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Rev 20:7  Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. 

Restored mankind will not be fighting each other, though.  They will not be learning war in the 1000-year reign.  But as the final test is placed on all perfected humans, some rebels will come forth.  The true nature of their hearts will be revealed and they will show their true colours. They will attack the ones who are loyal to the kingdom. The warriors/rebels will be in effect be fighting against God, like at Armageddon.  The warriors will be on one side, and Jehovah will fight for them the other side, his restored faithful people, who will be granted everlasting life after the final test.  Fire will come down from heaven and eat up these rebels.  (See quotes below)

*** g91 12/8 p. 11 When Old Wounds Are Healed ***
Unlike all the wars that have been waged by humans, the standard of justice that will prevail in that coming war of God is absolute. It is the standard of the Creator of mankind, who has the best interests of humanity at heart. Unlike political leaders who pressure their people into war, Jehovah, our Creator, will tell his people just as he told his nation of Israel in the days of Jehoshaphat of Judah in the tenth century B.C.E.: You will not need to fight in this instance. Take your position, stand still and see the salvation of Jehovah in your behalf.”—2 Chronicles 20:17.

With the dark clouds of influence by Satan blown away, individuals from all nations will enjoy true peace and security earth wide. Then the following conditions foretold by Isaiah will have become a reality. “Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth. Former things shall no more be remembered nor shall they be called to mind.”—Isaiah 65:17, The New English Bible.
Thus, what took place at Pearl Harbor will no more be remembered in a painful way, nor will the victims of the atom bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki cry out “No More Hiroshimas!” Why? Because the following words of Isaiah’s prophecy will also be true of every person on earth: “He [God] will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.”—Isaiah 2:4.  END QUOTE

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But who is “Gog and Magog” mentioned at Revelation 20:8? This name refers to all those who rebel against Jehovah and attack his people during the final test at the end of the 1,000 years. They will have the same hateful attitude as Gog of Magog, the nations that attack God’s people at the end of the great tribulation. And just like those nations that will be destroyed at Armageddon, Gog and Magog will also be destroyed. (Revelation 19:20, 21; 20:9) It seems appropriate, then, that all who rebel at the end of the 1,000 years be called “Gog and Magog.”
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(Revelation 20:9) And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.

 

I think you read that wrong.  If someone encircled your home to draw you out into a fight or brawl, you don't necessarily have to come out. You might simply wait for the Police to come or your security people.

The scriptures show that fire will come down from heaven and consume them.  Means the heavenly forces will act again for the loyal ones, as in Jehoshaphat's  time and as at Armageddon.

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29 minutes ago, Melinda Mills said:

Answer for Shiwii

Rev 20:7  Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. 

Restored mankind will not be fighting each other, though.  They will not be learning war in the 1000-year reign.  But as the final test is placed on all perfected humans, some rebels will come forth.  The true nature of their hearts will be revealed and they will show their true colours. They will attack the ones who are loyal to the kingdom. The warriors/rebels will be in effect be fighting against God, like at Armageddon.  The warriors will be on one side, and Jehovah will fight for them the other side, his restored faithful people, who will be granted everlasting life after the final test.  Fire will come down from heaven and eat up these rebels.  (See quotes below)

 

29 minutes ago, Melinda Mills said:

I think you read that wrong.  If someone encircled your home to draw you out into a fight or brawl, you don't necessarily have to come out. You might simply wait for the Police to come or your security people.

The scriptures show that fire will come down from heaven and consume them.  Means the heavenly forces will act again for the loyal ones, as in Jehoshaphat's  time and as at Armageddon.

I can follow you on this thought, but first we need to address the position of the wt/gb/jws. As stated in this book, as well as other's sited, it is the position of the gb/wt/jws that only jws will survive Armageddon. This has been shown to be true from not only my examples but also from other's opinion here, such as Gone Away and JW Insider. So it isn't something I made up. 

 

Now I understand your point about you don't have to fight and can stay inside if one wishes.  My point is that these left are ONLY jws, as stated in the wt books/opinions of jws etc. So a very, VERY LARGE number of jws WILL be preparing for war against those who as you say "stay inside and wait for authorities", which as pointed out by the publications are also jws. So in a sense, jws will be preparing to go to war with other jws.  If that's all that's left, then there is no other option. 

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58 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

such as Gone Away and JW Insider.

Just a little clarification here. There are Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's witnesses.

One group are members of a religious organisation  existing in this early part of the 21st Century.

The other group consists of humans who will witness (literally) the saving hand of Jehovah through a cataclysmic demonstration of his power in destroying a wicked and Satanic system of things at a time of His chosing. 

Membership of both groups is not mutually inclusive.

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I won’t post copyright material since the Watchtower hasn’t given me permission to post them unto a discussion forum. However, I will direct those interested to JW.org. But how can anyone that understands scripture possibly think that anyone would come to life after the 1000 year has ended? This makes no sense.

If people are to experience all that God promises and Jesus offered, all this would have to be completed before the 1000 years. Scripture doesn’t support anything else.

Other religions do make claims that go beyond scripture. They go to extremes to add to it, which is offensive to God. So, of course, witnesses should find themselves comparing scriptural interpretation. The best direction is to compare scripture as the first century Christians did through Christ. This is what the Watchtower set out to do and its purpose.

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16 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Just a little clarification here. There are Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's witnesses.

One group are members of a religious organisation  existing in this early part of the 21st Century.

The other group consists of humans who will witness (literally) the saving hand of Jehovah through a cataclysmic demonstration of his power in destroying a wicked and Satanic system of things at a time of His chosing. 

Membership of both groups is not mutually inclusive.

This is pure semantics.   The point is that the context of the wt literature speaks of only those who belong to their idea of "jehovah's org", you know this as well. 

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8 hours ago, Hankulan Tunani said:

I won’t post copyright material since the Watchtower hasn’t given me permission to post them unto a discussion forum. However, I will direct those interested to JW.org. But how can anyone that understands scripture possibly think that anyone would come to life after the 1000 year has ended? This makes no sense.

If people are to experience all that God promises and Jesus offered, all this would have to be completed before the 1000 years. Scripture doesn’t support anything else.

Other religions do make claims that go beyond scripture. They go to extremes to add to it, which is offensive to God. So, of course, witnesses should find themselves comparing scriptural interpretation. The best direction is to compare scripture as the first century Christians did through Christ. This is what the Watchtower set out to do and its purpose.

I've quoted literature from your jw.org, and it still says the same thing. They believe that only those who are part of their org will be alive after Armageddon. . 

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Copyright Law allows for the posting of copyrighted material for intellectual analysis and debate ..... also for lampooning or satire.

What the WTB&TS does not approve of is that in many cases intellectual analysis naturally leads to lampooning and satire.

 

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It's sorta like having a crazy Grandmother, that you wish would stay in the basement.

You owe her your life ... you love her .... and you appreciate being alive because of her ... but you want to hide her when Company comes to visit and she does a striptease on the living room coffee table.

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Hankulan Tunani said:

I won’t post copyright material since the Watchtower hasn’t given me permission to post them unto a discussion forum. However, I will direct those interested to JW.org. But how can anyone that understands scripture possibly think that anyone would come to life after the 1000 year has ended? This makes no sense.

If people are to experience all that God promises and Jesus offered, all this would have to be completed before the 1000 years. Scripture doesn’t support anything else.

Other religions do make claims that go beyond scripture. They go to extremes to add to it, which is offensive to God. So, of course, witnesses should find themselves comparing scriptural interpretation. The best direction is to compare scripture as the first century Christians did through Christ. This is what the Watchtower set out to do and its purpose.

I think the JW teaching was that to 'come to life after the 1000 year' meant that before the final testing people would not definitely have eternal life. So the 'coming to life' didn't mean literally becoming alive, it meant that at that time they would receive everlasting life. 

Those of the heavenly calling 'came to life' when they were resurrected as spirit persons. Or will when they are 'called'. It seems that they do not have another testing but receive everlasting spirit life upon resurrection. 

 

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