JW Insider said:

various sexual problems

1) Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom. - 

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2) On other hand WT explaining this: "The soul, then, is the entire creature, ....."

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The use of this one Hebrew word (Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ) in many different contexts helps us to ascertain the basic idea inherent in the word as the Bible writers used it, namely, that it is a person, an individual, or a lower creature

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3) Bible say this: And God went on to say: “Let the earth

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It is understandable and visible (not always, huh) how brain of human and animal are not the same. And how some moral questions about sexuality come up in human society.  BUT, on other hand Bible reveals statement how Soul (and WT say how that means ENTIRE, WHOLE, animal or human individual/creature, aka brain, emotions, needs, wishes.....etc. If we produce some conclusions from this quotes, perhaps we can say how basic, primitive mechanism is similar, or it is almost the SAME in both bodies. So, we see very basic instincts in both Organism - with same/similar sort of  behaviors.

And as some other "inspired" human wrote: 

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 -- A human being is no better off than an animal, because life has no meaning for either.

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18 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Are you suggesting that animals have the same comprehension as humans?

Ok... I am beginning to believe that modern people are no longer able to understand the concept of a topic.

Has social media caused this? 

Have native apps with one long scrollable feed with zero context (easy) made this happen?

I am wondering if I should just design a whole new website where people are supposed to just post random stuff with zero context and where nothing is linked to anything else because Google will link everything for us. Oh wait... that is Facebook and Instagram. (And Twitter... although at least they have hashtags)

Your thoughts.

 

Oh... I now love tacos.

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Are you suggesting that animals have the same comprehension as humans?

Holy Hand Grenade!

Humans don't even have comprehension of what each other think,

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Obviously, if you and JWinsider’s attempt, is to force your idea of grammar on others. Keep in mind your own failures in grammar. Everyone has their own style, deal with it. Now if you can't understand scripture, that's a different story. I can understand that handicap that many here have. Matthew 5:29

I think a complete lack of a sense of humor ..... PLUS a limited stockpile of frames of reference .... PLUS a deep seated paranoia is the cause.

I submit as an example a JOKE ... which thankfully, (whew!) JWI thought was funny!

Johnny Carson had 16 writers, and half his material bombed, so I save a LOT of money by doing my own jokes, or stealing others, and filing off the serial numbers.

 

 

Painful  Dislexia  Joke   1000.jpg

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58 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I submit as an example a JOKE ... which thankfully, (whew!) JWI thought was funny!

I have to admit that I thought the joke was funny immediately, but I hesitated to respond with the "laugh" emoticon. In fact, I canceled my initial response because, well, I already knew that what just happened could easily happen because it had happened a few times in the past. And sure enough, it just happened again.

Let me explain:

You probably know that I equate BillyTheKid with AllenSmith and at least a dozen other monikers that I believe are used by the same person. You probably also remember that AllenSmith(s) went on a campaign for about two years on this forum trying to claim that I had made fun of his grammar (also claiming that you and Ann had made fun of his grammar). I knew I hadn't and I knew, therefore, that he also had no evidence for this false claim. But that didn't stop him from repeating the claim every few months. 

What made your joke, above, just as dangerous is that --even though your joke was not about him-- it could have been taken as a joke made at his expense. And even worse, it included the word "dyslexia."

I'll just pick up a few phrases from the search tools, and you will probably remember some of these conversations, usually involving the three of us. [I won't mention the topic, because I don't want to divert too far from this topic of the UN Compact. 😎

  • [From February 2018] "I told a joke and maybe you thought I was making fun of you."

Here's one that's more to the point from September 2017:

On 9/24/2017 at 1:40 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
On 9/23/2017 at 6:41 PM, AllenSmith said:

Comment Deleted!!!!!!!!

Self-Deletion in fear of having an “OUTRAGES” response from JTR as he has done in the past with my dyslexia without consequences from Queen Ester or the Librarian. It was seen as humorous, by many here. I just remembered!!!

If you have dyslexia, how is it that you do not type in reverse?

Seriously ... I never EVER made fun of your dyslexia ... I never knew you had it until you whined and undressed yourself in public .. . . .

Even TTH has been involved in a couple of these occurrences:

 

On 1/16/2018 at 5:53 PM, TrueTomHarley said:
On 1/16/2018 at 5:00 PM, AllenSmith said:

I would suggest you HOLD everyone accountable, to your [RESTRICTIONS] LIBRARIAN,

Allen, let me suggest that you use the ground rules here to improve your communicating skills. . . .  You have alluded to dyslexia. Maybe it is but the tip of the iceberg. Maybe there are other factors that affect your emotional control, for you do launch some zingers sometimes.


This was right after Allen Smith had complained that you (JTR) had made fun of his condition, saying:

  • "When JTR (Someone calling himself a witness) insulted my condition . . ."

At any rate, I could go on and on here, but won't, even though Google and other search tools tend to "keep account of the injury." I just wanted to say that I realized the joke was not about BillyTheKid at all, so I put back my "laugh" up-vote. But the rest of this was completely expected and predictable, because it's evidently a kind of goal for him to find evidence that I somehow made fun of his grammar.

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8 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I still hadn’t found a parking spot.

UN Compact 2018 attempts to take care of this through strategic transportation management, making much more use of public transportation systems, and therefore much reduced use of the personal automobile. [If anyone asks, please let the Librarian know that I have successfully (and no doubt permanently) brought the topic back to "UN Compact 2018."]

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

where is AllenSmith34 . . . Whatever happened to this person?

I have not mocked him here, nor did I take any cheap shots. But to answer your question, I remember back on August 17, 2018, he was evidently both the writer and upvoter of a comment complaining about the "failures of JWInsider" ("If JWinsider would expose his failure . . .", he said). That was also one of a couple posts where he had pointed out that I (and others) have grammar failures (a fact with which I have always wholeheartedly agreed). Under the name AllenSmith34 and some previous names with AllenSmith followed by a number, he also claimed that I and others 'have tried to push our own idea of proper grammar on others.' But his biggest complaint, of course, about persons like me had always been the my real failure is the inability to understand scripture.  

So although I haven't seen that exact name pop up for a while, I have seen that same series of points made. So at least I am not completely out of touch with those insights. Similar to this one . . .

6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Obviously, if you and JWinsider’s attempt, is to forc