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*** w74 6/15 p. 376 par. 8 Serve with Eternity in View ***

8 This kingdom, the means by which eternal life is possible for us, is a heavenly government. Jesus himself is the chief Ruler, and he is to have 144,000 corulers who have been chosen from mankind and called by God to heavenly life. (Rom. 8:16, 17; Luke 22:29; Rev. 5:9, 10; 14:1) The paramount importance of this kingdom is seen in the emphasis that God put on it in the Bible. It was the chief subject of Jesus’ preaching. (Matt. 4:23) Also, it is to the spirit-anointed Christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the Christian Greek Scriptures is directed, including the promises of everlasting life.

*** w06 6/1 p. 24 par. 12 Jehovah Tells “From the Beginning the Finale” ***

12 The foreordination of the 144,000 does not mean that certain individuals were predestined to serve God faithfully in this way. Indeed, the admonition in the Christian Greek Scriptures was written primarily to guide and strengthen anointed ones to maintain integrity and keep themselves worthy of their heavenly calling. (Philippians 2:12; 2 Thessalonians 1:5, 11; 2 Peter 1:10, 11) Jehovah knows in advance that 144,000 individuals will qualify to serve his purpose. Who they prove to be depends on how those invited individually choose to live their life, a decision that each one of them must make personally.—Matthew 24:13.

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Yeah the bible was written for all. But there are those out there that want to or has altered the bible so people can cherry pick it.

Believe or not, this Trinity belief that some seem to toot around is the sole purpose as to why Christianity in the US and the EU is declining fast. Only those that know the truth remain steadfast.

 

That being said, I have recently delved deep into looking into manuscripts and the history for some, like the Septuagint for example.

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      It brought my thoughts to God’s present spiritual nation “Israel” under the rule of a rebellious spiritual “Edom”, the “Gentile” Man of Lawlessness/Elder Body. 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
      Yet, how are the anointed ones under the rod of God?
      Although Jesus Christ warned his servants of the potential danger, God has allowed His people under covenant, to be enamored by “fruit” presented by false “christs”. Matt 24:23-25 These fallen anointed ones had previously taken the first bite of Satan’s offer of “knowing good and bad”, and gaining potential to weave truth with lies. Gen 3:5; 2 Pet 3:17 Under Satan’s influence, they have paved the way to destruction, through their own acceptance of his gift, bestowing on them power and authority over God’s anointed people. Matt 4:8,9; 2 Cor 11:2,3; Isa 28:15; Rev 17:5; 13:11 
      As the last military ruse devised by Satan, a worldly arrangement is utilized to sift and ultimately “harvest” each heart. These leaders are the puppets he needed to captivate and inflict harm on God’s anointed ones, under the false pretense labeled “the truth”. 1 John 5:19; Matt 24:4,8,11; 2 Cor 11:3; Matt.13:26,30,38-41 
      By also accepting this clever offering of poisonous “fruit”, God’s people have chosen an idol to lead and protect them, instead of relying fully on God alone. Matt 7:15-20; Col 2:8; Rev 8:10,11
      God allows this sifting to occur, which reveals our choice in whom we choose to serve – either Him, with our entire mind, heart and soul; or Satan and his seemingly illustrious…lies. Mark 12:30; John 8:44  Jesus suffered under similar testing by Satan. Luke 22:31;4:5-7; James 5:10-11; 1 Pet 2:21 Satan uses a strong (of “superhuman power”) corrupt delusion that overcomes the anointed and their companions in the time of the end. 2 Thess 2:9; Rev 13:1,2,4 
      Please COMPARE the two following quotes from the Watchtower:
      "Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking REFUGE in Jehovah AND his…
      … MOUNTAINLIKE ORGANIZATION." Wt. 11/1/15 pp. 3-7
      Can an organization that proclaims to be one's spiritual REFUGE be an effective sifting trap for Satan to employ? Amos 3:5;Ps 64:5,6
      Wt. 1974/12/1 pp. 728-734 – “The symbolic “TRAP” that Satan the Devil has set for those who trust in Jehovah God as their “REFUGE” and “STRONGHOLD”, is the EARTHLY ORGANIZATION that is OPPOSED to God’s organization, namely, Satan’s VISIBLE ORGANIZATION.”
       
      This rather confusing quote is implying that Satan’s earthly, worldly, and visible organization, opposes God’s true “organization”. Satan’s organization “traps” the unsuspecting, who believe they are putting their complete trust in God as their REFUGE, yet are duped by Satan’s powerful delusion.
      What is this quote signifying to YOU, JWs?
      The WT “mountainlike organization” is visibly distinct; and completely immersed in the operations of the earthy realm. It cannot exist without the world’s help, thus it is far from a “heavenly” organization, which would be spirit-driven by God. 1 John 2:14,15; Heb 12:22; 2 Pet 1:18 Its leaders rely fully on how they can implement not only your money, but all political and industrial aspects in this earthly realm. 1 John 5:19
      They are earthly men, without the knowledge of “heavenly” things. John 3:12; 8:23; 1 Cor 2:12-14; James 3:15; Col 3:1,2; Heb.11:1,2,8,10,16
      In the last quote, Satan knows what he’s implying, but do you? Should there be any devoted attachment to ANY earthly entity, that gives equal footing to, even outranking, our devotion to God and His Son? Isa 46:5 Can you detect the trap that Satan has so deviously set, yet has cleverly revealed in the Wt. quote? 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 12:4,13,15,17
      But notice what your earthly rulers ALSO tell you:
      Km 8/82 - “Jehovah God rightly expects each of us to maintain a DEVOTED ATTACHMENT to him AND HIS VISIBLE EARTHLY ORGANIZATION.”
      Rom 1:25 – “They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.”
      What sort of “created things”? Strong’s defines the word by saying, “in Greek writings the act of founding, establishing, building, etc.”…….
      ……THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION ***** “JEHOVAH’S MOUNTAINLIKE, VISIBLE, EARTHLY ORGANIZATION”.
      It is important to learn the details of YHVH’s authentic “organization” – the anointed Body of Christ; the Temple of God and His dwelling place. 1 Cor 3:16,17 Please, endeavor to learn truth from God’s Word.
      For this idolatrous choice, spiritual “Israel” has fallen under the rule of “Babylon the Great”, the “mother” covenant of death. Isa 28:15 Spiritual “Edom” has aided the trampling of God’s Temple by imposing their given authority to ‘set themselves up’ in the Temple of God for the purpose of conquering the holy ones, and bringing the power of the “holy ones” to nothing. Obadiah 1:3,4,10; Ps 37:7; Dan 12:7; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17 
      The area of Mount Seir, located south of the Dead Sea, commonly refers to the Edomite nation. When Esau moved into that area, his family mingled and intermarried with the Horite people. Eventually, they fell under the rule of Esau’s descendants and were displaced by Edom.
      As I glanced at the various root meanings of the name “Seir”, I found it widely describes a sinister place. Here are some of its descriptive connotations:
      “to sweep or whirl away”, “storm”, “horror”, “horrid”, “a horrible thing”, “disgusting”, “demon, satyr”, “to shudder in the face of something”, “to tear in two, split, divide or tear down”, “measure, calculate”, and “a means of controlled access to a walled city”.
      I think we get the picture, that through the graphic meaning of the name, we can transcend its description to the people that inhabited Mount Seir – a vicious, evil nation whose goal was to wipe out Israel. It shows me also, the similarities between Mount Seir and the “mountainlike organization” that Satan uses today to control access to the true Temple priesthood of God in the anointed ones, and to tear down spiritual “Israel”.
       
      “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you don’t go in, and you don’t allow those entering to go in.” Matt 23:13
      It is the horrifying “disgusting thing” that Jesus warned us about, and what we are to flee from, according to Matt 24:15,16; and the fourth Beast from Daniel’s visions that he describes as:
      “frightening and dreadful, and incredibly strong, with large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed, and it trampled with its feet whatever was left. It was different from all the beasts before it, and it had ten horns.” Dan 7:7
      “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
      It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.” Rev 13:1,7
      Through its presence, the heart’s desire of each anointed one is calculated and “measured” either acceptable for life, or death. Zech 5:1-11; Amos 7:7-9; Rev 11:1,2; Rev 13:16,17
      Dan.7:25 - "He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The HOLY PEOPLE WILL BE DELIVERED into his hands for a time, times and half a time."
      Dan.11:31 - ""His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will SET UP the abomination that causes desolation."
      2 Thess 2:4 – “He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he SETS HIMSELF UP IN GOD’S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God.”
      Mark13:14 - "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
      JWs, can you understand why God allows “Edom” to wound, afflict and “trample” spiritual “Israel”?
      "'The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, SO THAT THE LIVING MAY KNOW THAT THE MOST HIGH IS SOVEREIGN OVER ALL THE KINGDOMS ON EARTH and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people.' Dan 4:17
      Behind its pristine-looking façade, the ominous “mountainlike organization” has raised itself above God’s authentic Mount Zion, and above God Himself, in the mind of JWs. Satan has gradually transformed the position of each anointed one as powerless, by placing doubts before JWs of their ability to teach the sheep. Mal 2:7 The Wt. magazines have made cutting remarks about them; they must not speak of their anointing, they may suffer mental problems, they are not to gather together as an anointed group. They are to be scrutinized if claiming to be anointed. Successfully, over time, the Watchtower has ‘set up’ its own false priesthood/elder body to rule, plundering and trampling God’s appointed Temple priesthood. Sadly, the majority swallow down such poisonous fruit. 2 Cor 11:20
      Jesus will need to discipline his priests at his return, for apathetically accepting a head over them (Rev.3:16), other than he 
      (Eph.5:23; 2Cor.11:2-4,20; Rev.2:20; Zech.8:17). Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      They will have to be "refined" by fire (Zech.13:9; Isa.48:10; 1Pet.4:1; Eze.16:39; Rev.3:17-18; Hosea 12:6-8). Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      As Jesus says at Rev.3:19 ...
      "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent."
      The discipline Christ brings when he returns, is not easy to perceive, nor pleasant to accept (Heb.12:5-13). 
      In fact, Christ must discipline them with "a rod of iron" 
      (Micah 6:9; Prov.23:13-14; Rev.2:27; Hosea 6:5; Jer.23:29; 5:14; Rev.11:5; 2Pet.3:7,10). 
      "Iron" is the precise identity that is trampling them, in the time of the end (Dan.2:40,34,44). 
      God allows the very Idol they are serving, to discipline, beat, and trample them. 
      That is, the Great Tribulation (Isa.5:5-6; Rev.11:6; Zech.13:9; Isa.48:10-11; 6:11-13 (Rev.11:13); Dan.12:6-7)  Pearl Doxsey – “Christ’s Return – When?”
       
      This “mountainlike organization” that rebels against the “Mountains of Israel”, the authentic Zion, will have the same outcome as wicked Mount Seir:
      Ezek 35:12-15 - Then you will know that I the Lord have heard all the contemptible things you have said against the mountains of Israel. You said, “They have been laid waste and have been given over to us to devour.” 13 You boasted against me and spoke against me without restraint, and I heard it. 14 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: While the whole earth rejoices, I will make you desolate. 15 Because you rejoiced when the inheritance of Israel became desolate, that is how I will treat you. You will be desolate, Mount Seir, you and all of Edom. Then they will know that I am YHVH.’” Ezek 35:12-15
      “What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7
      The way that God and Christ discipline and refine the repentant, is to allow the Master they have chosen, to mistreat them. Then the remnant, will return to their husbandly owner 
      (Jer.2:2-5,11-14,17,26; Hosea 13:6; 2:7-9,16-17,19-20; Isa.26:16-21; 40:2-3; Dan.12:7; Rev.6:11; Ps.66:12; Luke12:37; Isa.25:6; John16:13,8).  Pearl Doxsey
       
      Please, consider reading the following from Ezekiel chapter 36:
      “Son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel and say, ‘Mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord God says: Because the enemy has said about you, “Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession,”’ 3 therefore, prophesy and say: ‘This is what the Lord God says: Because they have made you DESOLATE and have TRAMPLED you from every side, so that you became a possession for the rest of the nations and an object of PEOPLE’S GOSSIP AND SLANDER, 4 therefore, mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God. This is what the Lord God says to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys, to the desolate ruins and abandoned cities, which have become PLUNDER and a MOCKERY to the rest of the nations all around.
      5 “‘This is what the Lord God says: Certainly in my burning zeal I speak against the rest of the nations and all of Edom, who took my land as their own possession with wholehearted rejoicing and utter contempt so that its pastureland became plunder.
      6 Therefore, prophesy concerning the land of Israel and say to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys: This is what the Lord God says: Look, I speak in my burning zeal because you have endured the insults of the nations. 7 Therefore, this is what the Lord God says: I swear that the nations all around you will endure their own insults.
      “‘You, mountains of Israel, will produce your branches and bear your fruit for my people Israel, since their arrival is near. 9 Look! I am on your side; I will turn toward you, and you will be tilled and sown. 10 I will fill you with people, with the whole house of Israel in its entirety.
      “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF MY HOLY NAME, WHICH YOU HAVE PROFANED AMONG THE NATIONS where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, WHEN I AM PROVED HOLY THROUGH YOU BEFORE THEIR EYES.
      24 “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
      27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to keep My laws. 28 Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be My people, and I will be your God."
       
       
      Pearl Doxsey, 4 womaninthewilderness blogspot
      “Trample – How Does it Happen?”
      “YHVH’s Genuine Mountain”
      “Organized Religion”
      “Where is the Temple/Jerusalem?”
       

    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I have always wondered if the Bible is for 'all of us' to understand fully, or if it's only for a chosen few to fully understand.
      I don't mean is it just for one 'religion' to understand, I mean is it just for say 'an anointed group of people to understand'? 
      Jesus spoke in illustrations to the people, but the disciples asked Jesus what the illustrations meant. Then Jesus would explain the illustration to them fully. 
      Jesus told his disciples that 'to them the sacred secrets would be revealed' but that the crowd would not get the meaning of such things. 
      It was also that after Jesus was resurrected he opened the eyes of his disciples / apostles so that they began to fully understand all things.
      For my part I would never expect to fully understand God's word the Bible. A lot of it is straight forward of course, and easy to comprehend.
      But I think a lot of it is 'in deep code' so to speak, only fully understood by those that Jehovah chooses.. 
      It still seems strange to me, but it would be a separate topic, that God allows it to be so difficult for people to find any truth amongst the huge amount of lies in 'religion'. 
      However, in my opinion, there has to be a 'group of humans' 'anointed people' that do have some direct contact with God, through Jesus Christ. 
      We no longer have 'miracles' being done in Christ's name, so it is difficult to know exactly who the 'chosen ones' are. 
      If there was a 'body of people' that could prove that they had God's approval and God's holy spirit, that would make life much easier. 
      However when those that say they are chosen either make mistakes or tell lies about the meaning of scripture, and then their predictions fail, then they seem to prove themselves false or without God's guidance.
      So we go back to square one. Is there really a 'body of people' being truly guided and upbuilt by God's holy spirit at this time ? 
      Is the Bible and it's prophecies being fully opened up to such ones ?
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      Since the spirit makes contact with them... wouldn't that make them "inspired"?
       
    • By Patrick J Delaney
      After much prayerful reflection on the Scriptures, I have come to the realisation that the true identity of the “generation” Jesus spoke of at Matthew
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. may soon be revealed. There Jesus said, “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” I think the understanding Jehovah’s Witnesses currently hold on this scripture is incorrect. I believe that Joel chapter 2 will have a second fulfillment in the last days of this complete world system, just as it had a primary fulfillment in the last days of the Jewish system at Pentecost 33 CE. At that time true Christians were sealed with Holy Spirit. I believe that there will be yet another true spirit anointing or sealing in the near future. This is what John was referring to when he spoke of the sealing of the 144,000 in revelation chapter 7. The spiritual Israelite nation must be reborn. (Isaiah 66:8). The great crowd mentioned in the same chapter belong to the same group but are seen standing before the throne after Armageddon coming out of all nations. This sealing will result in a true restoration of pure worship as indicated by Ezekiel’s prophecy of the valley of dry bones. (Ezekiel 37). Jehovah blows his spirit into the bones and they live. The preaching work up to now could be compared to the work of John the Baptist. It is a baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sins. By their actions Jehovah’s Witnesses prove themselves to be true Christians having repented of their sins. Yet they are not spirit anointed. I believe Jehovah is preparing them for a true spirit anointing. Their understanding of scripture will be refined. (See Malachi 3:1) The great worldwide preaching work, in fulfillment of the the “angel flying in mid heaven with everlasting good news to declare” is yet future. (Revelation 14) The fulfillment of the prophecies in Matthew 24, and other related prophecies concerning the last days find their real fulfillment in the future. The last days have not yet begun. Jesus told his followers to “Learn from the fig tree when it’s branch grows tender and puts forth leaves.” (Matthew Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. -34). The fig tree represents Israel. I believe that this illustration could be a referring to the spiritual Israelite nation blossoming forth beginning with an outpouring of Holy Spirit. At least some of the generation of Christians that witness the birth of this new spiritual nation will be still alive on earth to witness the end of the age. This outpouring of Holy Spirit may occur in the very near future.  
       
       
    • By indagator
      I see there has not been much discussion at this forum of the NT translation that appeared in 2017 by David Bentley Hart (Yale University Press).
      Bro. Rando mentioned Hart's translation last year when he quoted his rendering of John 1:1c, "the Logos was god" here:
      https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/55859-the-trinity-and-it’s-false-theology/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-91897
      There is much more of value to be learned from Hart's work. First, just who is is important. He is a research scholar (= no teaching, just research and publication, what all good scholars dream of) at Notre Dame. He has several books out on theism, believing in God, and defending the faith before critics and philosophers. Although he himself is Eastern Orthodox, his books are highly valued by Evangelicals because Hart is quite intelligent and is well-read in the more difficult aspects of philosophy. Thus he can dialogue with the best from the latter group and hold his own against them. He is famous for doing so.
      Hart's translation contains multiple insights. Gehenna is "Hinnom's Vale of fire." He transliterates Hades, and his taking κόλασις at Matt. 25:46 as "chastening" is noteworthy. He sometimes has substantial footnotes that are informative, as he does in this passage. They cut through the controversies and get to the point, but interestingly, without citing scholarship by anyone's name.
      His take on the ἐφ᾽ ᾧ at Rom. 5:12 is fascinating. Instead of understanding this as "because" he takes it more literally, as "upon the basis of which fact," though I wish he'd been more literal in his rendering in this instance.
      His notes, pp. 533ff., are also loaded with interesting info, including the admission that the oft-hated "a" at John 1:1c is legit.
      One of the things I found fascinating is Hart's description of what the earliest Christians were like. This is on pp. xxiv-xxv of his introduction. It sounds very much like the brothers! That alone is worth a read, so when I can get to a scanner, I'll included a scan later in this thread for readers' pleasure.
      Here too are some online reviews and comments, including an interview/note from Hart himself on his work. First, some D. B. Hart NT reviews:
      https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/the-new-testament-a-translation-david-bentley-hart/546551/
      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/hippieheretic/2017/12/new-testament-translation-david-bentley-hart-review.html
      https://www.firstthings.com/article/2017/11/the-gospel-according-to-david-bentley
      http://thecresset.org/2017/Advent/Beasley_A17.html

      Conservative (?) reaction to Hart:
      the translation:
      http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2017/10/23/4754124.htm
      the man:
      https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/public-theology-in-retreat/#!
      bio & interviews:
      https://www.closertotruth.com/contributor/david-bentley-hart/profile?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6fq_se3y2AIVCI1pCh2iDAJmEAMYASAAEgKn8PD_BwE
      Hart's own account
      https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/christs-rabble
      Enjoy!
       
    • By JW Insider
      I have recently, just today, communicated again with Gerard Gertoux requesting permission to quote extensive long passages from his book on this topic as a basis for a more in-depth forum discussion. The Amazon link to his book is here:
      The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is pronounced as it is Written I_Eh_oU_Ah
      A subset of that same material is also found here:
      http://areopage.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Gertoux_UseNameEarlyChristians.pdf
      Gerard Gertoux has responded that it would be better to use  https://www.academia.edu/14029315 as it is a free version that all of us can download, and it has no copyright.
      Since this topic comes up now and then, under various topic headings, I hope that some might find it useful to understand the basics of his argument. He assumes a lot of background and expertise that many do not have, but the material is accessible enough so that we can all learn a lot about the topic and even about the related background material at the same time.
      Out of respect for the author's wishes, let's not make extensive quotes from the book or the "areopage.net" link above except where fair use might allow. And even the "academia.edu" content should only be quoted in reasonable portions to the extent that it is needed for discussion. I have also mentioned to the author that I will do my best to keep the topic from devolving into a discussion of the Trinity. I will try to keep the discussion on topic, which also means that it should not become a free-for-all with critiques of the New World Translation or the persons who may have worked on it.
      The topic will not revolve only around Gerard Gertoux's writing, but it's a good place to start. Feel free to bring in evidence from other authors and researchers if it is related to the questions. As a reminder the evidence we discuss should focus especially on the following questions:
      Did Jesus and the apostles and disciples of the first century use the Divine Name? Did they read it aloud when they came to it in the OT Scriptures? Did they include it (and therefore expect it to be used aloud) in the writings of the NT? [And, of course, feel free to use the terms OT and NT as abbreviations for "Hebrew Scriptures" and "Christian Greek Scriptures" respectively.]
    • By The Librarian
      Jehovah's Witnesses believe salvation is a free gift from God attained by being part of "God's organization" and putting faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. They do not believe in predestination or eternal security. They believe in different forms of resurrection for two groups of Christians. One group, the anointed, go to heaven while the other group, "the other sheep" or "the great crowd" will live forever on earth. 
      Basis
      Jehovah's Witnesses teach that salvation is possible only through Christ’s ransom sacrifice[1] and that individuals cannot be saved until they repent of their sins and call on the name of Jehovah.[2] Salvation is described as a free gift from God, but is said to be unattainable without good works that are prompted by faith. The works prove faith is genuine.[3][4] Preaching is said to be one of the works necessary for salvation, both of themselves and those to whom they preach.[5] They believe that people can be "saved" by identifying God's organization and serving God as a part of it.[6]
      The Witnesses reject the doctrine of universal salvation,[7] as well as that of predestination or fate. They believe that all intelligent creatures are endowed with free will. They regard salvation to be a result of a person's own decisions, not of fate.[8] They also reject the concept of "once saved, always saved" (or "eternal security"), instead believing that one must remain faithful until the end to be saved.[9]
      Regarding whether non-Witnesses will be "saved", they believe that Jesus has the responsibility of judging such ones, and that no human can judge for themselves who will be saved. Based on their interpretation of Acts 24:15, they believe there will be a resurrection of righteous and unrighteous people. They believe that non-Witnesses alive now may attain salvation if they "begin to serve God".[10][11] 
       
      The 'anointed'
      Based on their understanding of scriptures such as Revelation 14:1-4, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians go to heaven to rule with Christ in the kingdom of God. They, with Jesus, will also perform priestly duties that will bring faithful mankind to perfect health and 'everlasting life'.[12]They believe that most of those are already in heaven, and that the "remnant" at Revelation 12:17 (KJV) refers to those remaining alive on earth who will be immediately resurrected to heaven when they die. The Witnesses understand Jesus’ words at John 3:3—"except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"—to apply to the 144,000 who are "born again" as "anointed" sons of God in heaven.[13] They teach that the New Testament, which they refer to as the Christian Greek Scriptures, is primarily directed to the 144,000, and by extension, to those associated with them.[14] They believe that the terms "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16), "little flock" (Luke 12:32), "New Jerusalem," and "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:2,9) in the New Testament also refer to the same group of "anointed" Christians.[15][16][17]
      Jehovah's Witnesses believe that being 'anointed' involves a personal revelation by God's spirit which "gives positive assurance of adoption" to the individual alone.[18] Members who claim to be anointed are not given special treatment by other congregation members.[19] However, only those in the anointed class partake of the unleavened bread and wine at the yearly commemoration of Christ's death, or Memorial.

      Were all the anointed resurrected to heavenly life in 1918?
      Jesus Christ is their mediator

      "CONGREGATION OF GOD" Also called:
      144,000
      Anointed
      Body of Christ
      Bride of Christ
      Chosen Ones
      Elect
      Holy Nation
      Israel of God
      Kingdom Class
      Members of the Household of God
      Little Flock
      New Creation
      New Nation
      Royal House
      Royal Priesthood
      Sanctuary Class
      Sons of Levi
      Spirit Begotten
      Spiritual Israel
      Spiritual Sons
      Rebekah Class
      Elisha Class
      Elijah Class 
      New Jerusalem
      Little Flock 
      Lamb's Wife 
      The 'other sheep' and the 'great crowd'
      Watch Tower Society literature states that Jesus' use of the term "other sheep" at John 10:16 was intended to indicate that the majority of his followers were not part of the 144,000 and would have an earthly, rather than heavenly, hope.[20][21] In the resurrection, those who died faithful to God are included in the 'other sheep' and will receive the "resurrection of the righteous" ("just" KJV) mentioned in Acts 24:15.[22] Those who died without faithfully serving God will receive the "resurrection of the ... unrighteous" ("unjust" KJV). They will be given an opportunity to gain God's favor and join Jesus' 'other sheep' and live forever in an earthly paradise.[23][24] Individuals unfavorably judged by God are not resurrected, and are said to be in Gehenna, which they consider to be a metaphor for eternal destruction.[25] Those of the 'other sheep' who are alive today, some of whom survive through Armageddon without needing a resurrection, are referred to as the 'great crowd'.[26][27]
      Jesus is not the mediator for the other sheep.
      Remnant
      The word ‘remnant’ is used to indicate the living members of the 144,000.
      List of title variants given to the living ‘anointed ones’ in the book: Revelation. Its Grand Climax At Hand! (1988)
      Anointed Christians.
      God’s zealous slaves on earth.
      Remnant of the 144,000 integrity keepers.
      Those of the little flock that have been begotten by God’s spirit. His congregation of anointed ones.
      Anointed remnant.
      Anointed conquerors.
      Genuine anointed Christians.
      Anointed brothers.
      Anointed over-comers.
      Remnant of the completed bride of 144,000.
      Remnant of the 24 elders enthroned and crowned like kings.
      God’s anointed people.
      Remnant of the 144,000 under-priests.
      Remaining ones of the son’s of spiritual Israel.
      Remnant of a kingdom of priests - to rule as kings over the earth.
      Chosen anointed ones.
      World-wide congregation of anointed Christians that in time would number 144,000. The remaining ones of the 144,000.
      The anointed heirs to the heavenly kingdom.
      Remnant of the sealed 144,000 still remaining in the flesh.
      The kingdom class.
      The holy ones on earth.
      Remnant on earth of the 144,000 anointed ones.
      The remaining holy ones.
      The anointed witnesses on earth.
      Remnant of the woman’s seed.
      Remnant of the anointed ones.
      The remaining ones of the woman’s seed.
      The remaining ones of the seed of God’s woman.
      The remaining ones of the 144,000 anointed ones.
      The remaining ones of the 144,000 fellow heirs of the heavenly kingdom.
      The loyal ones.
      The remaining ones of the chosen heirs of God’s kingdom.
      A new creation, serving God with heavenly life in view.
      Those from the 144,000 who live on earth during the last days.
      Congregation of anointed Christians on earth.
      Jesus’ brothers, the remaining ones of the woman’s seed.
      Anointed followers still on earth.
      Remnant of the 144,000 of spiritual Israel.
      Remnant of the 144,000 of the bride class.
      Remaining ones on earth of the 144,000.
      Anointed ones who survive on earth.
      Anointed ones of the heavenly bride.
      Remnant of the anointed bridal company.
      Remnant of the 144,000 followers here on earth.
      Remnant of the 144,000 royal brides.
      Anointed remnant of the 144,000.
      Anointed remnant of the spiritually adopted sons of God.
      Remnant of Jesus’ 144,000 under-priests.
      Remnant of the 144,000 members of the Lamb’s wife.
      Remnant of the anointed Christians still alive on earth today.
      Anointed fellow slaves.
      Anointed bride class.
      See also:
      How Does One Know if They Are of the Anointed Or Called to Heavenly Life?
      How is it that Anointed Christians judge angels?
      "Appointed" = "Anointed"?
      If Disfellowshipped and then reinstated, are they still "Anointed" by Jehovah?
      Are the Kings and prophets of old have the same heavenly hope as the anointed of today? They were anointed by Jehovah directly.
      Did the first million or so professed "Anointed Christians" really just end up in Gehenna?
      Albert Schroeder's 1968 talk regarding the Spiritual Temple and the Anointed
      Is it true that some of the 144 000 are already in heaven?
      References
      The Watchtower 6/1/00 p. 11 par. 6 Keep Your “Hope of Salvation” Bright! The Watchtower, March 15, 1989, p. 31 Call on Jehovah’s Name and Get Away Safe! “The Way of Salvation” "James Urges Clean and Active Worship,", The Watchtower 3/1/83 p. 13, "Faith that does not prompt us to do good works is not genuine and will not result in our salvation." "Meetings to Help Us Make Disciples", Our Kingdom Ministry, January 1979, p. 2. The Watchtower, May 15, 2006 pp. 28-29 par. 12 The Watchtower 2/15/83 p. 12 You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth—But How? The Watchtower 4/15/60 p. 229 Does the Bible Teach What You Believe? Awake! 5/07 p. 13 Is Your Life Predestined? You Can Endure to the End The Watchtower October 1, 1999, p. 17. Do You Feel That You Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved?. "Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe That They Are the Only Ones Who Will Be Saved?". The Watchtower: 28. 1 November 2008. Revelation—Its Grand Climax at Hand! chap. 29 p. 200 par. 8 "Singing the Triumphal New Song " The Watchtower 11/1/96 p. 10 Look to Jehovah for Comfort: “One of the main operations of God’s spirit upon first-century Christians was to anoint them as adopted spiritual sons of God and brothers of Jesus. (2 Corinthians 1:21, 22) This is reserved for only 144,000 disciples of Christ. (Revelation 14:1, 3)” Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace” chap. 13 p. 110 par. 10 The “Prince of Peace” Turns to Those Outside the New Covenant Survivors Out of All the Nations, ©1984 Watch Tower, page 65 "Congregation of God", Watchtower Publications Index 1930–1985, "CONGREGATION OF GOD (Also called 144,000; Anointed; Body of Christ; Bride of Christ; Chosen Ones; Elect; Holy Nation; Israel of God; Kingdom Class; Little Flock; New Creation; New Nation; Royal House; Royal Priesthood; Sanctuary Class; Sons of Levi; Spirit Begotten; Spiritual Israel; Spiritual Sons)" Chryssides, George D (2008). Historical Dictionary Of Jehovah's Witnesses. Scarecrow Press. pp. 3, 122,.  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . “United In Worship Of The Only True God” chap. 14 pp. 112-113 ‘I Make a Covenant With You for a Kingdom’: “Spiritual Sons—How Do They Know? ... God’s spirit gives positive assurance of adoption as spiritual sons to baptized Christians who have received the heavenly calling. The Watchtower 5/1/07 p. 31: “They do not believe that they necessarily have more  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation” The Watchtower 2/1/98 p. 20 par. 7 The Other Sheep and the New Covenant "Awake" 1/8/95 p. 27 Who Go to Heaven? The Watchtower 2/15/95 p. 11 par. 12 'There Will Be a Resurrection of the Righteous: “Men and women of old who exercised strong faith in Jehovah and his promises and remained faithful to the death were declared righteous by Jehovah on the basis of their faith, and they will without doubt share in the ‘resurrection of the righteous.’ The Watchtower 6/15/06 p. 6 A Sure Guide to Happiness: “Acts 24:15 ... “There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” So even “the unrighteous,” many individuals who did not know and serve Jehovah, will get a future opportunity to gain God’s favor.” You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth The Watchtower November 15, 2003, p. 4. The Watchtower 3/15/06 p. 6 The Only Remedy!: “Some committed sins for which there is no forgiveness. They are not in Hades (mankind’s common grave) but in Gehenna, a symbolic place of eternal destruction. (Matthew 23:33) The Watchtower 4/15/95 p. 31 Questions From Readers: “In summary, we might remember “other sheep” as the broader term, encompassing all of God’s servants having the hope of living forever on earth. It includes the more limited category of sheeplike ones today who are being gathered as a “great crowd” with the hope of living right through the impending great tribulation”. Ankerberg, John (2003). Fast Facts on Jehovah's Witnesses. Harvest House Publisher. pp. 51–53.  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .  
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      «From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it» - Matthew 11:12
       
      The words of the Lord recorded in Matthew 11:12 suggest that the number of those who would have grasped "the kingdom of heaven" would have been a limited number and closed regardless of efforts or who would have been rewarded those who would have "pushed ahead" , ie strive to do so?
      Some might say that since the 144,000 number appears in the Bible this demonstrates beyond any doubt that all the elect fall into this number but before closing our mental faculties to any contrary argument we must examine Scripture carefully - Acts 17: 11
      We know that the vision of Revelation is fulfilled "on the day of the Lord" (compare Revelation 1:10) and understanding the period of time of vision allows us to re-discuss some of the seemingly more solid beliefs, such as total number of the elect.
      If all revelation is fulfilled from the day of the Lord on, the angel's command to affix the seal to the slaves of God applies exclusively to the day of the Lord.
      At the time of John many of the elect had fallen asleep in death but those to whom the seal described in Revelation are affixed seem to be all alive during that period, that is, on the Lord's day, as the angel warns to "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”- Revelation 7: 3
      If the vast majority of these were asleep in death, what bother could they ever give them this wind?
          Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Perhaps we need to break down some mental barriers to rely completely on Scripture   One might think that the warning refers only to a small part of these 144,000, or those still alive on the Lord's day, but the description of the complete sealing that is done soon after, casts a shadow on this hypothesis - Revelation 7 : 4-8
      Someone could assert that the sealing begins with those who are alive (and who are worried about not letting them hit by the wind of judgment) and ends with those who died in the past to which the wind could no longer bother.
      To show that this is not the case, we will look at other scriptures to support what has just been said * (see footnote).
      The two witnesses clothed in sack described in Revelation chapter 11 should be the last two elected, in order of time, to be killed thus completing the number of 144,000.
      In fact, immediately after this event and their resurrection we read "The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”- Revelation 11:15
      Two more verses later read "“We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king " - Revelation 11:17
      It seems evident that the death and resurrection of these two witnesses creates the right conditions for the Kingdom of God to begin to dominate.
      What would these "suitable conditions" be?
      The context seems to refer precisely to the resurrection of the complete number of those sealed on the Lord's day.
      We are not discussing whether during the seventh trumpet all the elect lived since the first century because it is clear that it is so - 1 Corinthians 15:58
      The seventh trumpet begins the spiritual resurrection of all the elect but only 144,000 of them participate in the war.
      The war of Armageddon is fought by Christ and the 144,000 and there is little to discuss about it (compare Revelation 14: 1) but this in itself does not prove that they are or will be the only ones to be resurrected with spiritual bodies.
      Revelation 14: 4 says that they have been bought by mankind as "firstfruits" and so far we have understood that this marks a distinction between the elect (which would be the first fruits) and the great crowd, but we shall see that it can not be.
      The writing says that they "were bought from the earth as first fruits" and therefore means that others, after them, will be bought from the earth.
      "Bought" in what sense?
      Bought from the earth for life in heaven.
      The great crowd does not need to be "bought from the earth" because it will live on the earth, in fact it has washed its clothes to survive - Revelation 7:13, 14
      None of those who live on earth can call themselves "bought" by the human race, is it not?
      Only those who reign with Christ can call themselves "bought from the earth", for this is the sense reported in the Scriptures.
      So the speech is simple.
      If there are those bought from the earth as first fruits, there are also the following ones, always bought from the earth but no longer as first fruits, but in the full maturation of time.
      If all this is not enough to undermine our preconceptions, let's try to go on reading.
      «And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years» - Revelation 20:4
      At this point in the Revelation there has already been the war of Armageddon which is described in Revelation 19: 19-21.
      If the war of Armageddon is fought by Christ and by the 144,000 who are those who come to life after Armageddon and reign with Christ for a thousand years?
      Even though it's hard to accept, does not it seem like you're talking about other people coming to life in heaven after the Armageddon War?
      Let's try to reread it carefully starting from the first verse of chapter 20.
      «And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years. And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while» - Revelation 20:1-3
      Up to this point it is very clear, is not it?
      The Lord, at the end of Armageddon, grabs the dragon, chains it and throws it into the abyss.
      This war has been accomplished by Christ and by 144,000 is not it?
      After this event we read «And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years. And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended (…) And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. for 1,000 years».
      Here too we can see at least two distinct groups.
      There are the thrones and those who sit on it (topic covered by the subtitle "What about the 24 elders?") And then it is said that you see the souls of those who did not worship either the wild beast or its image ... .
      But at this point we have a problem.
      The last two components of the 144,000 are killed before the appearance of the false prophet and his mark - see Revelation chapters 11, 12 and 13
      Shortly after the death of the two witnesses the seventh trumpet sounds and therefore begins the general spiritual resurrection, in harmony with the words of the apostle Paul.
      It should be concluded that at the end of Armageddon, even if there are still elected in life on earth waiting for their transformation, there should not be other people still in death awaiting the heavenly resurrection, is not it?
      On the other hand the seventh trumpet sounds in Revelation 11:15 and the resurrection takes place in a "blink of an eye" - 1 Corinthians 15:52
      Instead Revelation 20: 4 says that after the war of Armageddon that was fought by the 144,000, those who sit on the throne judge all those who have not worshiped the wild beast and have not received the mark.
      What is the result of this positive judgment?
      "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years".
      So how many will those who reign with Christ?
      The Bible simply does not say it but surely it is not a predetermined and closed number because this would mean establishing a priori how many will resist the pressures of the wild beast.
      Revelation speaks of "those who had not worshiped neither the wild beast nor his image".
      Would it be reasonable to suppose that those who resist the wild beast, many or few who are, will be a specific and "round" number like 144,000?
      If so, would it not be suspected that salvation is something preordained? - Ezekiel 33:11
      Let's try to evaluate this information without any emotionality and see if "the shadow of reality" can help us to understand the point.
      In the kingdom of Israel they were not all soldiers.
      There were the Levites, the temple servants, and many other administrative figures.
      Each had his specific task and the limits of authority of that office - compare 2 Chronicles 26:18
      In reference to the 144,000 what is Revelation telling us?
      He tells us that these are people chosen on the Lord's day, who are first sealed and then, once killed by the world of Satan, resurrected to fight with Christ in Armageddon.
      Is it perhaps written that this is the total number of the elect, or those that existed from the first century to today?
      If we only read what is written, we will not find such a thing.
      This group of people therefore forms the army that fights with Christ at Armageddon and protects the people who are about to reach the Promised Land – compare Daniel 8:10
      At the sound of the seventh trumpet begins the general resurrection (ie of those dead from the first century) because soon after we see the birth of the male Son.
      After Armageddon, however, it is specified that others resurrect and is not a reference to those who died long ago but to those who did not worship the wild beast or its image.
      The Scripture is simple if we are not guided by other things.
      How many, then, will those who will be resurrected to reign with Christ?
      The Bible does not say it, as it does not even say how many are bought from the first century.
      According to the Lord's words, which guide this article, those who will have gone forward will have grasped this opportunity - Matthew 11:12
      From this discussion we can say that we were right and at the same time wrong.
      Not all good people go to heaven, that's obvious.
      All those who go to heaven become kings and priests for whom they must reign and perform the functions of priests over a people - Revelation 1: 6
      The rulers must obviously be fewer in number than the people and therefore the hope for the vast majority of people is and remains eternal life on earth.
      The number 144,000 is a literal number and these are those who will fight Armageddon alongside the Lord.
      In these things we were right.
      However the Bible, while mentioning specifically this number, never said that this would be the number of all those who reigned with Christ.
      Indeed, these are only those who are sealed on the day of the Lord to be resurrected as firstfruits to fight the war of Armageddon and re-establish the kingdom of Israel - Acts 1: 6 (compare Psalm 110: 1-3)
      We have always thought that the 144,000 were all destined to go to heaven but there is no scriptural basis to support it.
      In this we were wrong.
      With all due respect to nostalgic and traditionalists, if anyone asks us where it is written in the Bible that the elect will be only 144,000, we could only prove that this number is described in Revelation which is fulfilled on the Lord's day; we can demonstrate with logic that it is a literal number and we can also prove that kings and priests must be less than the people.
      We can prove that it is a small flock compared to a larger flock, but we can not prove anything else - Luke 12:32
      In the articles entitled "The 144,000 and the great crowd" and "Who must take the emblems" ** it was emphasized, among other things, how silly and counterproductive it was to keep count of "who has heavenly hope and who does not" to begin with because this would not have been indicative of who would reign with Christ.
      Having a hope, in itself, does not mean anything.
      This includes understanding that it is wrong, and it has always been wrong, to give high responsibility assignments exclusively to the "anointed" ***.
       
      This discussion has added one more reason, if ever there was a need to understand the utter futility of the calculation.
      Not only must the emblems take all the Christians, not only it is impossible to understand who will reign with Christ and those who do not, but we never had any number to "keep in mind" (if we had really succeeded in counting them since the first century, which, moreover, is impossible).
       
      What about the 24 elders?
      Chapter 4 of Revelation mentions "24 thrones, and there were 24 elders seated on them" and John sees all this before the Lamb begins to open the seals.
      Who are these 24 elders?
      Having understood that the visions of Revelation are in chronological order and not as we have been told, we understand that it is not possible for these 24 elders to represent 144,000.
      Among other things, the 24 elderly represent the 144,000 is incongruent with the claim that these are literal.
      If the 24 elders represent 144,000 it means that this is a symbolic number and it goes without saying that if "24" is a symbolic number, why 144,000 should be literal (which by the way is a multiple of 12)?
      Moreover, they are present even before the Lamb begins to open the scroll and therefore exist before all the events described in it.
      It is no coincidence that they are described as "elders" and this suggests that in the time when the day of the Lord begins, they have existed for quite some time.
      Can we discern who these 24 elders are from the description that is made of them?
      Well of them they are said to wear white robes and have golden crowns.
      The large crowd is dressed in long white robes and we know that it reaches this condition thanks to the blood of the Lamb.
      At a first reading one would think - not that they are the great crowd of course - but that they too have reached a condition of purity and justice thanks to the sacrifice of the Lamb, which would exclude angels and other creatures already born as celestial.
      The white color, often symbolized by the "shining and pure" linen, represents the just acts of the saints - Revelation 19: 8
      The fact that they have crowns recalls the words of John in Revelation 1: 5, 6 and also the words of Peter who, in reference to the elect of the first century, mentions a "holy priesthood".
      Subsequently, when the Lamb takes the roll it is read that «And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” - Revelation 5:9, 10
      So we see that these elders have the cups full of incense which means "the prayers of the saints" and therefore they act as priests, also giving honor to the Lamb.
      It is evident that these people can not be others who are elected resurrected and glorified and this fact must have led to think that they depicted the all body of the elect.
      But at the same time we have seen that they can not represent the whole body of the elect for the reasonings made a moment ago.
      We must conclude that they are a small part of anointed chosen to reign directly with Christ before the others.
      Before closing our mental faculties and thinking that it is nonsense, let's examine the following.
      Our mind can not but return to the Lord's words when he said, “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel"- Matthew 19:28
      It is interesting to note that Jesus did not say that the twelve apostles would be resurrected in regeneration but that by then they would sit on thrones.
      This does not exclude the possibility that they have been resurrected before and perhaps even in the first century.
      The twelve faithful apostles could be a part of the twenty-four elders described here although this opens up to the possibility that some have not had to wait for the sound of "the last trumpet" to be resurrected - 1 Corinthians 15:58
      It is true that the apostle Paul said that "everyone would be transformed ... during the last trumpet" but this does not exclude that he was making a general speech.
      Obviously we can not be categorical but in fact Revelation speaks of at least two people who are resurrected before the sound of the seventh trumpet - see Revelation 11:11, 12, 15
      This makes it clear that when the apostle Paul said "everyone" did not mean just about everyone, otherwise we would have to choose who, between Paul and John, was wrong.
      So one of the two was wrong?
      Obviously not.
      Paul was making a general speech, in fact the overwhelming majority of the elect are resurrected during the last trumpet.
      In the same way it would seem that these 24 elders, who are undoubtedly resuscitated and glorified persons, have been resurrected long before the sealing and resurrection of the 144,000.
      The fact that they are described, from the first chapters, as elders suggests that they have been alive for a long, long time.
      None of the 144,000 or the other elect resurrected is described as elders.
      Is it possible that they were resurrected at the end of the first century?
      A resurrected elected 2,000 years ago would be rightly described as an elder.
      Even the number of these seniors would make us think of the correctness of understanding.
      Jesus told his apostles that they would sit on 12 thrones and that they would judge the 12 tribes of Israel but in Revelation we see 24 elders, that is, the double.
      Why?
      The Mosaic law foresaw that the judgment was legally valid if there were at least two witnesses - Deuteronomy 17: 6
      Jesus reiterated the same concept - Matthew 17:16
      Starting from this assumption it is evident that if the apostles, who were twelve, should have judged the twelve tribes of Israel, this would have meant using only one witness for each tribe and the judgment would not have been valid.
      Being 24, however, the judgment becomes legally valid and binding.
      The testimony of these elders is legally perfect and true because each tribe is judged through the testimony of two witnesses.
      This, too, indirectly shows that the number 24 can not be symbolic exactly as the need of the two witnesses was never understood in a symbolic sense.
      It was a clear legal principle on which there was little to interpret - compare John 8: 12-18
      We can make other arguments that help us to hypothesize why some may have been resurrected before others.
      If these 24 elders are to judge the "12 tribes of Israel" it is clear that judgment can be both positive and negative.
      Indeed, judgment is not synonymous with condemnation - compare Acts 24:15
      The positive judgment includes those who will receive the prize, whether in heaven or on earth, thus including the 144,000.
      The 144,000 are in fact chosen "by the 12 tribes of Israel" - Revelation 7: 4-8
      Now we know that not all Israel is indeed Israel (compare Galatians 3: 27-29) and this seems the intrinsic message in the fact that the tribes listed in Revelation do not correspond perfectly to the 12 tribes of Israel, however the principle does not change.
      Whatever the tribe being judged, whether positive or negative, that tribe needs at least two witnesses to make this judgment valid.
      It is logical to conclude that in order to affix the seal to those who will be resurrected once dead (and therefore considered worthy of receiving the first resurrection) and who will fight at Armageddon, it is necessary that someone has judged them favorably.
      Who could have judged them?
      Can not have them judged Jehovah because Jesus himself says that he has left all judgment in the hand to Son - John 5:21, 22
      He could have judged them exclusively Christ but he claimed that he would give this privilege to his apostles - Matthew 19:28
      Also with regard to subsequent resurrections we see "thrones and those who sit on them" (Revelation 20: 4) and this is a further reference to the 24 elders to whom the authority to judge is reserved.
      Note that this privilege was granted exclusively to the apostles and not all disciples, in fact Jesus is responding to Peter's question and the 12 thrones are precisely and not coincidentally the number of apostles - Matthew 19:27
      The judgment of the 12 tribes of Israel includes those who receive positive judgment and therefore the general heavenly resurrection which, as we know, takes place not before the sound of the seventh trumpet.
       
      Footnotes.
      * In Chapter 9 of Ezekiel we see a similar situation.
      The man dressed in linen has the task of affixing a sign on the forehead of "men who sigh and suffer for all the detestable things that are done in the city" - Ezekiel 9: 4
      Obviously this sign is not affixed to the front of dead people.
      On the contrary, just as Revelation does understand, this sign serves for the punishment sent by Jehovah through the cherubim not to fall upon those who possess this sign - Ezekiel 9: 5-7
      In the same way, during the ringing of the fifth trumpet it is said to strike "only men who do not have the seal of God on the forehead" and this should also help us to understand that those who have received the seal are precisely those who have been sealed in Revelation 7: 4, or 144,000 people
       
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      ***The members of the governing body "should be" exclusively "anointed" (this tells the official version).
      Until a few years ago high responsibility positions were given only "to the anointed ones".
      One of the questions that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses did before giving responsibility to someone was whether he was "an anointed or a member of the great crowd".
       
      **** Revelation 14: 1-4 mentions the song that only 144,000 can learn.
      This is reminiscent of the Israelite victory songs after winning their wars by Jehovah's will or when they won them even before they fought - Exodus 15: 1; 2 Chronicles 20:21, 22
      This is not only a strong indication that the 144,000 have exclusively the role of warriors in armageddon but also that they and the 24 elders are two separate and distinct groups.
      For they sing this song "in front the four living creatures and the elders" - Revelation 14: 3
       
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    • By Witness
      Lies, deceit and excuses all in one Watchtower article?  Yes.  Satan’s fascinating deceptions can be discerned clearly, if we truly yearn to know truth. 
      Korah, Moses and Aaron were all Levites; they were cousins, whose fathers were brothers.
      The Levitical lineage were people designated to serve God in various roles, separated into three divisions according to the three sons of Levi:  Gershon, Kohath and Merari. Gen 46:11.   Moses, Aaron, Miriam and Korah were all grandchildren of Kohath. 
      To the Kohathites”, stemming from Kohath, God said, “Bring the tribe of Levi and present them to Aaron the priest to assist him.  They are to perform duties for him and for the whole community at the tent of meeting by doing the work of the tabernacle.  They are to take care of all the furnishings of the tent of meeting, fulfilling the obligations of the Israelites by doing the work of the tabernacle.  Give the Levites to Aaron and his sons; they are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to him.  Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num 3:5-10
       The Lord also said to Moses, “I have taken the Levites from among the Israelites in place of the first male offspring of every Israelite woman. The Levites are mine, 13 for all the firstborn are mine. When I struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, I set apart for myself every firstborn in Israel, whether human or animal. They are to be mine. I am the Lord.”  Num 3:12,13
      The tribe of Levi was God’s ‘special possession’ (1 Pet 2:9); knowing this, why did Korah rebel against Aaron’s appointment as high priest and Moses as God’s spokesperson? Why would Korah desire a position other than what God had already given him?
      The Watchtower 02/8/1 states under its subheading, “MUST YOU MEN ALSO TRY TO SECURE THE PRIESTHOOD?”:
      “Whatever Korah’s reasoning might have been, it is clear that he began to view the priesthood from a HUMAN STANDPOINT. That led to his rebellion against Moses and Aaron and, ultimately, against Jehovah.”
      He viewed their position as an entitlement with special privileges, power and dominance; yes, from a human standpoint, but Moses reminded him and all the 250 in his company:
       “Hear now, you sons of Levi:  Is it a small thing to you that the God of Israel has separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to Himself, to do the work of the tabernacle of the Lord, and to stand before the congregation to serve them; 10 and that He has brought you near to Himself, you and all your brethren, the sons of Levi, with you? And are you seeking the priesthood also? 11 Therefore you and all your company are gathered together against the Lord. And what is Aaron that you complain against him?”  Num 16:8-11
      (Exod 28:3; Heb 5:1-4)
      The title of the 02/8/1 Watchtower article is,
      “LOYALLY SUBMIT TO GODLY AUTHORITY”,
      and in this article we find Watchtower’s lies, deceit and REBELLION, upheld by the organization’s leaders.
      Today’s High Priest of his appointed “royal priesthood” is Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 4:14,15  Could it be that the GB has deceitfully stepped in as “High Priest” over God’s anointed ones? 
      “The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the Governing Body, they are in fact following their leader, Christ. Wt 9/15/2010”
      The anointed servants of God are to listen and follow one Master, Jesus Christ; just as the early priesthood under Aaron, followed Aaron’s direction. There is no place, no member in the Body of Christ that is superior over another; except the Head, Jesus Christ. Col 1:18; Eph 5:23,26,27,30-32; 1 Pet 4:10; 1 Cor 12:24-26
      Has the Governing Body compared themselves to Moses?  Indirectly, yes. 
      “Of course, those taking the lead in the earthly part of God’s organization are not perfect—but neither was Moses.”  Watchtower 11/4/15 pp. 3-5
      How self-assuming of an uninspired GB, to even hint at equality with a man who, as scripture says, spoke “face to face” with God.  Only Christ, who sits at his right hand, could be compared to Moses.  Num 12:6-8; Heb 3:1-6
      In the rebellion against Moses and Aaron, Korah’s company, “men of renown”, also included Dathan, Abiram, and On from the tribe of Reuben. Altogether, these men rallied against God’s appointed servants by making the claim,
      “You take too much upon yourselves, for all the congregation is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them. Why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?”  Num 16:3
      This accusation clearly reveals the men’s hearts in ignoring God’s authority, and viewing the positions of Moses and Aaron as man-appointed, and not sanctioned by God.  I find it incredible that although Korah and those with him had literally seen God’s great power in action, they still questioned his guidance through those he personally appointed.  How quickly one’s mind can be clouded over with darkness, the result of self-absorption.
      Jesus, our High Priest, resides over his priesthood in the anointed ones. They are the only ones who can fulfill their spiritual duties in God’s Temple/sanctuary. 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Cor 6:16; Rev 1:6  The rituals of preparatory cleansing and sacrifices in Aaron’s time were based on the “heavenly things”; which is reaching its completeness during this time period of today.  Heb 8:5; Col 2:17; Mal 3:2,3 
      Keeping in mind the accusation made by Korah and those with him, examine the Watchtower’s words that show vivid evidence of an elder body “securing the priesthood”:
      “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, WHETHER THEY ARE OF THE ANOINTED OR NOT. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) How can that be?”
      Did God appoint a “Gentile” elder body to represent his own priesthood of spiritual “Israel” that reside among them, expecting their obedience also? (Rom 2:28,29; Rev 7:4)  It is not written anywhere in the Bible that substitutes for God’s priesthood could be made, but there are plenty of references where its enactment brought about the wrath of God.  Ezek 28:18; 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; Num 3:10, 8:19
      The Watchtower continues:
      “These older men meet the requirements that are set out in God’s Word, which is a product of God’s spirit. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) Hence, their appointment CAN BE SAID to be by holy spirit. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
      This is an opinion, just as Korah and his men expressed their opinion.
      The Governing Body is using the claim that God’s spirit, which generated the scriptures, is enough evidence to appoint one to stand in as a “priest” in God’s Temple; thereby, it is ASSUMED, SUPPOSED, SEEMINGLY POSSIBLE, TAKEN FOR GRANTED…
      In other words…
      “CAN BE SAID”, that God chose them.
      Men are determining whether men meet the requirements; God has nothing to do with it, since his priesthood was already appointed by him through the anointing they received; yet the organization’s leaders have gone out on a limb by surmising that “the Supreme Judge” (par. 19) appointed the elder body by using scriptures that rightly refer to the anointed ones.   
      HAVE THEY LOYALLY SUBMITTED TO GODLY AUTHORITY? 
      NO. THEY HAVE INSTALLED THEIR OWN OPPRESSIVE AND CONDEMNING AUTHORITARIAN STRUCTURE BASED ON A HUMAN STANDPOINT. 
      How far these men have presumptuously gone, in unrighteous acts against Godly Authority, and who boldly compare themselves to both Moses and Aaron.  They say of the false priesthood/elder body,
      “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” 
      JWs, Please! DO challenge their false assumptions and twisted reasoning! There is no scriptural basis for this manmade rule or “law”; instead, it is “lawlessness”. 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 13:5-7,18; 11:1,2  Jesus said we would see the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place”, which is the false priesthood “representing” God’s Temple priests; whose lead, the anointed must follow, according to the Watchtower.   As time exposes it for what it is, “sudden destruction” is not far behind. Luke 17:26-30; 1 Thess 5:3; 2 Thess 2:4,9-12
      Thousands died during Korah’s rebellion, starting with Korah and the households of Dathan, and Abiram.  It then spread by plague killing 14,700 who complained against Moses.   It was a conspiracy never enacted – never put into practice, while today’s opposition against God’s chosen priesthood, is an abomination in the height of its activity – a dark plague of deceit already upon God’s anointed ones and companions.  Matt 24:24,25,48-51; Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-6
      Having faith in Jesus’ prophetic words describing this situation, can urge us to FLEE such an abomination standing defiantly before God; one well cloaked under the guise of divine inspiration.  Matt 24:15,16; Rev 13:15
       
      Pearl Doxsey – 4 womaninthewilderness:
      "First, let's briefly unravel and define the "disgusting thing".
      In history...
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                             (In the original language, these verses contain "disgusting thing", 
                              although not in all versions of translation...sometimes rendered,
                              "other gods", "detestable images", "abominations".)
      Ezekiel chapter 8 merits a closer scriptural look, so that we can get a fuller meaning...
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  shows that there is an "image of jealousy" North of the altar gate...blocking entrance to the altar of sacrifice (perfect symbolism). Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  describes...not a tangible image, but rather, activities being done in God's Temple. So the Image and the activities are two separate abominations.
      Now for verse 11...
      "And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel,..Each man had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up."
      What is the problem here?
      The answer is within the account at Numbers, chapter 16.
      Do you remember what was going on there? It is worth reading the whole chapter to get the point of what Ezekiel was being shown.
      To highlight the point, please read...
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      Can you see that those who perform the tasks which God designates for priests only, must not be performed by "the elders of Israel"? Even the king of Israel had to obey this law, which was punishable by death ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      The abomination Ezekiel describes, is the elders of Israel performing priestly duties within the Temple (offering incense)...the same offense as the rebellion against Aaron, who was chosen by God as priest. To have counterfeit priests in God's Temple is a gross offense against Him. It is an abomination for unsanctified Gentiles to offer incense for the forgiveness of the people's sins ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      How is this occurring today?

      The NWT of  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  reads:
      "Brethren, if a man commits a sin, you who have spiritual qualifications should try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness".
      "have spiritual qualifications"...
      How does the WT apply this phrase? Is it not to the non-anointed/non-priest Elders?
      This is due to  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . Should these two scriptures really be linked as referring to the same group?
      Let's take a closer look at these modern day "incense" burners and this scriptural interpretation.
      If you look at what  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  actually reads (it helps to check the original Greek),

      it says in essence... "Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who walk/live by spirit/ who are spirit ones... should restore him gently."
      This "walking/living by/being spirit", is not one of the "qualifications" for elders.
      It is not in the list of qualifications for elders, at 1Tim.. chapter 3.
      That is because  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is not referring to elders.
      It is referring to those who "walk/live by/are, spirit". THESE are the ones given authority to do the "readjusting".
      The Bible defines who it is, that "walks/lives by spirit"...
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      "Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."
      Compare this to  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. :
      "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
      See  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ...
      "because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory."

      Clearly, it is the chosen priests who are to "re-adjust" sinners in a spirit of gentleness. This is their job as symbolic incense burners within God's Temple of anointed ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      So we see that the symbolic prophecies in Ezekiel regarding the "elders of Israel" burning incense within the temple, is certainly considered by God as an abomination, as well as the rebellion of the governing priests who dare to place them there ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      This offense is alive and well today, as the GB of the WT has arranged for non-anointed elders to usurp God's chosen priests, perform their exclusive duties, and throw out any of them that protest this abominable disrespect toward God and His Holy Temple. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )"
       
       
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      All their immediate needs are met; everything and every form of service is provided for their benefit and is at their fingertips.  Their living circumstances may be even more comfortable than we may assume.  They have the luxury of dressing and eating well, traveling and seeing the world, and personally escorted wherever needed.
      But, they lack one thing.  “Wisdom from above”.  Dan.12:3,9,10; Rev.11:3; 1:1; Isa.5:13; 65:13; Luke16:24,25,26; Matt.25:8,9  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by GOOD CONDUCT THAT HIS …
      ~~~~~WORKS~~~~~
       …ARE DONE IN THE MEEKNESS OF WISDOM.”  James 3:13
      “The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.“  WT 17/2 pp. 23-28   (Matt 7:15-20) Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      “But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, DO NOT BOAST AND LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH.” James 3:14
      Gerrit Losch, governing body member, speaks on JW Broadcast, March 2018: 
      “So whom do you trust?  You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus, and the “faithful slave”. 
      “This is not to say that the slave is perfect and never makes mistakes, but Jehovah and Jesus trust the imperfect slave who cares for things to the best of his ability AND WITH THE BEST OF MOTIVES.  Shouldn’t we then trust the imperfect slave as well?”
      “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.” **
       “Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ COMPLETELY trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?”
       “This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.  For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.“  James 3:15,16
      “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be…
      ~~~~~ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS”~~~~~  2 Cor 11:13-15
      King Solomon asked for one thing from God when becoming King.
      And Solomon said to God: “You have shown great and faithful love to my father David, and you have made me king in his place. 9 Lord God, let your promise to my father David now come true. For you have made me king over a people as numerous as the dust of the earth. 10 Now grant me wisdom and knowledge so that I may lead these people, for who can judge this great people of yours?”
      God said to Solomon, “Since this was in your heart, and you have NOT requested riches, wealth, or glory, or for the life of those who hate you, and you have NOT even requested long life, but you have requested for yourself wisdom and knowledge that you may judge my people over whom I have made you king,  wisdom and knowledge are given to you. I will also give you riches, wealth, and glory, unlike what was given to the kings who were before you, or will be given to those after you.”  2 Chron 1:8-12
      The granting of wisdom from God preceded Solomon acquiring great riches.  JWs, remind yourself of what “works” are happening in the organization.
       An extensive history of false prophesy and replaced doctrine (“Beliefs Clarified”), Deut 18:19-22; Jer 23:16; 2 Pet 2:1-3  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      Lawsuits over pedophilia are numerous.  Jer 6:13,14; Ezek 34:2-4; Acts 20:29; Prov 17:15  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      JWs are recently banned in Russia and all material assets have been confiscated.   Deut 12:28; 2 Chron 16:7-9; 2 Chron 7:13,14; Isa 48:18; Heb 3:7-13  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
       Disfellowshipping anointed and all for turning to Christ and rejecting the “mark of the Beast”/organization, its lies and idolatry.  Mark 8:31; John 15:20; Matt 5:10,11; John 16:2; Rev 13:15-17; Eph 5:11     Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      As well as the “trampling” of the Temple anointed priesthood of God by the “man of lawlessness”/elder body. Matt 24:15; Luke 21:24; Dan 11:31,32,36; Rev 11:2  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      None of this would exist if wisdom and knowledge from God was present in the hearts of its leaders. Isa 29:11; Matt 25:4,11,12; James 1:5; Matt 7:7,8; 1 John 2:27; Heb 8:10  Unsettling turmoil reigns within and outside of its boundaries; and Gerrit Losch is making a desperate, hypocritical attempt at covering the governing body’s earlier admittance of lacking ‘inspiration’ from God’s spirit. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”  James 3:17
      Who really, has provided the full spectrum of the governing body’s earthly needs?  It isn’t the Father, or Christ.  Satan never promised heavenly wisdom to those who bow down to him, but only the “kingdoms of the world”; which the governing body has been given, with power and authority over God’s Chosen ones, and YOU, JWs!  Matt 4:8,9; Luke 4:5-7; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,7,8,11,14-17; 2 Thess 2:9-12 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
       Since they have already forfeited their inheritance for all that Satan’s realm provides them, the wisdom from God will never be obtained.  Luke 4:8; James 4:7; 13:2; 16:13,14; Heb 12:14-17; Rev 8:10,11; Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      ARMAGEDDON IS HERE – the spiritual battle of truth against lies fought in the valley of “decision”. Joel 3:14   Notice too, the governing body who is so sure of their heavenly destination, is still on the earth.  Instead of ascending into heaven, this composite Harlot will suffer a shocking blow when the organization brings “her” down.  Rev 17:12-18  
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. (“ARMAGEDDON” 4womaninthewilderness)
      From Pearl Doxsey’s, “Eighth King / Punishment of the Great Harlot”:
      “Many that leave the Org. today, do not do so out of a love of truth. Most reasons are selfish ones.
      But we should take note that  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  tells us to get out of the covenant of death ("Babylon the Great") and her present harlot daughter, IF WE DO NOT WANT TO SHARE IN HER SINS AND RECEIVE PART OF HER PLAGUES.
      Getting out of her would no longer be possible, if she is already gone.
          It should also be noted, that God is telling His own people to get out ("my people"  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 
          He is addressing His own priests ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
          This is a conundrum for the WT. They teach that "Babylon the Great" is "Christendom".
          Yet they also teach that there are no anointed in "Christendom". So how is it that
          the anointed would be commanded to come out of "Christendom"? 
          No...God's chosen priests are being commanded to come out of what was God's City,
          which has now turned their back on God, under the wicked steward's leadership.”
      **Side note:  The rest of the anointed are now, not considered part of the “faithful and discreet slave” as a result of “new light”.   Their “heavenly reward” apparently is not a done deal, as is the "slave's".
      “Do the other sheep need to know the names of all anointed ones still on earth today? No. Why not? Because it is not possible for anyone to know for sure that these ones will get their reward.”  Wt 16/1 pp. 20-26
      Since this sifting has occurred and only 8 men are considered the “slave”, prophesy of the “wicked slave” has been fulfilled.  This quote from the Wt. alone and Losch’s cocksure words above, shows the demeaning, psychological beating down of its “fellow slaves”.  Matt 24:48-51 (Matt 25:14-30)
      “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give them food at the proper time?” ….rejected and failed doctrine and publications is not “food at the proper time”, or “meat in due season”.  John 6:27; Matt 7:19,20
      “Blessed is that servant whom the master finds doing his job when he comes. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that wicked servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delayed,’ …how many failed Armageddon dates and “this generation” teachings are there? 
       “and starts to beat his fellow servants, and eats and drinks with drunkards,”….who parrots the words of the GB but the elder body given power over the "holy ones" and drunk on the Harlot’s wine?  Whatever decree the GB orders, the elder body carries out, against Christ’s “kings of the earth”.  Rev 17:1-6; 13:1,5-7,11,12-17
      50 that servant’s master will come on a day he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
      I implore you, JWs, wake up!
       
       
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      Who are Yhwh's Witnesses? A familiar scripture tells us. These are the very same verses which "Jehovah's Witnesses" use to justify taking that label. Please re-examine those verses now, in the hope that as was the case with me, your misconception can be guided into accurate knowledge by means of the Bible.

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      10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
          “and my servant whom I have chosen,
      so that you may know and believe me
      and understand that I am he.
      Before me no god was formed,
          nor will there be one after me.
      11 I, even I, am the Lord,
          and apart from me there is no savior.
      12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
          I, and not some foreign god among you.
      You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.
      21 the people I formed for myself
      that they may proclaim my praise.
      22 “Yet you have not called on me, Jacob,
          you have not wearied yourselves for me, Israel.
      28 So I disgraced the dignitaries of your temple;
          I consigned Jacob to destruction
          and Israel to scorn."

      I have emphasized some of the points Yhwh's words make, because of their relevance to the misconception mentioned earlier.
      The Witnesses referred to in this scripture, received that position, not from men, but from God.
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  clearly states, that Yhwh's genuine witnesses, are those "chosen" by Him ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). These can not be those chosen and designated by mere men ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). This misconception occurred based upon the assumption that Yhwh had already judged and appointed the "faithful and discreet slave" over all his belongings (in 1919 -though this doctrine was recently abolished); and that God installed not only those 144,000 anointed slaves over Christ's total inheritance ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), but also all in association with them, as His "witnesses".
      This is not at all what these verses in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  say, nor what any of the end-time prophecies, indicate.
      The symbolic last two prophets are called Yhwh's "witnesses" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      According to prophecy, every one of them are "killed" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      The Bible makes clear who God's "chosen" ones are [ Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. );  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      It also makes clear what their assignment is ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). The assignment of the Priesthood is not to be rendered in the "Temple" by any other ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). Only those chosen to be priests may render "acceptable service" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) in the Temple arrangement ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      Any other arrangement is considered an abomination by God ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), a "disgusting thing standing in the holy place" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), "standing where it ought not" to be ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )...."trampling" the priesthood of "holy ones" Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      The next point made at  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , is that these ones whom God chooses, are given by God Himself....divine knowledge, understanding, and faith in and of the True God ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). These ones are then said to realize, that besides this True God, there is NO other identity to be served or worshipped ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  adds the trait, that these chosen ones understand, that besides Yhwh and His expressed arrangement, there is no other means nor path of salvation ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Yhwh emphasized once again, that he himself is the only source of revelation, light, and divine proclamation among these chosen ones ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). God's spirit is the source of knowledge to those chosen by Him ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )....not an organization which falsely claims spirit direction ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )--  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 

      God spirit directs and dwells within His Temple priesthood ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ); Not with spiritual Gentiles who hijack this position, due to the lying spirit from a false prophet ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
       
      Yhwh also finds it necessary to clarify and repeat, that there is no other object of worship and service among God's witnesses ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 
      At  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , God concludes by saying that these personal students of His, must teach what they know ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) ....specifically, that only Yhwh is the God deserving service, fear, and worship ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), not an organizational "mountain" offering salvation ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      This exclusive devotion indicates that only God is to be personally worshipped, served and glorified. This teaching would characterize God's genuine "witnesses"....but not the climate of God's people in the time of the end ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
       
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  adds more detail about these genuine witnesses. It highlights the facts that this new creation is being "formed" by God over time, into a group with a purpose ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). That singular purpose is to "declare" God's "praise" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). This would exclude working to accrue praise for any other identity ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), nor pointing to its worldly power for salvation or divine knowledge. This singular purpose would certainly NOT include procuring praise for oneself ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). For God does not share His glory and praise with any other identity. Yhwh's genuine and chosen witnesses, already know this ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      Do we have any scriptural teachings in the Greek scriptures to indicate who these chosen witnesses are (since Isaiah is written to those in the Covenant that has already ended)? Yes...those chosen to be witnesses of Yhwh...those who continue to fulfill Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  are identified under the New Covenant Nation ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). The people God forms for himself to declare his praise, based upon the knowledge they have received directly from His spirit; are clearly identified for any who wish to be followers of Christ ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      According to Yhwh..."Yhwh's Witnesses" are the anointed "chosen" ones, as long as they are:
      worshiping God alone,
      are taught by means of God's spirit and Word exclusively ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ),
      and like Jesus, they must preach and teach others to have an exclusive devotion and worship to God alone. 
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      When Jesus said that his disciples could be identified by their love of one another, the point he was making, is greater than what has yet been realized. 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  reads; "19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed." 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  states that the sons of God, imitate God's perfection in His love, just as Jesus Christ reflected that love through the sacrifice of his life ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      We are to love one another, to that same extent ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      -- After the scriptures teach us what kind of love the genuine and faithful disciples of Christ will display toward their brothers... they also teach us the kind of hatred that is displayed by the unfaithful chosen, against their brothers. 
      If we use these lessons to distinguish the faithful from the unfaithful... we then can have revealed to us... the sons of God ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 
      How then, do the scriptures expose, those who were genuinely chosen by God, but prove unfaithful and unloving? For we are assuredly told, that the love of greater number ("two thirds" in Revelation)... cools off ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      This is not a cooling of love out in Satan's secular world, but is a turning away from Christ's command to sacrificially love our anointed BROTHERS ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
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      Since the scriptures foretell this falling away from Christ and the loss of love in the body of Christ which results; Do the scriptures also reveal the details of who, from among the anointed chosen, loses their love? 
      Yes, they do. 

      Let us consider the pattern of unloving behavior that Jesus disclosed to us, and who it is, who practices that pattern of disobedience, among the brothers of Christ......

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. : "42 The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master of the household, puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 45 But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and **he then begins to beat his fellow servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk."**

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. : "48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master is staying away, longer than I expected.’ 49 And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 51 He will cut him to pieces ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

      First of all, we should establish that the master Christ's household are genuine anointed ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
      Next, to recognize that Jesus appoints a steward/shepherd to the household sheep of each era, to be the channel of spiritual food to the master's household ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
      Such stewards are compared to stars/burning lamplight/messenger-angels... to their own lampstand/congregation/household ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 

      Those appointed stewards, can prove diligent, obedient, refreshing, loving, and faithful, 
      or unfaithful, wicked, drunk, disloyal, deceptive, spiritually lethal, and unloving ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 
      The wicked stewards, battle with the faithful ones ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 

      Each hearer must decide, which "congregation"/lampstand they will belong to, based upon whose spiritual food, and which steward/prophet, they accept.
      The wicked steward (as described at  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  above), also are described as "eating and drinking with drunkards" as well as getting drunk themselves ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). 
      That alliance with other drunkards, is depicted within many scriptures... ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) 
      ...as well as how that alliance works against/"beats", the faithful ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      The events now taking place between the anointed with power (through an alliance with the Gentile Beast)
      ... and those whose power has been "trampled down" and "brought to nothing"... ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), ...did not take God and Jesus by surprise. They prophesied these developments to us, thousands of years in advance. It is only a matter of recognition on our own part, whether or not we perceive and understand, what is now taking place in prophetic detail ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), within God's household of priests, 
      and the unloving steward, now using a Beast, to "beat" his fellows.

      If we are able to discern who it is, that is feeding the household of Christ with poisoned water/rotten fruit that perishes... who has also formed an alliance with a beastly force that has been imbued by that false prophet/wicked steward ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), with an image of being spirit-directed ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), enabling it to replace and trample down without mercy or love, that wicked steward's fellow priests and brothers...

      ...then truly, you have discerned.... 

      --who it is that lovingly gives their life for their brothers (genuine disciples of Christ), 
      --who it is that murders their brother, 
      and also, 
      --who the loving sons of God really are, whom God promised would be revealed, at  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ! ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
       
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    • By Witness
      We can not nullify scripture. Each and every thing Revelation tells us about the Great Crowd,  is how the chosen priests  are described in other scriptures.  We must accept the Bible's own interpretation of who the Great Crowd is.
      Let us consider only one  of the many descriptions of them.... Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      "and they render sacred service day and night in his temple".
      The "Temple" in Revelation is not the physical "shadow" of the reality to come (
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). The "temple" in Revelation symbolizes the anointed 144000 priests, among whom God dwells ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  D). If you read  
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      ("day and night"  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) you will see that the Bible says that the only ones permitted to "render sacred service...in the Temple" are God’s priests (
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). They are the only ones allowed to do this (
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      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  tells us that these include those who were not his people (physical Gentiles), but these have now been "shown mercy" and made priests....
      physical "Gentiles" made into spiritual Jews and  Holy priests ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
      by means of spiritual circumcision of the heart ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). These who serve in God's temple, cannot be spiritual Gentiles (uncircumcised in heart by spirit) who never received the circumcision of the heart (
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). Only anointed, spiritual "Jews" and priests receive this circumcision by spirit ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) and may enter the temple to render acceptable sacred service ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).  Those born in the flesh as Gentiles, but who receive a circumcised heart by spirit, become spiritual Jews. (
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      Yet a distinction is made in 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , between the 144000, and those who appear "afterward" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      We are told in Rev. ch.20, that the 144000 reign with Christ during the Thousand years ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). (which began when Jesus ascended into heaven)   It is after the "Thousand Years", that Satan is released, and the Great Tribulation ensues ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) (Satan's "short time" of release  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

      During the "Thousand Years", Satan is restrained. Those who rule with Christ during that time, are not overcome by Satan's Beasts and their slave mark ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). After Satan's release, he empowers the false prophet and it's Beast, with powerful deception ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      Initially, the Great Crowd are overcome ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  < Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). Of these, a remnant of those who face the Great Tribulation, will be saved ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). These survivors, are the Great Crowd.

      Therefore, the experience of the Great Crowd, differs from the previous faithful priests.
      The previous 144000 had never accepted the slave mark of the Beasts ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) who are unleashed during the Great Tribulation ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). The remnant (remaining ones of the seed - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) are overcome ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), and must be rescued ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). These are required to repent of their soiled identity, and be given white robes ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). Not all, repent (
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      The previous group of 144000 were in the Lamb's book of life during Christ's "Thousand Year" reign ("first resurrection"). The "second death"--
          (being overcome by death again, after having received redemption from Adamic sin and "first" death
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      --"has no hold" on those previous "144000" ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).
      Yet for a time, the "sting" of the agents of death ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), gains a hold on the remnant ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) during Satan's release and Great Tribulation.

      When the Chosen who are living after the Thousand Years, are overcome by the released Satan and the resources of his abyss; they are overcome once again by death, having lost their slave mark of God ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), (being slave-marked by the laws of the Beast - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )
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      Yet there will be those who repent, are saved, and are added to those who receive life (
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      This is why the "144000" and the "Great Crowd" are depicted by scripture, as two different groups.
      Yet in the end, the survivors of the Great Tribulation, battle for Truth (
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      Imagine a large room, where genuine anointed ones from the organization have gathered together. I say “genuine” because it is becoming a discreet trend for many to partake during the memorial, who are not anointed. In my mind, I see this as another attempt by Satan to seduce individuals into thinking that all are part of the anointed Body of Christ, under the New Covenant; and which is another step in concealing who the “holy ones” are.
      Imagine that these anointed ones in the room are robed in the holy garments that clearly identify them in like manner as the early holy priesthood, awaiting sanctification to serve in God’s Temple. Exod 28:39-43; 39:22-31; 1 Cor 6:11; 2 Cor 7:1; Heb 8:5  
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. From a door located on one side of this large room, another group arrives; men who are not wearing the holy priestly garb. They are not “circumcised” priests, but are “Gentiles” that have unofficially entered the courts of God’s Temple. Each man approaches and stands before an anointed priest, removes their holy garments, and dons the stolen robes, masking the true intentions of the heart. Rom 2:28,29; 9:6; Heb 8:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Joel 2:1-2; Rev.9:3-10; Matt.24:21; Luke21:20,24; Rev.13:10,7 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      They tell the anointed ones to exit by the other door; which they do, with no questions asked. The result obliterates any “daily sacrifice” that only the authentic priests are able, and are obligated to perform. With the new fraudulent priesthood come new “sacrifices of praise” that support - not God - but an idol. 1 Chron 23:30-32; 2 Chron 20:11,12; Ezek 8:6; 2 Cor 11:20; Matt 24:15; 1 Pet 2:5; Rom 12:1; Heb 13:15; Rev 2:20 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      These “uncircumcised” “Gentiles” have been given free access by powerful, rebellious traitors against Christ, to enter God’s Temple…and defile it. No longer does God hear the praises from His holy ones, and no longer can His “living stones” be called, Holy. God’s genuine priesthood has been “defrocked” and a false priesthood now demands their obedience. Ezek 5:11; 1 Cor 3:17; Luke 16:3; Ezek 44:6-8; Rev 13:11,12,15; Ps 79:1   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      es 17, pp 57-67 - “Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope.”
      Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
      And people should seek the law from his mouth;
      For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
      “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”  Heb 8:10
       “And we have such trust through Christ toward God.  Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”  1 Cor 3:4-6
      “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
      “And My servant whom I have chosen,
      That you may know and believe Me,
      And understand that I am He.
      Before Me there was no God formed,
      Nor shall there be after Me.  Isa 43:10
      “Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,  you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 
      “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light”  1 Pet 2:4,5,9
      These are the true “Witnesses” God has chosen to bear His name.
      In reality, we do not see the anointed priesthood wearing holy garments. Within the Watchtower, we cannot distinguish how they are set apart for a special work under the New Covenant. Mark 14:22-24 We may only notice them partaking of emblems at the memorial each year; but please, JWs, picture them as each one being part of God’s Temple as a “living”, Temple “stone”. John 2:19-21;1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 Should these stones be replaced with those ‘carved’ by men? Deut 27:5-8; 1 Kings 6:7; Matt 16:18    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      Because it takes spiritual discernment to see this, the Watchtower relies on their ability to cover over these spiritual insights of scripture; and by doing so, have successfully “defrocked” God’s priesthood, replacing them with “uncircumcised” “Gentiles” – the Body of Elders. Ezek 44:23,24; Mal 2:7-9 The "sacrifices of praise" by this false priesthood do not ascend to God, since those have been abolished. They are praises supporting the Watchtower Idol - "Jehovah's organization". Rev 13:4,7,8 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      Watchtower 02/8/1 “REPRESENTING the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not.” “Rather than CHALLENGE their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!”
      To enforce this blasphemous authorization of replacing GodÂ’s Temple priests, the article boldly states:
      “Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.”
      Is this true? God’s Word verifies that it has never been acceptable for his temple priesthood to be replaced. 2 Chron 23:6;13:9   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      Matthew 24:15 – “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ (the “disgusting thing”) spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand)”
      How can we relate this scripture to the elder body having authority over the anointed priesthood in the organization?  Rev 11:1,2, shows “Gentiles” overtaking the sanctuary/"holy place" of God, and robbing the anointed priesthood of their ‘holy garments’; thus desolating the sanctuary. 
      Also, Daniel reveals the intentions of Watchtower’s leaders to destroy God’s “sanctuary”:
      “He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.  Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered. “ Dan 8:11,12
      The last powerful and “unusual” force of Daniel’s image expresses two contrasting elements – one of clay and one of iron, found together. The entirety of this image describes powers that have affected God’s people during their individual historic reigns, but please consider Pearl Doxsey’s comment on the last power and fourth beast that the anointed ones face today in the Watchtower organization.
      “The feet of the image shows that the reign over the anointed in the time of the end, is dual.
      Not only is the metallic element still there (as it was in the previous powers- All "Gentiles"-not God's people) (Gentiles-Iron); for the first time, the statue contains "clay" of the earth..."the offspring of MANKIND". (Dan.2:41,42,43)
      This clay represents those who belong to the "Potter" (Isa.29:16; 45:9; Jer.18:6; Rom.9:21), and they SHOULD be molded by Him alone. But instead, they mold themselves to the Iron (Gentiles) by conforming themselves to the iron, allowing the iron to mold them, rather than God.
      Unknowingly, these "clay" actually conform to Satan's will, becoming a part of Satan's dominion over God's people (Rev.9:1; 17:12). In a short time, that clay hardens to this form (as baked clay), and is no longer useful to its original owner. It is now suited only for destruction as an extension of Satan's "body".
      This has come to pass, in that the anointed today are DOMINATED within the Organization, not only by spiritual "Gentiles" alone; but by their own brothers who have joined in with the Gentiles to dominate their brothers in Christ....the wicked steward with "confirmed drunkards" from outside the master's household (Matt.24:45,48,49,50,51).
      When Christ, through the final capstone, "smashes" the feet of the image of Daniel (Dan.2:34,45; Heb.11:10; Eze.3:8,9; Isa.50:7; 45:17; 49:8; 54:4; Micah.1:2); it is not smashing all of Satan's world, but only the Image Satan has used to dominate God's people, which is NOT Satan's entire world-wide dominion.
      It is well known that the Image of Daniel does not contain all the political identities which have ever existed in Satan's world; But only ones which have dominated God's chosen people.”
      Pearl Doxsey  - 4womaninthewilderness
      Please, JWs, educate yourselves of the vital importance of this priesthood dominated by the fourth Beast of DanielÂ’s visions. Dan 7:7 Not only are the anointed ones affected by such a crushing duel power, but also are all, who reside in the organization. We are to FLEE AWAY from this abomination and come to the true Mountain that will destroy the last power to afflict GodÂ’s people. Matt 24:16
       



    • By Witness
      In the JW October Broadcast, an assembly hall in the United States is referenced as “Jehovah’s House”. They make the comparison of the early temple maintenance, to the care of the “773 assembly halls worldwide”. It goes into detail how this is accomplished, and John 2:17 is used to support it, which says “Zeal for your house will consume me.” These words were consistently used during the segment, convincing JWs of the obligation to maintain “Jehovah’s house”. Such blasphemy and irony. Jesus was incensed that the early temple had become a “house of merchandise”, which is no different than any convention or assembly by the Watchtower, by setting the goal for donations ahead of time. What a strange twist of a lie.

      But, the grave sin resulting from this Watchtower lie is that we see again, God’s Temple/dwelling/house has been abused through a corrupt source of spiritual commodity. The anointed priesthood has been forced to “buy and sell” "spiritual food" only what a wicked slave has determined. Yet, also God’s Word has been deliberately bypassed by the false prophet/beast of the earth, which gives proof there is NO OTHER TEMPLE OR “HOUSE” than the anointed Body of Christ. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 13:11,15-17 The Watchtower has convinced the anointed and their brethren to worship a composite idol – the organization and all of its material holdings. 
      “And his disciples remembered that it is written: Zeal for your house will consume me.
      18 So the Jews replied to him, “What sign will you show us for doing these things?”
      19 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it up in three days.”
      20 Therefore the Jews said, “This temple took forty-six years to build, and will you raise it up in three days?”
      21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 So when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the statement Jesus had made. John 2:17-22

      I am so amazed how the Watchtower can cherry-pick one scripture, and twist it so tightly into a shiny new lie. Can Jesus’ words to the woman at the well be dismissed, when he said God is seeking for such ones to worship only in “spirit and truth”?  1 Pet 1:25; Isa 40:3-8
      Keeping in mind that the broadcast is comparing meeting buildings to the early temple where God’s spirit once dwelled (God’s house) and where worship to God was given, notice what the Watchtower says,
      wp 16  No. 2 pp. 8-10 - “The Jewish temple was a tangible structure at a specific geographic location. But spirit and truth are not material, nor are they limited to any physical place. Thus, Jesus was explaining that true Christian worship would not be centered in or dependent on any material structure or physical location, whether Mount Gerizim, the temple in Jerusalem, or any other sacred place.
      How, then, should Christians view pilgrimages to and worship at shrines? Taking into account Jesus’ command that true worshippers worship God with spirit and truth, it is clear that worship rendered at any shrine or sacred place has no special value to our heavenly Father. Additionally, the Bible tells us how God views the veneration of idols in worship. It says: “Flee from idolatry” and “guard yourselves from idols.” (
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) Therefore, a true Christian would not worship at any place that is viewed as holy in itself or one that encourages idolatry. Thus, on account of the very nature of shrines, true Christians refrain from worshipping at them.” SHRINE – “any structure or place consecrated or devoted to some saint, holy person, or deity, as an altar, chapel, church, or temple.”
      Watchtower’s definition of “God’s House”/Temple are meeting places - shrines.  God’s definition is the Body of Christ.
      Pearl Doxsey 4womaninthewilderness:
      “It was asserted to me, that it is important for Christians to gather in some sort of church structure. I offer some scriptural considerations, about that thought.... Regarding buildings, Jesus' own apostles commented on the buildings that were at the center of the true God's worship. Just after Jesus proclaimed his breaking ties with the organization of his day (Matt.23:38-39), his apostles appealed to him to reconsider, by saying..., "Look Lord. what wonderful stones and buildings, and offerings dedicated to God! He said, 6 “Do you see these things? The days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” (Matt.24:1-2; Mark13:1; Luke21:5-6). What building could exist, more fitting for worship, than the Temple in Jerusalem, while God's covenant with the Jews was still in force? Of it, Jesus also said; "Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." (John2:19). 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Would God's new place of dwelling with the people, be physical? Acts7:48 reads; ""However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands". The new Temple dwelling of God, that would be raised up in the Body of Christ, would not be physical. The new Temple for worship, and "place of prayer for all nations", would be his "Body". Please consider how the next two scriptures, impact that concept... "Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it." (1Cor.12:27) -- "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?" (1Cor.3:16).
      Connected to God's presence and dwelling among mankind, Rev.21:3 reads; "And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.". If we consider ourselves "God's people", and ascribe import to the existence of His genuine dwelling... would we not want to give it more significance than a literal building of mortar and wood? Of such things, Jesus said they were all due to pass away. But the Temple OF HEAVEN (Acts7:44; Heb.8:5; 12:22-24), provides treasure for us that will never pass away, if we store up in our heart, what is genuine.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Just previous to Rev.21:3 (which speaks of the presence of God's genuine Temple with men), verse 2 reads; "And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man." "NEW JERUSALEM" contains the New Temple, referred to by Christ. Just as a husband and wife become one flesh... "so that they are no longer two, but one"... New Jerusalem (the "bride prepared for her husband"), has become "one spirit with Christ" (1Cor.6:17) and one Spiritual body with him (1Cor.12:27), as God's Temple, with mankind.  
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. If we believe that a physical building has any significance or impact, regarding our salvation and connection to God and Christ... are we really perceiving the significance of what these foregoing scriptures, reveal? It can be summed up by a conversation Jesus had, in John, chapter 4:
      "The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
      But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John4:19-21,23-24).
      So... no mention of a location, a particular religion, or any sort of physical building. 
      "Spirit and Truth". From where can spirit and truth be found? God's spirit and truth, are put inside the "living stones" of His Temple (1Pet.2:5,9-10; Eph.2:20-22) 
      - "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit." (Eph 2:20-22)
      "He set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." (2Cor.1:22)
      "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth." (1John2:20)
      "the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." (John14:17).
      Rev.5:9-10 speaks of those who are God's Temple priesthood, bought by the blood of Christ. As Heb.8:5 stated, the original physical tabernacle which Moses erected under God's direction, was built and patterned according to the heavenly one to come. It was to be a perfect reflection of the spiritual reality, expressed in physical terms. Of the original priesthood, Mal.2:7 reads; "For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts." As brought out by Rev.5:9-10... Christ has a priesthood over which he is high priest.   
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Should we not seek out that Genuine Temple of God, rather than give value to a building made by human hands, where "moth and rust, consume"?
      "Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man." (Heb.8:1-2)
       
    • By Kurt
      Ernest Gericke claimed he had been appointed in the office of ‘the Christ’ and wanted the court to hear his ‘public oath of office of the King’.
      An urgent application by a Centurion man who wanted the  North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria to place him in control of Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world has been struck off the roll.
      Ernest Ronald Gericke, an “anointed one” of the religious group, claimed in court papers he had been appointed in the office of “the Christ” and wanted the court to hear his “public oath of office of the King”.
      But Judge Bill Prinsloo struck the matter off the court roll.
      In what appeared to be papers drawn up by himself, Gericke sought an order placing him in full control and ownership over all the assets of Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world, disbanding the governing body of the organisation and declaring him the rightful leader.
      He also wanted the court to interdict anyone who openly opposed the “new arrangement” and did not cooperate with him, and to order the police to assist him.
      In addition, he wanted the court to order that the organisation should immediately be providing him and his family with living and office space and cover their expenses.
      Gericke relied on quotes from the Bible and various publications of the organisation to sustain his claim to overall leadership and said as the new leader and “the Christ”, his order was that the South African branch of the organisation in Krugersdorp was declared as their new temporary headquarters; that the governing body was disbanded; memberships of committees revoked; and anyone who opposed him should be removed from the organisation’s property.
      He said that after the court had heard his public oath of office, members of the organisation would then be presented, on April 11, with an oath to the king and would then become citizens of the Kingdom of God on Earth, which he would establish on that day. He wanted the court to order that this new arrangement be communicated to all congregations of the organisation around the world.

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    • By Queen Esther
      This  graphic  is  showing  the  number of partaking anointed remnant at the  MEMORIAL  since  1938....
      What  a  big  surprise  is  this  curious  curve !
      Many  years  of  lessening # of partaking anointed ones,  until  2007....
       
      Fred Franz
      b. Sept. 12, 1893 d. Dec. 22, 1992. (possibly a last one of the first group of anointed of "this generation")
      Mark Sanderson born 1965, baptized 1975 (10 yrs old), 27 yrs. old in 1992. ( 17 yrs in truth by this time; one of the last one's of "this generation")
      1993   8,693
      1994   8,617
      1995   8,645
      1996   8,757
      1997   8795
      1998   8756
      1999   8755
      2000   8661
      2001   8730
      2002   8760
      2003   8565
      2004   8570
      2005   8524
      2006   8,758
      2007   9,105 (when increase became
      2008   9,986 without question)
      2009 10,857
      2010 11,202
      2011 11,824
      2012 12,604   
      2013 13,204
      2014 14,121
      2015 15,177   6419 increase in past 9 years  
       
       
       
    • By HollyW
      I understand your answer perfectly, John, and it confirms what I posted, that according to the WTS there were less than 144,000 Christians in nearly 1900 years.  As the reader J.A. from the Dominican Republic pointed out when he wrote to the Society about it, being one of the 144,000 was the only position open to Christians during all that time.
      [wt 1/15/1952 QFR] Questions From Readers

      ● According to the article “Hated for His Name” in the September 1, 1951, Watchtower, hundreds of thousands of Christians died in the “ten persecutions” starting in Nero’s time, 144,000 dying in Egypt alone during one of the persecutions. How can this be harmonized with the Scriptural limitation of 144,000 placed on the number being in Christ’s body, and which position was the only one open to Christians during those centuries?—J.A., Dominican Republic.
       
      And the Society's reply shows that the vast majority of those they mentioned in their article who were martyred for their faith as Christians were not real Christians at all, but only "professed Christians".  It's kind of ironic that they would be thought to be examples for JWs today who face similar persecutions.
    • By Jack Ryan
      I have a question I was hoping someone here could answer. I know JW's say that Jewish scribes removed the name of God from the Greek New Testament manuscripts, but I have not seen any documented evidence from reputable scholars to substantiate that claim. In fact, today I was reading through the Watchtower edition #4 under the section titled "The Bible Survived Attempts to Alter Its Message" and I found an interesting quote there. Basically, it makes the argument that due to the strict standard involved in copying the manuscripts, the sheer volume of Greek manuscripts available, and the availability of early manuscripts as early as the second century, we can be confident that the Greek manuscripts read nearly exactly as the originals.
      So, if that is true, and I agree it is, how can the claim be made on one hand that the Bible has been accurately transmitted through the centuries, and on the other hand say that Jewish scholars took the name of God out of all 27 books of the New Testament? Either one believes the integrity of the Bible has been preserved through the centuries, or one doesn't. If the name of God has truly been omitted, how can we trust many other things haven't been omitted or changed?
      Below is the quote from the Watchtower article.i would be interested to see the sources from credible scholars that show evidence that the name of God has been omitted.
      ______
      A member of the editorial team of the Dead Sea Scrolls concluded that one scroll “provides irrefutable proof that the transmission of the biblical text through a period of more than one thousand years by the hands of Jewish copyists has been extremely faithful and careful.”
      The Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, Ireland, features a collection of papyri that represents nearly every book of the Christian Greek Scriptures, including manuscripts dating from the second century C.E.—only about 100 years after the Bible was completed. “Although the Papyri supply a wealth of new information on textual detail,” The Anchor Bible Dictionary observes, “they also demonstrate remarkable stability in the transmission history of the biblical text.”
      “It may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted”
      THE RESULT: Rather than corrupting the Bible text, the age and multitude of Bible manuscripts have actually improved it. “No other ancient book has anything like such early and plentiful testimony to its text,” wrote Sir Frederic Kenyon about the Christian Greek Scriptures, “and no unbiased scholar would deny that the text that has come down to us is substantially sound.” And regarding the Hebrew Scriptures, scholar William Henry Green stated: *****“It may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted.”*****

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    • By The Librarian
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      Jehovah's Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christian men and women from Pentecost of 33 CE until the present day will be resurrected to heaven as immortal spirit beings to spend eternity with  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . They believe that these people are "anointed" by God to become part of the spiritual "Israel of God". They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous and the unrighteous" ones of Acts 24:15), will be given an opportunity to live forever in a restored paradise on earth. According to the Witnesses, the first of the 144,000 were resurrected in 1918 (April) and others who die thereafter are immediately resurrected to heaven.


      Individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. In 2014, 14,121 Witnesses worldwide claimed to be of the anointed "remnant" of the 144,000.The members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42.

      Jesus Christ is their "Mediator"







      Did the first million or so professed "Anointed Christians" really just end up in Gehenna? 


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    • By Kurt
      Relations between different numbers and their symbolic meaning regarding to the number 144000 - PDF
       
    • By Jesus.defender
      How do you prove from the Bible that 1935 was the year for the selection to heaven stopped due to being filled? What is the difference between a Catholic appealing to "what the organization tells him" about December 25 being the date of Jesus' birthday and a Jw' appealing to "what the organization tells him" about the date 1935? Is it not hypocritical when you chide the "poor deluded Catholic" that his faith cannot find a Bible passage to support it, when the same goes for you and 1935?
       
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