By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

 

Norway is the great catalyst that will force the GB to start thinking about basic human rights, as currently there is a lot of discussion in the Norwegian Government about " ... Why are we giving the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Norwegian dollars (Kroners) every year from Tax money for their charities ... for EACH and every of the approximately 112,000 JWs in Norway (paraphrased), when they prohibit their members to vote"... which THEY consider to be an inalienable, and non-negotiable human right of all peoples, everywhere.

The WTB&TS is currently being governed by the Lawyers, Accountants, and the Finances department, with the GB not admitting being personally responsible for ANYTHING.

What we consider "reasonable", they consider EXTREMIST, and many European nations give tax money to ALL legitimate churches, without restriction on how they spend it.

By violating what these governments' and peoples' basic understanding on what constitutes extremism, soon, if not already, it is going to affect the flow of cash into the Society's Treasury.

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

In a practical way, some of the practice hasn't caught up with the "human rights" rhetoric yet.

One of several major concerns of the Governing Body is to not hemorrhage money, as it has been doing for years in the constant Child Sexual Abuse court cases.

THIS is what will drive any change .... not love ... not justice ...not fairness .... MONEY!

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By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?

What I have read is so "weasel worded", I cannot tell.

[JJJ-AUSTRALIA]

They have already lied about blood transfusions and shunning, I'm sure they will managed to lie the way out of this too... Shame shame shame

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

I remember the second instance you mentioned, and vaguely the first.  Would you please cite your references ro remind me, and of course "the fourth wall"?

It's always helpful to PROVE assertions that most Jehovah's Witnesses are unaware of, or you lose all credibility.

If memory serves, they lied to some European Government about forbidding blood transfusions, but I don't remember the details. If memory serves, they told that government that there were no congregational sanctions if a JW willfully accepted a blood transfusion.

Of course the lie about the shunning is on video to the Australian Royal Commission on Child Abuse Case No. 29 and 54, which is still on-line.

My mind is like a steel trap, but after 73 years, it's rusty, and  full of old fur and fat.

[JJJ-AUSTRALIA]

http://web.archive.org/web/19990129063340/http://www.dhcommhr.coe.fr/eng/28626CP.E.html

Press communiqué issued by the Secretary

to the European Commission of Human Rights

Application No. 28626/95

Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova"

(Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses)

v.

Bulgaria

Quote:

As regards the alleged involvement of children the applicant association submits that children cannot become members of the association but only participate, together with their parents, in the religious activities of the community. In respect of the refusal of blood transfusion, the applicant association submits that there are no religious sanctions for a Jehovah's Witness who chooses to accept blood transfusion and that, therefore, the fact that the religious doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is against blood transfusion cannot amount to a threat to "public health".

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

BINGO!

Thanks!

[JJJ-AUSTRALIA]

You are welcome, I have found so much stuff the last 6 months is mind blowing.... 😆😆😆

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

What you need ... is a steel trap!

[JJJ-AUSTRALIA]

😆😆😆

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

4 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990129063340/http://www.dhcommhr.coe.fr/eng/28626CP.E.html

Press communiqué issued by the Secretary

to the European Commission of Human Rights

Application No. 28626/95

Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova"

(Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses)

v.

Bulgaria

Quote:

As regards the alleged involvement of children the applicant association submits that children cannot become members of the association but only participate, together with their parents, in the religious activities of the community. In respect of the refusal of blood transfusion, the applicant association submits that there are no religious sanctions for a Jehovah's Witness who chooses to accept blood transfusion and that, therefore, the fact that the religious doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is against blood transfusion cannot amount to a threat to "public health".

A few questions please, if i may. 

Were the GB / Watchtower Soc' actually saying here that children cannot get baptised as JW's ? 

Were they also saying that full blood transfusions were permissible within JW Org ? 

Were that saying this in order to get money from somewhere ?

Or were they saying it in order to get permission to preach ?

@James Thomas Rook Jr. To quote you , if i may.

"THIS is what will drive any change .... not love ... not justice ...not fairness .... MONEY!"

Are you here talking about the 'Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses' ? 

Or are you talking only about it's Governing Body ? 

Whichever it may be, you seem to be saying that this is not God's chosen organisation. 

I fear that God no longer has any earthly organisation. 

However, as usual, off topic  . 

Do you have an answer to your original question yet ? 

 

 

[Arauna]

18 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

GB to start thinking about basic human rights, as currently ther

Well each person will have to choose if they will vote. The bible clearly indicates that Babylon the great is religion which is bedfellows with politics. Christian's are warned to get out of Babylon the great.

This will become a test for witnesses in the time of end since jesus was also accused on a false political charge of sedition. Non- voting is the reason governments will hate us as is our stance to refuse to go to war. 

This is the factor which allows for us to be a truly peaceful people all over the world with a self-sacrificing love for each other.

[JJJ-AUSTRALIA]

Each person will have to choose if they will vote. !

its fine to say that to the public but unfortunately that's not really true when you are a JW.

Actually what my wife and I have noticed for the last few years is that the society is happy to portrait a different kind of rules kinda show a different society to the public where we have a choice or is up to each individual to choose about blood, shunning, vote etc but that's not reality.

[Arauna]

18 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

that the religious doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is against blood transfusion cannot amount to a threat to "public health".

Why should a  ignorant  office worker in some government department decide we are 'extreme' people and a 'threat to public health' when the God of the universe tells us to abstain from blood?

The true evidence is that transfusions are in reality a great threat to public health with all the fatal diseases which can be transmitted such as Hepatitis C, AIDS, syphilis.... just to mention three which come to mind.

They greatest threat of blood transfusion is anaphylactic shock - which is never put on death certificates as cause of death - and in reality is the greatest cause of death after surgery.... By third day after the surgery it starts manifesting and then the death certificate usually says "complications after surgery".  

So, in the final analyses it is about obedience to jehovah.  If one believes he really exists - will one deliberately ignore his laws ?  ......and risk losing his Holy Spirit? 

What you guys here do not get is that the risk is high when one deliberately disobeys God........ one risks getting an unapproved mental state.... and then it does not matter if you are shunned by others.  Your own mental state will shun you....... because you will become an opposer and be shunned for a brazen attitude by breaking some other laws of God as well. 

You may become like some people here on this forum who gives each other silly likes when they find material which condemns JHws while they (the JWs) are in the situation of trying to obey God.  I bet some of the opposers here will feel justified when our persecution starts and revel in our being designated "extreme" and even enjoy our persecution.   God predicted it would happen.

That is the mental state you get when you disobey jehovah and think you can make your own rules as you go along and condone hate against those trying to obey the laws of God.

Even if governments force their laws and morality on us and outlaw shunning.......(which I predict they will do in the near future) , obedience to the laws of God and his personal approval of the individual will still remain the factor in final approval  and  opportunity for life everlasting.