Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions

[Space Merchant]

@Patiently waiting for Truth Also just to add concerning the UK, as of recent 4,760 (about 300-320~ among the most dangerous caught) arrests regarding crimes against children, with a total of nearly 7,000+ children safeguarded. As pointed already, the grooming gangs is an issue, for any abuser who is afraid of the law may end up with these gangs, granted, these people thrive in numbers. Even with this small victory,  a strategy to collect more detailed data about these gangs have increased slightly, not by much, and it connects to all things in the realm of pornography and drugs. The NCA is to be used to further the progress, this also connects with violence against women. But still, a community effort is needed, otherwise the tug-o-war with CSA will continue in the UK, us Truthers do not know how the state of the UK will be if they end up with Authoritarianism; ending up like Australia, and Canada.

 

By the way, reporting CSA as a couple of issues, concerning said issues, are you familiar with the below mugshot? I ask because you said you have been sending information to the IICSA, the mugshot below is in relation to one of their branches; this is United Kingdom base.

[ApostaBabe Linda James]

11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

are you familiar with the below mugshot?

I know that I wasn't directly asked this question by you, but this looks to be the same person in both of these shots. Would that be correct?

[Srecko Sostar]

21 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

In several cases of CSA there has been some information. This is why some JWs are equipped to handle CSA and some are not. Again, Swahili JWs, the British/Arab JW, even the one here who told you about combating CSA, and I believe Anna had mentioned to you time and time again as with others. More so information had been professed.

Yes, if we count few individuals at this Forum, called Jehovah's Witnesses Open Club, with informative topics.

This Open JW Club is in fact "illegal" in the eyes of WTJWorg and GB and Legal Department. In what sense  "illegal"?  The title of club contains the name Jehovah's Witnesses. I assume that the name Jehovah's Witnesses  is the intellectual property of WTJWorg and should not be used without their consent. Because the club does not have the approval of the GB to promote JW religious ideas beyond/out of the range of official JW religious teachings of the JW Church and outside the official JW channels. Because this club does not have the GB approval to conduct any debate that calls into question the JW religious system. Because there is no GB approval for the discussion to be led by current and former JW members (discussion of this type, ie interaction between current and former members is actually completely forbidden by GB). If the JW elders of the congregations, to which the members of this club belong, learned that these JW brothers and sisters are members of this club and that they are participants in the discussions, they would be invited to serious conversation and at least warned if not rebuked or even excluded / dfd from the JW assembly.

The claim that JW members are aware of the prevalence of CSA within the JW church is arbitrary and I am not sure that your picture is correct regarding their awareness of CSA. One young brother (approximately 30 years old) told me directly in 2015 that he did not believe in the CSA within the JW and that he did not believe in court rulings in this regard. He recently became an elder in my former congregation. It is to be expected that his position on this issue has not changed, that is, that he is still in a state of denial. CSA is at least 50 years inside WTJWorg. I found about real CSA JW victims with name and face and court rulings only in "secular" sources, not on pages of WTJWorg magazines or their videos.

21 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Not all of them, and often times, some of what they said has been taken out of context. Reasons why the remark in ARC was stated for them to clarify for it is evident that some of their members do not know how to deal with the issue.

Oh man. You are "worst" than them.   If 30 year old JW male member claimed how this are all lies, in 2015, and one GB member made similar claim on JWTV, then problem is not about "how to deal" with something (CSA in this moment), but about general denial that CSA exist inside WTJWorg. Other GB member made different view when made public statements.

 

 

21 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Likewise, if you remember your Glasglow topic, the one you deleted,

I'm glad you mentioned that. When I realized that the topic could become a source of misinformation because I didn’t understand the English text in the video well, so I misinterpreted it, deleting the topic was a good choice, in my opinion. If the owner of this Forum thought I should have reacted differently, then he would certainly have warned me about it. But that is his right as the owner, not yours. If I have offended your feelings by deleting that topic, then I apologize to you. I hope that one day in the future you will be able to forget that topic and move on with your healed feelings. 

22 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Interesting remark even though I haven't alluded to it, but now that you mentioned it - Look at the thread, and take a good look at your response as to mine regarding solutions.

Regarding solutions. Your solutions and counsels or recommendations, that without doubt are good, would be, i guess, welcomed in WTJWorg if you deliver to them in writing. WTJWorg is a large system that has millions of members and millions of those associated with them. So, if they got the information you have about solving a CSA problem, you would do a good deed that would benefit millions. 

22 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

You have a platform, you are all over the place,

On contrary, i am only on this platform, JW Open Club. Please, tell us all here, what are those names of "all over the place" where i am and, allegedly, participate, and supposedly, I make an impact on millions ?   

22 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Clearly you are not grounded at all concerning CSA

And you thought I was an expert on this subject? 

[Srecko Sostar]

21 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

the below mugshot

Do all abusers "look" this awful? Or do you mistakenly promote the image of abusers looking messy and neglected? 

[Space Merchant]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do all abusers "look" this awful? Or do you mistakenly promote the image of abusers looking messy and neglected? 

This one in particular sparked something in UK history that helped push the arrest of child abusers. The fact you do not know this, although not directed to you, shows you may not know a whole lot about the CSA situation in the UK.

 

Thank you for showing me this, Srecko.

Also the above you are repeating yourself and post some of this before. The thread linked already answered you, twice. Nice try though.

 

That being said, nowhere ever, even once, you spoke groundedly about CSA, ever on this forum, let alone made a comment in this manner. FYI.

[Space Merchant]

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, if we count few individuals at this Forum, called Jehovah's Witnesses Open Club, with informative topics.

And what is the point of this?

The Club is a Jehovah's Witness Club, whereas it's predecessor was Controversial Post, post at your own risk with the possibility of being challenged.

The forum is an open forum, hence the domain.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

This Open JW Club is in fact "illegal" in the eyes of WTJWorg and GB and Legal Department. In what sense  "illegal"?  The title of club contains the name Jehovah's Witnesses. I assume that the name Jehovah's Witnesses  is the intellectual property of WTJWorg and should not be used without their consent. Because the club does not have the approval of the GB to promote JW religious ideas beyond/out of the range of official JW religious teachings of the JW Church and outside the official JW channels. Because this club does not have the GB approval to conduct any debate that calls into question the JW religious system. Because there is no GB approval for the discussion to be led by current and former JW members (discussion of this type, ie interaction between current and former members is actually completely forbidden by GB). If the JW elders of the congregations, to which the members of this club belong, learned that these JW brothers and sisters are members of this club and that they are participants in the discussions, they would be invited to serious conversation and at least warned if not rebuked or even excluded / dfd from the JW assembly.

And? This is Invision based forum by the way. If you noticed, Invision forums isn't isolated to a specific group. I don't see why you're whining about approval of JW religious leaders. Invision is an open community, even Admin addressed that several times. If you want a JW only based, they made their own.

That being said, https://invisioncommunity.com/.

The rules in place are the ones @admin brought forth, and made it known in a John Butler thread. He even addresses that every single one of us are of a religious backing, and some are not. On this forums the only hot and active clubs and or home topics are the obvious.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Oh man. You are "worst" than them.   If 30 year old JW male member claimed how this are all lies, in 2015, and one GB member made similar claim on JWTV, then problem is not about "how to deal" with something (CSA in this moment), but about general denial that CSA exist inside WTJWorg. Other GB member made different view when made public statements.

On the contrary, anyone who actually examined Case Study 29 and 54 (which you have not, clearly), is in relation to my response, as I have stated a while ago also. It is still on the ARC website. Ironic how after all this time, you never read into any of it, granted it is public. Even key details are left out by most of the EXJW camp, I wonder why?

You are clearly convoluting the context and deviated from what my response was about ARC's public information.

Actually on the contrary, it does revolve around the how and when, even for those who profess detection, therefore, you missed your mark.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I'm glad you mentioned that. When I realized that the topic could become a source of misinformation because I didn’t understand the English text in the video well, so I misinterpreted it, deleting the topic was a good choice, in my opinion. If the owner of this Forum thought I should have reacted differently, then he would certainly have warned me about it. But that is his right as the owner, not yours. If I have offended your feelings by deleting that topic, then I apologize to you. I hope that one day in the future you will be able to forget that topic and move on with your healed feelings. 

You had it up for a long period of time. The only reason you were reminded of this because you attempt to use that information in a refutation and failed, when you were told 4 times it was false. Until the evidence came along, you quickly deleted.

This did not stop because anything Mutual Funds related, United Nations based, and or Bible based, you continued to do the same thing on the backing of others who adopted the Conspiracy Theory Mindset (you know this already of how I look at such), even though all of it was proven to be both misinformation and false. Moreover, me being, Anti-Leftism and Anti-Right even with evidence made against them, you still believed the sprinkled propaganda from the paradigm, an Alt-Right one. Witness attempted to use a video to make an explanation, which was an utter failure, due to the fact, I know these groups well, I have rivals in said groups, as is with a frienemy, who came out of these groups who aided against fighting pornography and other brazen conduct, she herself had pedophiles attack her online, to which several of us put an end to it.

Regarding the Bible, you bashed some verses without knowing the context, and you were corrected, several times, mainly regarding Psalm 137:9, then you suddenly spoke about JWs to avoid Bible discussion and or Bible Fact. You became a Yes Man to unproven remarks Bible related, and again when you cannot bring any further information, you jump to JWs again, which shows you are dependent on them, which I told you before.

That puts you en route to be like that of the Cheshire Cat in a sense, on your part.

This is even evident here of you not knowing the case studies in which ARC made public. Being checked on ARC at this moment is the last thing you want.

I do not forget things, the reason I bring them up is because some people tend to repeat the same thing, therefore, get called out for it, and when it is called out, people can see the mistake being played out again, as well as guests who come to this forum to witness it.

That being said, the video in question focuses on partial parts of ARC, it never addressed everything in the findings itself, likewise with the commentary. It isn't grounded, and it appears one sided, and the commentary most likely does not know much about Australian Parliament.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Regarding solutions. Your solutions and counsels or recommendations, that without doubt are good, would be, i guess, welcomed in WTJWorg if you deliver to them in writing. WTJWorg is a large system that has millions of members and millions of those associated with them. So, if they got the information you have about solving a CSA problem, you would do a good deed that would benefit millions. 

They're not my solutions, they are sourced from CSA prevention. The same source of which you agreed with Witness on a while back, however, when it is professed by someone else, you change your tune.

As for JWs, if you actually read into ARC, some of the findings in their publications even addressed, this is evident in their citations and examples. The teenager even linked them all to you in the other thread. Moreover, it was even pointed out some make an effort to apply it, while others succumb to bystander syndrome to a degree, thinking that nothing of that magnitude will happened to them, as with other forms of harm that results in injury and or death, for all things are unexpected, as the Bible says.

Child Abuse, be it sex, violence, mental, etc can be reduced, and or prevented, hence the solutions if applied well, however, Child Abuse cannot be stopped 100%, as addressed. That is like saying you can end racism, war, gun violence, hunger, etc. Steps can be taken to prevent, but cannot cease these things. Imperfect man cannot turn the world into a paradise, only God and his Christ can do these things, rendering all that effects man in a bad way, nonexistent.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On contrary, i am only on this platform, JW Open Club. Please, tell us all here, what are those names of "all over the place" where i am and, allegedly, participate, and supposedly, I make an impact on millions ?   

On the contrary, you are on many platforms. You can easily be found with a search and 2 years ago, the JW Teen recognized you from elsewhere.

In today's society, no one is of a singular platform, therefore, such ones are  kidding themselves. You are able to access this website because you have an email, associated with that name, and that email is linked with wherever you decided to ink your statements, opinions, and the like.

It is not a question of impacting millions, it is in regards to reaching whomever you can. When I helped out children, it was always a small group, 3-4 kids in my community that is culturally connected, eventually other kids show up, be it White, Asian, etc, they are the types who often seek encouragement and knowledge of many things, for kids and teens are effected by events in school, clubs, etc, even indirectly of world based impacts. They're is always people seeking information, a skill, likewise, even adults, or the elderly.

This is a club, the platform is a forum based, reasons why you have an email linked to here. Granted if you can be found anywhere else outside of this forum, shows you have other platforms you go to, as with this is evident to the other responses you made, even to the JW teen, the same reason you were asked what have you done so far.

Note: That JW knew who you are and addressed you by a name, which confused me the first time I saw it. The name connects you to multiple platforms. Do not kid yourself because your remark can be used against you here, as is 1 John 4:1.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you thought I was an expert on this subject? 

Clearly you do not know what a grounded conversation is. You are talking about CSA right now, are you not? Yet, you never made any post or thread, here or elsewhere that is a grounded discussion. You don't need to be an expert to do so. 

This is why I mentioned to @Patiently waiting for Truth about what unfolded in London. The British people who came to confront the religious people of the park, even the non religious wanted to come to an understanding when it comes to the big problem they are facing, Child Abuse and grooming gangs. This evidently spawned groups, as is prevented chaos in the park whereas people were hunting down specific groups or any English speaking British person, pinning the blame on them. If the events of 2018 did not happened, there wouldn't be a fight against CSA in the UK around that time, with the remnant from the park still active to this day. They cannot combat Grooming Gangs directly, as we seen what happened with Robinson vs High status child molesters protected by UK Law that nearly sparked the chaos in the park to continue.

That being said, it would be wise on your part, speaking about CSA for years here, yet never adhered to any grounded form of talk. Also I recommend you read up on ARC because some information, even by means of your video, is withheld.

[Space Merchant]

17 hours ago, ApostaBabe Linda James said:

I know that I wasn't directly asked this question by you, but this looks to be the same person in both of these shots. Would that be correct?

Yep, it is the same person, I asked JB if he knew the mugshot for a reason, it was all over UK media at one point. It is in relation to something to push a fight against CSA, which as for a while the system in some instances have been brushed off at times by police in the UK.

Seeing that the other two will not even addressed this at all. Child Abuse, although a plague in every place around the globe, educational/religious institutions, academics, clubs, etc, even in recreational settings, there will be pockets of people who will exploit those around them in order to sexually abuse and or commit violence to a child. In The United States and the United Kingdom it is problematic, and eventually with the events taking place now with governments, it loosens the barrier for things. Both have vile, infamous abusers, but since the focus is the UK, they have some of the most twisted ones on top of the pedophilia food chain, excluding the grooming gangs.

The man in the picture I posted is among the infamous abusers, his name is Roy Whiting, a British convicted child murderer and offender, from West Sussex county.

As pointed out to both @Srecko Sostarand @Patiently waiting for Truth, pedophiles who act on their disorder seek to cause harm to a child, either sexually or by violence, both of which physical. This man took it a step further, and he does not try to enter churches or schools to gain access to a child or manipulate people around him, be it teachers or pastors, he hunted down and kidnapped underaged girls, as well as being deranged. This is why, often times, abusers who act outside of such are difficult to deal with, mainly those who are more aggressive.

This abuser had kidnapped a 9 year old girl in Crawley and sexually assaulted her, and was only caught and arrested a few weeks later after a friend of his knew about what he did and came forward, even identifying the car Roy was driving in, which he tried to get rid of. After this, Roy admitted to the charges of  charges of abduction and indecent assault and was given prison time for 4 years, nearly getting life. As pointed out to @Patiently waiting for Truth the justice system a double edged sword and is a double standard, and this resulted in Roy getting a lesser sentence because of admitting to the crime and as well as sparing his victim of having to give evidence in court had the case reached a trial. After this he was admitted to a Psychiatrist, confessing that he was likely to do the same thing, re-offend once he was released with a possibility killing any would be victim.

Despite this event, he was later released in 1997, having served just over half of his 4 year sentence, in addition to being one of the first people in Britain to go on the newly-launched sex offenders register. He was scheduled to have been released from prison in June of that same year, but had to serve an additional 5 months in prison for refusing to take part in a rehabilitation program for convicted sex offenders.

This brings us to the girl in the picture, and from the aftermath, the Law that was created.

Whiting then moved to Littlehampton on West Sussex and was there for some time. He was still visited by officers from Sussex Police who did  a number of inquiries into the disappearance of Sarah Payne (an 8 year old girl from West Sussex), who had gone missing in the Kingston Gorse area of Littlehampton the previous evening several miles from where Roy lives. Despite being released, knowing what he is capable of, he was the one responsible for Sarah Payne disappearance; the police did not take him in then, only much later on they re-arrested him on suspicion. There was still not enough evidence to charge him with and so he was released without charge for a second time.

In 2001, Whiting was convicted of the abduction and murder of Sarah Payne and was sentenced to life imprisonment, with a recommendation that he never be released. After Whiting was convicted, it was revealed that he was already a convicted child sex offender; this the the Payne family's correct in their belief that Sarah had been killed by a child sex offender who had already committed similar offences, which had already led to them co-operating with a media campaign for public access to the sex offenders register, as well as tighter controls on sex offenders who had been released from custody. This campaign had started within days of Sarah Payne's body being found, and several months before Whiting had even been charged.

Whiting's previous conviction had until then been kept from the jury at the request of the police, who felt that if they had heard details of his previous conviction and he had been found guilty, it would allow him to claim that he had been convicted on the basis of an earlier offence rather than the one for which he was being tried, paving the way for a potential successful appeal.

There were renewed calls for the government to allow a controlled public access to the sex offender's register. This became the campaign for what is known as Sarah's Law (also known as The Child Sex Offender Disclosure Scheme in England and Wales) due to the aftermath, after the introduction of Megan's Law in the US following a similar case several years earlier. After a 3 year trial period in a few police districts from 2008-2011, Sarah's Law was expanded to the entirety of the United Kingdom in 2010, a law known by the majority.

From the aftermath of the convicted pedophile, Sarah's Laws allows parents/guardians and or relative to ask the police if somebody with regular access to their children has a record of sexual offenses, which is utilized today, however, there had been some issues with the police concerning this later on, whereas anything related the police tries to misdirect callers, mainly for those who are seeking information.

https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/sarahs-law-what-uk-explained-sarah-payne-murder-killer-child-sex-offender-disclosure-scheme-307014

That being said, it is very tragic of what happened to her, as with most. For if she was alive today, she would be close to my age. She is lived on through her siblings, especially her sister, who, to this day, looks just like her.

Roy Whiting is but one sex offender among UK's history, there are others, far grim, far worse, one in particular so disgustingly twisted mentality it is as if he was pulled from Batman's Rogue gallery out of Arkham Asylum. Pedophiles are often attacked and or killed in prison, the one I equated to a Batman villain, was tortured, killed and was allegedly about to be eaten by one of the prisoners, this person is The worse pedophile ever known dubbed Britain's worst pedophile. The US also have some crazies too outside of the schools and churches.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, the video in question focuses on partial parts of ARC, it never addressed everything in the findings itself, likewise with the commentary. It isn't grounded, and it appears one sided, and the commentary most likely does not know much about Australian Parliament.

So why then does the WTJWorg official site not put on its site the complete video program and all the ARC records to be available to any orthodox JW who is not on other platforms like me and others like me?

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

On the contrary, you are on many platforms. You can easily be found with a search and 2 years ago, the JW Teen recognized you from elsewhere.

I am a regular guest on this Forum, for now. Sometimes I leave a comment on another YT video or someone’s blog or whatever it’s called, a page or something. So it’s not a problem that I have the freedom to choose and view other people’s content elsewhere. But you make a big question out of it. Am I interested in which platforms you operate on? Not. But you’re someone who checks other people’s internet activity and then forges your own theories. Relax a little, please nice.

[Space Merchant]

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So why then does the WTJWorg official site not put on its site.

What is stopping you from going to ARC to even read it? It was said many times here, ARC's information is open to the public.

Other then that, that is quite a baseless remark; with a bit of reaching, and for reason. 

That being said, you coined ARC, do yourself the favor and look into the findings themselves, the same ones that your video source has withheld from you.

Other then that, cease the reaching.

Here is the link for ARC - https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/ You can find Jehovah's Witnesses and all things pertaining to them from a 2 second search, not difficult as you make it out to be.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

orthodox JW who is not on other platforms like me and others like me?

I'm pretty sure every single JW who has access to the internet are found on multiple platforms. 

Also seeing your history elsewhere, you are not a grounded person, as it is true here as well.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I am a regular guest on this Forum, for now.

Sure. But you're no quest, you logged in with an email, from a device tied to an IP Address via ISP on an open forum. One thing for certain, this proves that birds do not provide you internet access hence our last discussion regarding that.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I leave a comment on another YT

I thought you said you do not have a platform? Yesterday you said you do not have such things, now here you revealed to hypocritical state you have access to YouTube (logged into via email, from a device, tied to an IP via ISP).

You leave comments, yet, nothing grounded or impactful to encourage a neutral discussion and or conversation about sex abuse.... Therefore your remark from yesterday was not true, let alone what you told the teenager.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

someone’s blog or whatever it’s called, a page or something.

Here we go again... Access to someone's blog, using an email from a device, tied to an IP via ISP....

Yesterday remark is starting not to age well.... A poor choice of words at best.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So it’s not a problem that I have the freedom to choose and view other people’s content elsewhere.

It isn't about a freedom to profess elsewhere. You deliberately stated you only have this open forum as a platform.... Yet now you expose yourself without me saying anything.

On 9/22/2021 at 1:49 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

i am only on this platform, JW Open Club.

Even if you did counsel such things, you can easily be found out.

The club isn't a platform, the forum is, hence the provider mentioned way at the bottom.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But you make a big question out of it.

Probably because you can talk about child sex abuse. In your other platforms, you post links and post things about awareness, mainly because of animals even advocate of aiding animals and the like, which I know because the teenager referred to you as Frida a few times, which confused me.

But for some unknown reason you often speak about JWs from one sided sources, yet never used the opportunity to speak about child sex abuse from both sides of the spectrum or at a neutral setting.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Am I interested in which platforms you operate on?

Clearly not. But I am not unwise to say having access to the internet, therefore only remaining on a single forum. I would not say something absurd to hide hypocrisy either.

Devices and internet majority of the time 99.99% equates to access to other platforms, as long as you have an email (also derives from a platform, G+, Outlook, Yahoo, etc.)

That being said, the Information Tech infrastructure  is what I dwell on, so I can see through the farce, even yours.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But you’re someone who checks other people’s internet activity and then forges your own theories.

I only called you out, nothing more.

Srecko, this is why I said you pretend not to know, I hate theories, mainly conspiracy theories, I am Anti-Agenda, and I have a total dislike for the Left and Right Paradigm. Truthers hate theories for the fact that is results in misinformation, even getting people killed, i.e. Serena Shim, Seth Rich, Beck going into hiding (washed) etc and what revolved around their deaths; and how the MSM spins things.

The only reason you can easily be found out in regards to platforms because all someone has to do is look up "Srecko Sostar" and everything is shown, as with your remarks. I need not do anything because your own name puts you in the spotlight. Just google yourself, see what comes up, you are everywhere on many platforms.

Conspiracy Theories found it's way into Child Sex Abuse and Missing Persons cases, and that in of itself is damaging, I see it all the time, mainly when pedophile is weaponized. More so, JWI may not see what I see, but pedophilia seen as normal to some is a problem, people seeking to normalize it exist and you see how much of a problem that would be, hence my issue with the New York Times' agenda, which Butler did not see.

Other than that, continue to kid yourself because the JW teen said the same thing, if you have a platform, you can use it in this manner, in fact, I can quote him

My friend, we aren't talking about Activism, or to make change. The issue of morality stems from Scripture even, for if there is a danger, counsel can be given in a discussion about the subject matter.

It does not matter if someone is young or if someone is old - you are on a platform where child abuse is openly discussion even at random, it shouldn't stop you or anyone from providing insight. Perhaps now would be the best time to do so. Like I said, there was only one thread that was Bible heavy on the matter because of discussion, if that can be done, you can do the same, after all, you can create threads as someone on this forum, since you did nothing, you can do something now.

Therefore, you can do something. Does not have to be anything major either. I say this because for some ExJWs they don’t really cover these things.

That being said, the fact you didn't know the mugshot results question of how well you are aware of sex and violence abuse crimes done to children and teens in the UK. The story of Sarah was a major story which can be felt to this day; to make a thread about CSA in the UK, but not knowing this, shows that you aren't really into any discussion about child sex abuse, even the ones taking place in the JW churches.

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Sure. But you're no quest, you logged

Wrong choice of words. Yes, i am Member in this Club.  If I want to leave a comment in this club or on some other page, then it is logical that I have to log in. Does that make me a “member” who swears allegiance?  If you do not want to loosen your perseverance, feel free to continue in the same scenario. I don’t mind if people want to see where I left a comment or tagged a video with “like”.

Perhaps you have some sort of a OCD in this matter (as in Glasgow case too), as our other member of this club, Arauna, would say. Waiting for your (long) response. 

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Here is the link for ARC - https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/

One of our case studies examined the responses of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to allegations of child sexual abuse. We also held an institutional review hearing to provide an opportunity for the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to inform us of its current policies and procedures in relation to child protection and child safe standards, including responding to allegations of child sexual abuse.

As of 31 May 2017, of the 4,029 survivors who told us during private sessions about child sexual abuse in religious institutions, 70 survivors told us about abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Of the victims we heard about, 80.0 per cent were female. The average age of victims at the time of first abuse was 8.4 years. Of the 53 survivors who told us about the age of the person who sexually abused them, 44 survivors (83.0 per cent) told us about abuse by an adult and 12 survivors (22.6 per cent) told us about abuse by a child. A small number of survivors told us about sexual abuse by an adult and by a child. The vast majority of survivors who told us about abuse by an adult perpetrator said they were abused by a male adult.

Of the 65 survivors who told us during private sessions about the role of a perpetrator, 26.2 per cent told us about child sexual abuse by family members. This was considered to be within our Terms of Reference when the sexual abuse was reported to and handled by the religious institution. We also heard from survivors about other perpetrators including volunteers (13.8 per cent), lay leaders (9.2 per cent) and other adults who attended the religious institution (9.2 per cent).

As part of our case study, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation provided us with files containing allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse. They provided us with documents relating to at least 1,800 children and over 1,000 alleged perpetrators.

Institutional responses to child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses

Our case study regarding the Jehovah’s Witnesses showed that the organisation dealt with allegations of child sexual abuse in accordance with internal, scripturally based disciplinary policies and procedures. We found that at least until 1998, individuals making complaints of child sexual abuse were required to state their allegations in the presence of the person against whom the allegations were made. The ‘two-witness’ rule applied – that is, wrongdoing could only be established on the basis of testimony from two or more ‘credible’ eyewitnesses to the same incident (or strong circumstantial evidence testified to by at least two witnesses or testimony of two witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing). Allegations were investigated by elders, all of whom were men and had no relevant training.

We found that in deciding the sanctions to impose and/or the precautions to take in relation to a known or suspected perpetrator of child sexual abuse, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation had inadequate regard for the risk that the person might reoffend. Alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse who were removed from their congregations as a result of allegations of child sexual abuse were frequently reinstated. We found no evidence of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation reporting allegations of child sexual abuse to police or other civil authorities.

During our case study we heard from survivors of child sexual abuse that they were not provided with adequate information by the Jehovah’s Witness organisation about the investigation of their allegations, felt unsupported by the elders who handled the allegations, and felt that the investigation process was a test of their credibility rather than that of the alleged perpetrator. We also heard that victims of child sexual abuse were told by congregational elders not to discuss the abuse with others, and that if they tried to leave the organisation, they were ‘shunned’ or ostracised from their religious community.

Contributing factors in the Jehovah’s Witnesses

We considered a number of factors that may have contributed to the occurrence of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses or to inadequate institutional responses to such abuse.

The Jehovah’s Witness organisation addresses child sexual abuse in accordance with scriptural direction, relying on a literal interpretation of the Bible and 1^st century principles to set practice, policy and procedure. These include the ‘two-witness’ rule as discussed, as well as the principle of ‘male headship’ (that men hold positions of authority in congregations and headship in the family). Scripturally, only men can make decisions. Other scripture-based policies include the sanctions of reproval (a form of discipline that allows a perpetrator to remain in the congregation), disfellowshipping (exclusion or excommunication as a form of punishment for serious scriptural wrongdoing), and shunning (an instruction to the congregation not to associate with a disfellowshipped person). As long as the Jehovah’s Witness organisation continues to apply these practices in its response to allegations of child sexual abuse, it will remain an organisation that does not respond adequately to child sexual abuse and that fails to protect children.

We recommend that the Jehovah’s Witness organisation abandon its application of the two-witness rule in cases involving complaints of child sexual abuse (Recommendation 16.27), revise its policies so that women are involved in processes relating to investigating and determining allegations of child sexual abuse (Recommendation 16.28), and no longer require its members to shun those who disassociate from the organisation in cases where the reason for disassociation is related to a person being a victim of child sexual abuse (Recommendation 16.29).

We welcome the inclusion in the recently published Child safeguarding policy of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia of a requirement to report child sexual abuse to civil authorities in cases where elders consider that a child may still be at risk of harm. The Jehovah’s Witness organisation should also amend all of its policies and procedures relating to child sexual abuse to ensure that this requirement is included.

Which of these was posted on the WTJWorg official site for JW members to read? Did they post a link like you did at this club?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

It seems as if Truthers, or at least one Truther,  should be called a Snooper 

definition of snoopers by The Free Dictionary

https://www.thefreedictionary.com › snoopers

 

To pry into the private affairs of others, especially by prowling about.

 

I didn't know @Space Merchant was so bored that he spent his time snooping on people's internet activity. 

 

Maybe I have to confess that i have around five Facebook pages. One is directed at Leaving the JW Org. 

I may even have a Youtube account but i would think it is inactive.  

 

I do see FB as a 'platform' of sorts and it is very useful to use to 'Preach the Good News of the Kingdom' whilst remaining outside of the JW domination. It's nice to be able to tell people that we ARE in the Last Days, without having to put silly dates or years on it. It's nice to be albe to show people that a Christian can be balanced. 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I didn't know @Space Merchant was so bored that he spent his time snooping on people's internet activity.

He is an interesting character. I presenting myself with real name (some would say that is a risk, because bad people can use photo and name for evil purpose) on this Forum and elsewhere if i leave comment or put "like". He have idea how visiting internet places, let say 1, 5 or 35 of millions that exists, means how person is "all over the place". Perhaps, guess internet only, and not all over geographic places, all over time places/points, or all over parallel universe, or in some third space-time reality.

On contrary he representing himself with false name and an icon/figure that is strange. From some SF movie or what. Who can guarantee that he don't  visiting 100 platforms under 100 false names?