How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.

[Pudgy]

42

[Witness]

4 hours ago, Anna said:

He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so.

He told his audience that the wicked who are trying to "assimilate" them into their world, are numbered “900 to one”.  He is labeling all outside of the organization as enemies, people to fear.  And the enemies of JWs will be destroyed in Armageddon.  

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Yes, we agree God reads hearts, and yes, He will determine who is saved, regardless of what we think.

I appreciate your opinion, but is it also regardless of what A. Morris thinks?  He put on quite a dramatic performance illustrating how those he hates will be destroyed.

4 hours ago, Anna said:

"Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".

Dear Anna, 

The house built on sand, is a house that is built on wrong teachings, men's doctrines that are always shifting.   There is ample evidence that this identifies your organization as the house built on sand.  Think back from the beginning until now.  

5 hours ago, Anna said:

I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.

I know elders in the area who laze around and get drunk.  The same elders who hid a child abuse incident from the congregation.  They claim to believe in Jesus.

 

 

[Pudgy]

Again, 42.

 

 

[Witness]

5 hours ago, Anna said:

8 hours ago, Witness said:

Stephen Lett numbered the “wicked” against the number of JWs as “900 to one”.  By calling them all wicked, he is essentially labeling all outside of the organization as having no chance of being saved at Armageddon.  They have been judged by your leader. 

He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so.

What you believe and what you are being taught are two different things.

Soon, now, the wicked world will be destroyed.  “Survival”  chapter 13 p. 98-104

What will end, then? The present “age” of wickedness.  W 74 1/1 p. 4

Soon Jehovah will annihilate all the wicked on earth, just as the Bible says. W 95 2/13 p. 13-17

At  Rev 21:1 “the former earth” refers, not to this planet, but to wicked human society that will be destroyed. W 90 9/15 p. 5-7

Thus, the incorrigibly wicked will be gone, as will all wicked governments, which will be dissolved and replaced by God’s heavenly rule, or Kingdom. W 12 2/1 p. 25

After the wicked are destroyed, Jesus will rule as King for 1,000 years.  Enjoy Life Forever  Lesson 33

According to Lett, the "wicked human society" found outside of the organization, numbers 900 to 1.  He is not distinguishing between those who have rejected the JW message and the rest of human society. 

 

 

 

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Again, 42.

 

 

Speaking of all things 'univers'...al, I thought you had a sci-fi book in the works.  🙂

[Pudgy]

Wow!  I completely forgot about that!

[TrueTomHarley]

18 hours ago, Anna said:

I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.

Yes, of course. Believing in Jesus whole-heartedly doesn’t mean beans in itself—unless you define “whole-heartedly” as embracing the scriptures you included:

18 hours ago, Anna said:

;  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"

AND "Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".

Though the crazy faux-anointed person here appends scriptures to her comments for tonnage, she can never find the relevant ones, as you have.  

When it comes to who will be saved, the Christian organization is not authorized to go beyond what the scripture plainly says: 

“Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you…” (1 Peter 3:21)

If they have any private thoughts on this, those they must keep to themselves. Of course, baptism assumes doing it the biblical way, not the sprinkled baptism of infants, not the baptism to the hellfire/trinity God. 

The governing brothers choose not to speculate on this matter. They choose to be bounded by 1 Peter 3:21. We, who do not have a worldwide association of brothers to coach, (though Her Craziness thinks she does) are freer to speculate. When a loved one of mine was asked specifically whether this one or that one will be saved, she replied that she was not Jesus and didn’t know.

The organization does the best it can. Not all scriptures dovetail. It remains to be seen how certain things will work out. “You will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.” (Matt 10:23) throws a monkey wrench into worldwide coverage. This verse has been cited to show not every person will be adequately reached, maybe not at all, so the question arises just what is God going to do about that come Armageddon? From what I can recall, they only gingerly touch that one. (They have said in the past that the mentally incompetent should get a free pass, so maybe we’re all okay here.)

At any rate, the Watchtower statement to carry the day is easily found on the website. To the question, “Do Jehovah’s Witnesses feel they are the only ones who will be saved?” included in the answer is: “In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.” If they have seemed to judge in the past, it’s because they don’t feel free to blow away1 Peter 3:21 as though it were nothing.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/

Then, too, from the Insight book (under the topic Destruction) comes this beaut, that indicates we don’t even know ones destroyed by Jehovah suffer eternal destruction: 

The Bible indicates that not all destruction is eternal. This is demonstrated by the fact that the Hebrew word ʼavad·dohnʹ (destruction) is used twice to parallel “Sheol.” (Job 26:6; Pr 15:11) ….When speaking of the destruction of the rebels Dathan and Abiram, Moses wrote that they went down “alive into Sheol.” (Nu 16:31, 33) Since Sheol in the Bible denotes the common grave of mankind from which there will be a resurrection, it is evident that not all destruction—not even all destruction at the hand of God—is necessarily eternal.

So even Patiently Sitting on his Hands, that piece of work, who thinks he will not survive Armageddon and assumes that gives him the stature to advise others….well, maybe he is right and he won’t survive and still I’ll see that dodo on the other side someday, in which case I’ll take back the bad things I’ve said about him and maybe he’ll do the same with me.

[Pudgy]

No.

[Arauna]

20 minutes ago, WalterPrescott said:

there is that little pesky thing, who will inherit the earth. I guess to some here, it means those that interpret scripture in a flagrant way.

What could I deduct from your "intellectual "discussion is that you do not believe that some individuals would inherit the earth? Or if you do, that some here is not worthy of that promise?

[xero]

1 Cor. 1:19-20

[Arauna]

15 minutes ago, WalterPrescott said:

How would anyone here counter that argument?

Thanks for explaining - I no longer counter this person's arguments.  They never make sense but are utterances of repetitive hate-OCD.   

[xero]

37 minutes ago, WalterPrescott said:

It seems you are saying you're not a Wiseman! Then what's your purpose of posting stupidity<><

Get a job.