God's Sacred and Holy Name...

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

14 hours ago, Pudgy said:

as his gift was a standard Christmas fruitcake.

Are you saying that Dmitar is a fruit cake  ? 

[BroRando]

22 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Are you saying that Dmitar is a fruit cake  ? 

As the Storm Approaches, Maintain Your Focus on Jesus!—Future Kingdom Blessings

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[Pudgy]

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[Pudgy]

 

Seven Shepherds, Eight Dukes—What They Mean for Us Today

The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom—2013

 

• LESSONS FOR TODAY ....

  16. Who today are represented by (a) Jerusalem’s citizens (b) “the Assyrian” (c) the seven shepherds and eight dukes?

  ¹⁶ .... (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not ....

   

[Witness]

On 11/30/2021 at 8:22 PM, Pudgy said:

 

Seven Shepherds, Eight Dukes—What They Mean for Us Today

The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom—2013

 

• LESSONS FOR TODAY ....

  16. Who today are represented by (a) Jerusalem’s citizens (b) “the Assyrian” (c) the seven shepherds and eight dukes?

  ¹⁶ .... (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not ....

   

Notice that this "life-saving direction" comes from the organization, and not from God.

[BroRando]

29 minutes ago, Witness said:

Notice that this "life-saving direction" comes from the organization, and not from God.

I thought it came from @Pudgy

[Witness]

3 hours ago, Witness said:

At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not ....

 

This appears to be valuable information, more valuable than the word of God.  

Titus 2:21 - "You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine."

Titus 1:9 - "He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it."

Looks like the GB is opposing sound doctrine with their dictatorial scare tactic.  They are essentially, opposing the word of God.  

1 Tim 6:2-5 "This is the sort of thing you should teach, and if anyone tries to teach some doctrinal novelty which is not compatible with sound teaching (which we base on Christ’s own words and which leads to Christ-like living), then he is a conceited idiot! His mind is a morbid jumble of disputation and argument, things which lead to nothing but jealousy, quarrelling, insults and malicious innuendoes—continual wrangling, in fact, among men of warped minds who have lost their real hold on the truth but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion."

There it is.  What is more important, God's word - the doctrine of Jesus Christ -  or the words of men who don't seem to know the importance of the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ, and the necessity to adhere to only his doctrine.  

At the end of the day in Wt. land, the words of men out rule the words of God and Jesus Christ.  Just watch, the majority of JWs will follow the impractical, when told to.  

[BroRando]

14 minutes ago, Witness said:

This appears to be valuable information, more valuable than the word of God.  

Titus 2:21 - "You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine."

Titus 1:9 - "He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it."

Looks like the GB is opposing sound doctrine with their dictatorial scare tactic.  They are essentially, opposing the word of God.  

1 Tim 6:2-5 "This is the sort of thing you should teach, and if anyone tries to teach some doctrinal novelty which is not compatible with sound teaching (which we base on Christ’s own words and which leads to Christ-like living), then he is a conceited idiot! His mind is a morbid jumble of disputation and argument, things which lead to nothing but jealousy, quarrelling, insults and malicious innuendoes—continual wrangling, in fact, among men of warped minds who have lost their real hold on the truth but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion."

There it is.  What is more important, God's word - the doctrine of Jesus Christ -  or the words of men who don't seem to know the importance of the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ, and the necessity to adhere to only his doctrine.  

At the end of the day in Wt. land, the words of men out rule the words of God and Jesus Christ.  Just watch, the majority of JWs will follow the impractical, when told to.  

So says Witness who calims the Name Jehovah is a fraud.  I guess since Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation' yo must also claim Jesus is a fraud also?

You have nothing to offer...

[Witness]

4 hours ago, BroRando said:

I guess since Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation' yo must also claim Jesus is a fraud also?

If I thought Jesus was a fraud, why would I continually refer to his teachings?

4 hours ago, Witness said:

What is more important, God's word - the doctrine of Jesus Christ -  or the words of men who don't seem to know the importance of the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ, and the necessity to adhere to only his doctrine.  

 

[BroRando]

11 minutes ago, Witness said:

If I thought Jesus was a fraud, why would I continually refer to his teachings?

 

Because hyprocites use his Name while they deny the meaning of his name to decieive others.  Even trinitarians do this. They claim Jehovah is a made up name, all the while claiming to beleive in Jesus.  The Bible is filled with Names that bear witness to Jehovah.

• Isaiah --- Salvation of Jehovah
• Elijah --- My God is Jehovah
• Jesus --- Jehovah is Salvation

 

 

[Witness]

40 minutes ago, BroRando said:

Because hyprocites use his Name while they deny the meaning of his name to decieive others.  Even trinitarians do this. They claim Jehovah is a made up name, all the while claiming to beleive in Jesus.  The Bible is filled with Names that bear witness to Jehovah.

You must not have read the "Divine Name" Brochure printed by your organization.

 

How Is God's Name Pronounced?

The truth is, nobody knows for sure how the name of God was originally pronounced. Why not? Well, the first language used in writing the Bible was Hebrew, and when the Hebrew language was written down, the writers wrote only consonants, not vowels. Hence, when the inspired writers wrote God's name, they naturally did the same thing and wrote only the consonants.

While ancient Hebrew was an everyday spoken language, this presented no problem. The pronunciation of the Name was familiar to the Israelites and when they saw it in writing they supplied the vowels without thinking (just as, for an English reader, the abbreviation "Ltd." represents "Limited" and "bldg." represents "building").

Two things happened to change this situation. First, a superstitious idea arose among the Jews that it was wrong to say the divine name out loud; so when they came to it in their Bible reading they uttered the Hebrew word 'Adho·nai' ("Sovereign Lord"). Further, as time went by, the ancient Hebrew language itself ceased to be spoken in everyday conversation, and in this way the original Hebrew pronunciation of God's name was eventually forgotten.

In order to ensure that the pronunciation of the Hebrew language as a whole would not be lost, Jewish scholars of the second half of the first millennium C.E. invented a system of points to represent the missing vowels, and they placed these around the consonants in the Hebrew Bible. Thus, both vowels and consonants were written down, and the pronunciation as it was at that time was preserved.

When it came to God's name, instead of putting the proper vowel signs around it, in most cases they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say 'Adho·nai'. From this came the spelling Iehouah, and, eventually, Jehovah became the accepted pronunciation of the divine name in English. This retains the essential elements of God's name from the Hebrew original.

Different scholars have different ideas about how the name YHWH was originally pronounced.

In The Mysterious Name of Y.H.W.H., page 74, Dr. M. Reisel said that the "vocalisation of the Tetragrammaton must originally have been Y e HuàH or YaHuàH."

Canon D. D. Williams of Cambridge held that the "evidence indicates, nay almost proves, that Jahwéh was not the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton . . . The Name itself was probably JAHÔH."?Zeitschrift für die alttestamentliche Wissenschaft (Periodical for Old Testament Knowledge), 1936, Volume 54, page 269.

In the glossary of the French Revised Segond Version, page 9, the following comment is made: "The pronunciation Yahvé used in some recent translations is based on a few ancient witnesses, but they are not conclusive. If one takes into account personal names that include the divine name, such as the Hebrew name of the prophet Elijah (Eliyahou) the pronunciation might just as well be Yaho or Yahou."

In 1749 the German Bible scholar Teller told of some different pronunciations of God's name he had read: "Diodorus from Sicily, Macrobius, Clemens Alexandrinus, Saint Jerome and Origenes wrote Jao; the Samaritans, Epiphanius, Theodoretus, Jahe, or Jave; Ludwig Cappel reads Javoh; Drusius, Jahve; Hottinger, Jehva; Mercerus, Jehovah; Castellio, Jovah; and le Clerc, Jawoh, or Javoh."

Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language.

 

 

It is very hypocritical for you to say that anyone who doesn’t use the name “Jehovah” when speaking of the Almighty God our Father, that they are not showing reverence for Him or Jesus Christ...when no one knows the original pronunciation of God’s name, as your own organization tells us.

 

 

[BroRando]

4 minutes ago, Witness said:

You must not have read the "Divine Name" Brochure printed by your organization.

How do you pronounce Jesus, Isaiah, or Elijah? 

Are you now going start claiming that the Jews don't exist and there was no such thing as the Holocaust?