CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News

[Witness]

7 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Why should political wrangling and power make a difference to a Christian

If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21

[Witness]

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

False - the "image of the beast" is the UN - which is the scarlet colored beast. It is NOT the beast as you say.

Can you provide proof from God's word?

The Beast from the Sea and the “scarlet colored beast” are the same beast. 

Then he carried me away in the Spirit to a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.  Rev 17:3

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.  Rev 13:1

The scarlet color represents sins.  The spiritual Harlot/false prophet/Beast from the earth are the same identity.  The Harlot who is "sitting" ("exercises all the authority") on the Beast, wears scarlet.  Rev 13:11,12; Rev 17:3,4.

"Come, let us settle this," says the LORD. "Though your sins are scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are crimson red, they will be like wool.  Isa 1:18

“And you, devastated one, what are you doing that you dress yourself in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with gold jewelry, that you enhance your eyes with makeup? You beautify yourself for nothing. Your lovers reject you; they intend to take your life.”  Jer 4:30

The “image” that is formed, is “spirit-breathed”. (Rev 13:15) So, have the world’s religions “breathed” spirit into the UN, leading the world to worship the UN, or W.H.O.?  No!  You forget that the focal point of the scriptures have been on God’s people under covenant who are regularly led astray by sin, false prophets, and idolatry, leading to God’s people falling into spiritual harlotry. (Hos 4:12; 6:10 - "Jehovah's spirit-directed organization" - an idol)

To believe that the organization is exempt from God’s wrath is pure, blind foolishness.  In the light of false predictions, ever changing doctrine and assumed authority over God's anointed, the organization and its leaders will face the wrath of God.  (Rev 13:4-8; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 19:20)

 

 

 

 

 

[TrueTomHarley]

Okay, let’s see what @JW Insiderdoes with this one:

A decision of the London Uyghur Tribunal that involves “eighteen months of deliberations, hundreds of thousands of documents, ten thousand hours of background research and scrutiny of 500 witness statements….” concluded that

“…crimes against Humanity attributable to the PRC were established beyond reasonable doubt … through acts of deportation or forcible transfer; imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty; torture; rape and other sexual violence; enforced sterilization; persecution; enforced disappearance; and other inhumane acts.”

https://bitterwinter.org/uyghur-tribunal-and-the-verdict-is-genocide/

I’m perfectly willing to accept that the kings of north/south and their allies incessantly slander one another and scheme to bend media to their will. However, the above decision involves 500 witnesses, not the 12 or so sources that JWI has spoken of in the past.

It this tribunal verdict means nothing, then Dmitar is right, even if not for the right reason. Don’t bother trying to figure out anything, for there is no way to know. Just read the Bible.

I mean, if these 500 witnesses can be so readily dismissed, maybe the 500 witnesses to Christ’s resurrection are next. (1 Corinthians 15:6)

[Dmitar]

8 hours ago, Witness said:

If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21

Correct. Then why fall under the same snare of a town crier? 

[Dmitar]

8 hours ago, Witness said:

If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21

Correct, why then fall under the same snare of a town crier?

8 hours ago, Witness said:

To believe that the organization is exempt from God’s wrath is pure, blind foolishness.  In the light of false predictions, ever changing doctrine and assumed authority over God's anointed, the organization and its leaders will face the wrath of God.  (Rev 13:4-8; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 19:20)

Can you explain your position here? Wouldn't any organization in this world, and every man, be individually judged? Was Jesus not judged by man?

[Arauna]

17 hours ago, Witness said:

Beast from the Sea and the “scarlet colored beast” are the same beast. 

Read your bible again!  The one is an image of the beast.... which receives breath of life from the beast - the seventh head.

 

[Arauna]

9 hours ago, Dmitar said:

concerned with what is happening within their heart

Be more concerned with reading the bible because this cleanses the entire soul. 

[Pudgy]

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

Be more concerned with reading the bible because this cleanses the entire soul. 

The American comedian W.C. Fields, on his death bed in the hospital, was observed reading the Bible just before he died, and was asked by a visitor about that, and his reply was " .... just looking for loopholes.".

[Pudgy]

14 hours ago, Dmitar said:

22 hours ago, Witness said:

If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21

Correct. Then why fall under the same snare of a town crier? 

I have noticed over a long period of time a pronounced consistency about your posts, after noticing over a long period of time a pronounced consistency about your reactions to other peoples' posts.

Your posts almost always end by asking one or several questions based on false premises, and

Your reactions (almost exclusively down votes) are completely without a rational basis, and ignore the actual post, and are based on who is posting.

You are a very skilled diversionist and intimidator, governed by your agenda.  Excellent qualities and skill sets for a criminal defense attorney with a naive and unsophisticated jury.

I think, (assuming you are not already a lawyer) you missed your calling in life.

 

 

[Pudgy]

On 12/16/2021 at 5:32 AM, Arauna said:

News not always comes as a BIG block of shock!  It can come quite like stealth!  Like a thief in the night....

...you are thinking about history.

It is not news that the thief comes when not expected. You are in full expectation that it will come at an unknown time .... not that it is coming, or not coming at all.

On a related note, I have been thinking about using news of the "Brandon" administration as fuel for a FTL (Faster Than Light) starship engine, for as we all know .... nothing travels faster than bad news.

 

[Witness]

14 hours ago, Arauna said:

Read your bible again!  The one is an image of the beast.... which receives breath of life from the beast - the seventh head.

 

The Beast from the earth IS a head/leader of the Beast from the Sea.  It has been given the authority to “breathe spirit” into the Beast of Rev 13:1.  Does that mean that the false prophet/leaders created a different Beast?   No.  It means that the Beast of Rev 13:1 can now project an image as “inspired”. 

Jesus breathed spirit into his disciples, who became the “living stones” of Jesus’ body/Temple.  John 20:22

"The second beast (Rev 13:11 - men/false prophets) was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. "

The Beast from the earth, which is a composite Head of the sea Beast, has two horns like a lamb, as if from Christ.  “Two”, representing truth. (John 8:17) “Two”, as if its leaders are the “two witnesses” of Rev 11:3,  just as Rutherford and his associates claimed they were.    Instead of speaking truth though, these leaders speak like the Father of the Lie, Satan, the dragon.  They, as a composite, are false prophets who appear to be sent by Christ.  (Matt 7:15; 24:11,24,25)

The inspired sea Beast, appears to be divine.  “Jehovah’s organization”.  Who labeled it as such?  Those who say they represent Christ and truth – the GB, leaders, heads, of the sea Beast – heads who direct the Wt. organization. Through deception, they have "given breath" to their organization, which has been called "spirit-directed".  Does  "Jehovah's organization" "speak" to to JWs?  All the time.  Decrees come down from "Jehovah's organization" and must be obeyed.  It is an idol that can speak.  

"He (the false prophet) was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."  Rev 13:15

Okay, through direction of "Jehovah's spirit-directed organization" the anointed in Christ have been "killed" for speaking against both Beasts, the false prophet, (Rev13:11) and the beast from the sea.  Once they give testimony to truth in Jesus Christ, they are sentenced to a spiritual "death" by the elder body. (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7;12:11)

The sea Beast, the false prophet/two-horned Beast, and the dragon, exude “demonic expressions”.  Again, their targets are the “kings of the earth” – JESUS’ KINGS – the anointed, not the political rulers of the world!  (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; Rev 16:13-16)

This sea Beast and its image is called by the governing body, “earthly Zion”. The genuine Zion is the Temple of God, not an organization of people that thrives on money , servitude from its members, and positive legislation.  The genuine Zion is physically “represented” on earth by the inspired anointed ones. (1 Pet 2:5,9)  But that truth has been buried, as the organization and elder body has grown.  As “living stones” of Zion, the anointed are to project the image of God’s heavenly Temple. They are to be messengers of God’s word, truth in Christ – ONLY.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Cor 3:16)   The uninspired/”uncircumcised” elders who are the heart of the organization, project and represent the image of an earthly organization, that conveniently calls itself “Zion”.  They are messengers of the doctrine of men.

This is the dichotomy of the genuine Temple of God (2 Thess 2:3,4) It is an idol that is revered.  If this weren’t true, JWs would realize they don’t need to dedicate their life to it.  They would genuinely worship “in spirit and in truth”, without glorifying any locale, or concept called  “Jehovah’s  mountainlike organization”, which bare reality shows  is just a worldly corporation....demonized. John 4:21-24

Instead of standing for, and representing the Temple of God, the anointed “kings” belonging to Jesus, have been deceived and convinced that the “inspired”/divine organization must have their allegiance, their respect and servitude.  They have come to worship the Beast from the Sea.   (Rev 18:3)

JWs in general have no respect for, or knowledge of, the genuine spiritual Temple of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) And that is the work of a wicked slave and the “man of lawlessness”. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-8)

14 hours ago, Arauna said:

Be more concerned with reading the bible because this cleanses the entire soul. 

Not unless the Bible's truth fills the heart.  I am astounded that you say this, yet write reams about what is happening on the political front of the world.  Hearts can be hardened, bringing ruin to the entire being.  (Prov 2:1-5; Rom 2:5)

 "A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."  Luke 6:45

 

 

 

 

[Dmitar]

2 hours ago, Witness said:

The Beast from the earth IS a head/leader of the Beast from the Sea.  It has been given the authority to “breathe spirit” into the Beast of Rev 13:1.  Does that mean that the false prophet/leaders created a different Beast?   No.  It means that the Beast of Rev 13:1 can now project an image as “inspired”. 

Can you explain this thought, since you believe the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not inspired?

Which interpretation is being used by you?

CSB  Revelation 13:1 And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. He had 10 horns and seven heads. On his horns were 10 diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.

KJV  Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

NAS  Revelation 13:1 And he stood on the sand of the seashore. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.

BGT  Revelation 13:1 Καὶ εἶδον ἐκ τῆς θαλάσσης θηρίον ἀναβαῖνον, ἔχον κέρατα δέκα καὶ κεφαλὰς ἑπτὰ καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν κεράτων αὐτοῦ δέκα διαδήματα καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτοῦ ὀνόμα[τα] βλασφημίας.