The New Light on Locusts of Joel 2 and Revelation 22

[Jack Ryan]

The locusts of Joel Chapter 2 no longer refer to Jehovah's Witnesses and events surrounding 1919.

The locusts in Revelation chapter 22 however still do refer to the anointed, but are now no longer connected with the prophecy on Joel.

 

Joel 2 now refers to the "Babylonians", the coalition of nations that will try to destroy God's people.

The context of Joel chapter 2 points the time period of fulfillment to Jehovah's Day in the Great Tribulation and how God will save his people.

[The Librarian]

Thank you. 

I've added it to the list:

 

[Jack Ryan]

What happened to their not putting interpretations on things that the Bible itself doesn’t explain?

[Srecko Sostar]

Are we talking about:

"new" light,

"changed" light

or about drinking too much"alcohol"?

[Witness]

13 hours ago, Jack Ryan said:

The locusts of Joel Chapter 2 no longer refer to Jehovah's Witnesses and events surrounding 1919.

Thanks,  I found the same on reddit:

“The locusts of Joel Chapter 2 no longer refer to Jehovah's Witnesses and events surrounding 1919. The locusts in Revelation chapter 22 however still do refer to the anointed, but are now no longer connected with the prophecy on Joel. Joel 2 now refers to the "Babylonians", the coalition of nations that will try to destroy God's people. The context of Joel chapter 2 points the time period of fulfilment to Jehovah's Day in the Great Tribulation and how God will save his people.”

 

JWs, see “Live with Jehovah’s Day in Mind” (pg 172,173; par 12, 2006), which refers to that day’s present “truth”, concerning Revelation and Joel’s locusts defined as “God’s people”.  How is it, that the organization’s leaders just recently realize that the locusts in the book of Joel are out to destroy God’s people?  Joel 2:25,27-32   Locusts have never been portrayed as a good thing in the scriptures.  In Revelation, why would God consider His own people as a devastating plague?  

Both Revelation and Joel refer to the last days, Armageddon.  Joel 3:14,15; Rev 16:13-16

They both refer to a foreign nation coming against God’s holy people. Joel 1:6; Rev 9:4; Rev 11:1,2;13:7

It appears Mr. Splane is basically saying there are two locust armies present in the last days, sharing the same characteristics.  Do the good guys and the bad guys spiritually, look and act exactly the same; as horses with lion’s heads, dark, foreboding, chewing, destructive by use of fiery words filled with ugly intentions?  JWs, I hope if you compare the scriptures, you can determine they are the same army that comes against God’s “saints” in the last days.  That army resides with you, as the elder body ruling over God’s “land”; his anointed priesthood, (1 Pet 2:5,9) who do not have the seal of God upon their foreheads. (Rev 9:4)  Instead, they carry the mark of an organization; the “mark of the Beast” which is the mark of an idol.  You receive this mark not only at your baptism, but through your activities all performed for the organization. Rev 13:16,17   Anyone who recognize this destructive army and refuse to acknowledge its power over him, is “killed” – disfellowshipped; which also, removes the mark of the Beast.  Rev 13:1,4-10,15; 19:20

Elders here, would not consider themselves as destructive.  Only by researching God's early priesthood and comparing today's necessary obedience of His priesthood under Christ, to a GB and massive army of elders, would anyone realize how this duel leadership is one of blasphemy, according to God's decrees.  Dan 11:31; 8:11; Rev 11:2; 1 Cor 3:16; 1 Pet 2:9; Mal 2:7; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9

We cannot serve two Masters.  Matt 6:24  We cannot proclaim both the doctrine of God and Christ, and the doctrine of men.  They conflict; for one is pure, from God; and the other is corruptive, as proven by Splane’s effort to veil the power given to his own army, through which his spiritual “brothers” are silenced and restricted from bonding together. Matt 24:48-51  To allow the anointed to gather together, is a threatening act toward the exposure of truth. 1 John 2:20 So, they claim it would threaten the unity of all JWs in the organization.  I so wish you could see how this is emotional and spiritual blackmail committed toward the "royal priesthood".  

 The only way to make  a selling point of their doctrine on the locusts, is to separate the identities.   However, one anointed woman saw the true meaning of the locusts in Joel and Revelation, several years ago.   Her messages have made it necessary for Watchtower to change its “truth”.   

“The Greatest Tribulation – What and Why?”  Pearl Doxsey 4womaninthewilderness

 

 

 

I hope you take time to compare the scriptures about the locusts from both Joel and Revelation:

Joel 1:6:  For a nation has come up against My land,
Strong, and without number;
His teeth are the teeth of a lion,
And he has the fangs of a fierce lion.

Rev 9:8:  They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.

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Joel 1:4:  What the chewing locust left, the swarming locust has eaten;
What the swarming locust left, the crawling locust has eaten;
And what the crawling locust left, the consuming locust has eaten.

Rev 9:3:   “Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.”

Ezek 2:6:  “And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them nor be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns are with you and you dwell among scorpions; do not be afraid of their words or dismayed by their looks, though they are a rebellious house.”

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Joel 2:2:  “A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.”

Joel 2:10:  “The earth quakes before them,
The heavens tremble;
The sun and moon grow dark,
And the stars diminish their brightness.”

Rev 9:2,3:  “And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.  Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Ezek 2:6:  “And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them nor be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns are with you and you dwell among scorpions; do not be afraid of their words or dismayed by their looks, though they are a rebellious house.”

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Joel 2:4:  “Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.” (KJV – “and they galloped like war horses”)

Rev 9:7:  “The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men.”

Rev 9:17:  “And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.”  (1 Pet 5:8)

Rev 9:19:  For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm.

1 Pet 5:8:  “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.”

Ezek 2:6 - “And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them nor be afraid of their words”

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Joel 2:5:  “With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.”

Rev 9:9: “And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle.”

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 Joel 2:6: “Before them the people writhe in pain;
All faces are drained of color.”

Rev 9:5,6:  “And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.  In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.”

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Joel 2:3:  “A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.”

Rev 9:18:  “By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths.”

Rev 9:20:  “But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.” (Zech 13:8; Rev 2:16; Rev 13:10)

 

Joel 1:6:  “For a nation has come up against My land,
Strong, and without number;
His teeth are the teeth of a lion,
And he has the fangs of a fierce lion.”

Jer 5:17-19:  “And they shall eat up your harvest and your bread,
Which your sons and daughters should eat.
They shall eat up your flocks and your herds;
They shall eat up your vines and your fig trees;
They shall destroy your fortified cities,
In which you trust, with the sword.

¹⁸ “Nevertheless in those days,” says the Lord, “I will not make a complete end of you. ¹⁹ And it will be when you say, ‘Why does the Lord our God do all these things to us?’ then you shall answer them, ‘Just as you have forsaken Me and served foreign gods in your land, so you shall serve strangers in a land that is not yours.’

 

Rev 9:4:  “ They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.”

Rev 7:3:  saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”