CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Can you explain this thought, since you believe the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not inspired?

There is another spirit, than just the spirit from God, as you must well know.  

 "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" 1 Tim 4:1

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."  Rev 16:13,14

"You give your mouth to evil, And your tongue frames deceit." Ps 50:19

"A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."  Luke 6:45

An inspired anointed one has the Spirit of God, poured into their heart.  Spirit is truth.  (John 17:17; Rom 5:5; 1 John 2:27) The spirit of Satan brings forth lies from the heart of an "inspired" evil one.  So, on the one hand the GB who said they are not inspired, are right.  They are not inspired by the spirit of God.  They are "inspired" by the spirit from Satan.  (2 Cor 11:4,13-15)

3 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Which interpretation is being used by you?

I use various translations, but I can always provide the translation used when quoting scripture if you like.  Those above are NKJV, I believe.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Witness]

On 12/17/2021 at 3:52 PM, Dmitar said:

Can you explain your position here? Wouldn't any organization in this world, and every man, be individually judged? Was Jesus not judged by man?

The reason I use scriptures, is to show that judgment comes from God's Word. (Jer 23:29)  Disfellowshipping is a form of judgment carried out by men, and administered on men (and women).  This has been prophesied to occur on those who stand alone for Jesus Christ.  (Matt 5:11;  Luke 21:12,13; Matt 24:9; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3, 7,8) 

[Arauna]

13 hours ago, Witness said:

Rev 13:1 can now project an image as “inspired”. 

Not correct.  Revelation speaks of the Image of the beast as being the eighth king for an hour!  Although it is like an image of the World political system - the beast - it was created by the beast (given breath) and goes on to rule for an hour.   The UN is that image and it it is inspiring all the propaganda now going out to the world.  All governments (the beast) and financial corporations and banks are now working together to get the plan of the UN done by year 2030. They all have one thought!  The image has put an ideal situation before them which sounds as if they will be the means for bringing "peace and security" to the earth. Some have more ulterior motives of course!  

Unfortunately, we know the UN is also called " the disgusting thing of destruction" because in its bid to reach its goal - Jehovah will put in the heart of the UN and the beast (they work together) to destroy all religion.  This will lead to Armagedon.  Their plans will start to fall apart at this stage and they will lose their money and cry over babylon the great.

All the propaganda now seen is government propaganda promoting the goal of the UN Agenda 2030.  The WEF has the same goals as the UN... an the new proposals to 'build back better" is part of the agenda.   Even the POPE is promoting Agenda 2030 with his environmental propaganda.  (The earth needs to be restored - we are in a severe situation ) ....  However he environmental plans of Agenda 2030 of the UN will bring only GMO foods and franken meats and rations of all energy, food, water, land etc.   You "will own nothing and be happy" was one of the slogans prompted by the WEF - which has upset many people.

JWs do not care about material things but when they start to mandate what your morals must be and which God you must obey - then most people - those who love Jehovah - will not go along with it. When they attack - Jehovah will step in.

While there is time - you can learn about this.  Do not let your own ideas rule you like it did Cain,

Most of your preaching comes from hate and not from love - that which is in the heart does come out.  I apply this scripture to yourself: For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."  Luke 6:45.  I see a lot of hateful folly in your writings - not much logic, and not an accurate knowledge of the bible - a little sloppy!

11 hours ago, Dmitar said:

and on his heads were blasphemous names.

I am writing from my memory -  The beast has blasphemous names on its heads..... BUT the "image of the beast" (UN)  is FULL of blasphemous names.  There are also some other differences!  The UN has become the means by which they want to replace Jehovah's kingdom government and rule to create peace and security!  While all the previous heads have ruled over |Jehovah's people - this UN entity will try to replace all human government  in opposition to Jehovah....... just like Nimrod did.  It will be the ultimate 666 - imperfect human rule!

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Not correct.  Revelation speaks of the Image of the beast as being the eighth king for an hour!  Although it is like an image of the World political system - the beast - it was created by the beast (given breath) and goes on to rule for an hour. 

Eighth King/Punishment of the Great Harlot

[Arauna]

the eighth king is the UN - the disgusting thing of destruction - and it turns against all religion. 

I think you have some things mixed up - and I think you have the harlot also mixed up..... so would I trust you?

Naaaa! 

The UN is the part that was - was not - and then came up again.  First as the League of nations - then went down in the abyss during WW2- and then was given breath by the Anglo-American power - the beast which came out of the earth which is also the false prophet - as it preached democracy to the world.

 

[Witness]

56 minutes ago, Arauna said:

the eighth king is the UN - the disgusting thing of destruction - and it turns against all religion. 

You are not recognizing that the Beast of Rev 13:1, “makes war” and takes captive the anointed.  Col 2:8; Rev 13:5-7,10.  This happens by the use of deceit.  (Rev 16:13-16)

The Beast of Rev 13:11 directs this deceitful, spiritual war against God’s priesthood.  If the Beast was the UN, how can it deceive the anointed?  The UN has actually come to the aid of JWs in Russia.  How can it find every anointed one and “blaspheme” them, as the Temple/sanctuary of God?   They don’t understand that the anointed are the “living stones” of God’s Temple.   I don’t think you understand this as well.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)

The eighth king will rid the organization of the false prophet/Harlot/Beast of Rev 13:11.  From there, it will continue to reign “for one hour”, with unsealed anointed (“ten kings”) giving over their crown/authority to it, reigning within a coalition of “Israel” and “Gentiles”. (Rev 17:15-18)

Perhaps when you see the GB ousted, you will understand; but, now is the time to flee.  Rev 18:4-8 

Those who support the Beast as it is now, and as eighth king after the Harlot GB is gone, are those who refuse to love truth in Jesus Christ, and "love the lie" instead.  (2 Thess 2:9-12)  That has nothing to do with the UN, it is all about deceit from the mouths of false prophets/teachers that was prophesied to come upon the anointed in the last days.  (Matt 24:24,25)   It is the "man of lawlessness" - ELDER BODY -  NOW sitting in the Temple of God.  (2 Thess 2:3,4)  The Temple/dwelling of God's spirit is in the hearts of the anointed ones.  (Ezek 44:6-9; Cor 3:16,17)

No one, can "represent the roya'l priesthood", but the elders do.  This translates into the "abomination of desolation" that Daniel spoke of.  (Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31)

You are living under the delusion of a false sense of "peace and security" offered by the organization, disregarding its sins as if God also doesn't care to notice.  Judgment comes upon the "house"/God's priesthood....FIRST.    (Jer 8:11,12;1 Thess 5:3)  (Mal 3:1-5; 1 Pet 4:17; 1 Pet 2:5;  Eph 2:19-22)

 

 

 

[Dmitar]

@Arauna @Witness

How could this impasse be clarified? It appears there is something to be said about both books of Daniel and Revelation.

Since both books deal with a period of reign of the Anti-Christ, and the persecution of the true church, how is it determined by scripture how the “gentile” nations will confront God’s people. Are there similarities by which the natural Jew was subjected to, that a spiritual Jew cannot?

By Jew of course I mean the nation of Israel, by its old covenant and its new covenant.

1.       The Beast, heads, and horns

(Dan. 7:1-28), (Rev. 13:1; 17:3, 7), (Rev. 13:11).

What are the characteristics concerning their visions which indicate that God was showing each of them different aspects of the same kings and kingdoms related to Gentile dominion throughout history and the final form of Gentile power at the return of Messiah?

 

(Dan. 7:13-14, 26-27; (Rev. 19:11-20).

 

Who are these gentile nations? Anyone that is not a Jew is a gentile. Then what part will the U.N. play in this world of Gentiles?

 

Can it be the single most difficult aspect for interpreters of passages involving the beasts, heads, and

horns are accounting for their differences while at the same time appreciating their similarities. In

various passages, (Dan. 7:14, 24; (Rev. 17:10) all three symbols—beasts, heads, and horns—are said to be “kings” and sometimes kings represent sequential rulers.

 

At times, it can be contemporaneous kings within a single kingdom (Dan. 7:6; 8:8; Rev. 17:10).

 

Now let’s speak of the influence of the church. At some point, there will be a cooperative effort between established and prominent churches with States. Russia and the Orthodox church are a good example. The Catholic Faith making a political difference. What is the Status-quo to resist the establishment of God’s Kingdom? Another example would be the influence the Catholic Church had to imprison the leaders of the Watchtower Society.

 

*** sl chap. 3 p. 32 par. 7 A Transformed Messiah with Whom Politicians Must Cope ***

⁷ In considering the above-expressed Jewish opinion as to the identity of “my servant,” we are obliged to ask, Who today or where today is what Dr. Slotki calls “the ideal Israel”? Is it to be found in this generation of natural Jews that has survived the regime of the Nazi dictator Hitler in Europe and Communist oppressions and that yet number some 14,443,925? Do we find the “ideal Israel” or that “servant” of the Most High God in the present-day Republic of Israel, particularly its Jewish population that controls the political government? What Jew, either of the Orthodox religious section or of the Reform religious section, sees in all Jewry or any part of Jewry today “the ideal Israel,” over 2,700 years after the giving of the prophecy of Isaiah? So they have no proof at all that the “servant” of Isaiah’s prophecy is the “ideal Israel” made up of natural Jews.

 

Romans 2:28-29 New International Version 28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart

THOSE who argue that the Church is under the New Covenant, instead of under the Abrahamic Covenant, symbolized by Sarah, as the Apostle says, are perplexed with the plain prophecy of Jeremiah 31:31-33. It distinctly declares that New Covenant provision to be for the house of Israel and the house of Judah—the ten tribes and the two tribes of the Jewish nation. Perplexed, they answer that they are Jews; that all Christians are Jews, and that the New Covenant prophecy, therefore, applies to them and proves that it has already been established and that they are enjoying its provisions.

(Revelation 13:16, 17); (Jeremiah 30:7); (Zechariah 12:2, 3; 14:2).

 Therefore, what’s the distinction between King and Kingdom for spiritual Israel? Here, we can assert, comparison prophesies.

 The Book of Daniel; Daniel 7:24,25; Daniel 12:7. 3 ½ times

The Book of Revelation; Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:1-8. 42 months

                                            Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6. 1260 days

                                            Revelation 12:14. 3 ½ times

 

Where in scripture does it state, Christians should be anxious about future events? Philippians 4:6; Matthew 6:27; Luke 12:25.

 It’s true, Christians need to be alert but not to a point it would consume their lives. Luke 21:34

Persecution will come from “all” sides of the global for true Christians, ALL Gentiles.

 

[Dmitar]

Final note for the interested. Who is taking the lead and is more prominent and vocal in today’s societies across the world?

False Jews, Apostates

In this church they are warned about “those” who claim that they are Jews but are not. We don't think this is warning us about literal Jews, but it’s about those who claim to be God’s people (false Christians). The temple and the Jewish nation had already been destroyed by this time, which would help to prove that these Jews should be looked at as spiritual Jews or Christians, just as we see in Rev Chapter 7. The Christian church, early on replaced literal Jews as God’s people, after they had rejected Christ. It was only those who were God’s people in their hearts, and who had faith in the blood of Christ, that were truly Jews, God had rejected the literal nation of the Jews. Even natural born Jews were not true Jews in God’s sight, unless they were Jews in their heart. They will receive favor again in the next age but they will have to say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

 

Rom 2:28-29) 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. (NAU)

Gal 3:6-7) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS

RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.

[Arauna]

On 12/17/2021 at 4:51 AM, Witness said:

The organization has lumped together all the political powers part of the UN, saying that it is the Beast of Rev 13:1,2, and somehow the world’s religions are directing the UN

The organization has not said this... lumped all political power as the UN ..... The image of the beast is the UN and it gets life from the beast - this is in the bible.... and this is what they say.

 

On 12/17/2021 at 11:39 AM, Arauna said:

Our taxes go to pay of the INTEREST the American government pays a private organization for printing our fiat money. The entire group of corporations and the new ones which have joined the UN , are all private corporations which have worked in outsourced tandem with the CIA and other secret government sectors. 

Yes - I have said this.  I do not recall the GB saying this - so be careful what kind of crier you are! 

 

[JW Insider]

On 12/17/2021 at 10:33 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

A decision of the London Uyghur Tribunal that involves “eighteen months of deliberations, hundreds of thousands of documents, ten thousand hours of background research and scrutiny of 500 witness statements….” concluded that

Yes, these claims have also been debunked (IMO). However, getting to the bottom of such claims is a time-consuming process. Also, it is nearly impossible to penetrate through the layers and layers of propaganda that the Western media has flooded us with, especially in Australia and the United States. Even if one could start to be convinced about the outright lies told about Taiwan, and/or a certain tennis player being harrassed by Western media, and/or the Hong Kong riots, for example, there will still be a steady stream of additional claims about people disappearing, organ harvesting, China Sea incursions, Uyghur "concentration camps," water rights in Tibet and India, etc.

Also, the people responsible for decisions at various levels in the Chinese government have undoubtedly done bad things and made bad decisions, imo. So, it's likely that many of these issues are based on actual problems that can then be exaggerated so that persons who want to believe them will do so more easily. As things get worse in the West, people will want (and need) to believe that things must be so much worse in the "East." As Westerners learn about terrible things their own governments are doing, it becomes all the more important to project and amplify the problems of non-Western governments.

As I've said before, to study an issue like this, I first like to see what things that each side will admit is true about the claims of other side. Most "third" sides of an argument are most often merely a compromise between the claims of the two primary sides. This is often just an easy way out that makes the "third" claimant seem more reasonable, but it can merely adds some unwarranted credibility to false claims. And then of course those so-called "more reasonable" claims just get driven right back up to unreasonable levels anyway. Just like the original idea, probably true, that there were thousands of Uyghurs in prison, which then got quickly driven up to a million, then 10 million, then "genocide." (All during the same time period when the population of Uyghurs was still rising in the disputed regions.) 

So, in this case we still have primarily two sides:

1. The claims of Adrien Zenz who claims to be on a Christian apocalyptic mission from God against China et al, and a still very small number of persons who are relatives of (or associated with) persons in the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, the ETIM. The ETIM was listed as a terrorist organization by George W Bush in 2004. Under Trump, Mike Pompeo announced that he was removing them from the list of terrorist organizations. Almost all "documents" have turned out to be sourced from Adrien Zenz, and most "witnesses" claim to have experienced a version of the story given by persons like Tursunay Ziawudun. (The current version of her story, not the original version that she gave when first interviewed.) If one traces down the claims of activists, human rights groups, and China pundits, they will still find that their claims are sourced by these few witnesses, no matter how many additional witnesses are claimed, or how many hundreds of thousands of pages they have supposedly gone through.
2. On the other side, there is China's version of the story and most of the 54 mostly Muslim nations that China invited into the disputed region to show them what was going on. Those nations have expressed agreement with how China has been dealing with the ETIM and related issues.

And, of course, there are many who claim to be experts on China who amplify whichever side they agree with on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Curiously the NYT just did a "hit piece" on Chinese social media account owners who support China's version of the issue. Some of these are English-speaking persons living and working in China. These persons often have their accounts banned and flagged, at least temporarily. Even while trying to get some links for this response, I found that Twitter claimed, for several of these account owners, that the account owners had limited the number of people who could read their posts. That made absolutely no sense, but further reading on the Twitter explanation page showed that it was actually Twitter that was limiting the number of persons who could read certain posts on these accounts. When Twitter says "This account owner limits who can see their Tweets" it's actually a clever way of disingenuously expressing the idea that the account owner is limiting their viewability by not changing their view when Twitter doesn't want those views publicized.

Naturally, I was only hit with Twitter warnings and YouTube warnings when accessing accounts that supported China's version.

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So what's a person to do? As I said above, I start out accepting what the ETIM supporters admits is true about the claims of China, and accepting what China admits is true about the claims of the ETIM. Since I don't read Chinese (and only one person in my family does) I will have to temporarily settle for online proxies for each side.

One good place to start is the interview of a well-known Uyghur activist who has been viewed by millions, as interviewed by Daniel Dumbrill, an English-speaking man who works in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gygxrdNmzUQ&t=1743s

In the interview, the Muslim Uyghur activist obviously supports the goals of the ETIM, but he admits that 5,000 to 10,000 Uyghurs have engaged in and supported terrorism to reach these goals. He has interviewed many of these even in Turkey where he now lives, and admits that thousands of Uyghurs came from many countries, not just China, to fight as terrorists in Syria and elsewhere. He decries the fact that so many of these young men didn't know the first thing about Islam or the Quran, but that they just wanted to fight for Muslim freedom. He indicates that they should have stayed in "East Turkistan" to fight the Chinese.  A few years ago, when I first heard US officials claim that even Chinese persons were there fighting in Syria, I actually didn't believe this was accurate at the time.

The Muslim activist also admits that the many Muslim-majority nations who were invited to China actually did approve of the methods that China used in order to try to de-radicalize Islamic terrorists. (But he also claims that many of these same countries won't even stand up for Palestinian rights, so why should we have expected them to stand up for Uyghur rights.) The Muslim activist says that his own father, a well-known actor in China, had to spend 10 months in the camp, and was released only 17 months prior to this interview in 2020.

There were several more things admitted by him, and several things that would make persons question the accuracy of the accounts and claims of this activist.

But there were also a few things admitted by the interviewer, Daniel Dumbrill, who is also an journalist/activist promoting China's version of the story. He admits, for example, that he himself has heard and interviewed Uyghurs who are racially profiled in various parts of China, and how some travel restrictions have made it more difficult for Uyghurs to travel in and out of the country. And there were several other things that he either admitted or seemed to tacitly agree with as possible or probable.

The video interview I mentioned is below, but the description section also contains a lot of additional information (just below the video) for anyone curious enough to hear Daniel Dumbrill's further research supporting his own side of the issue.

 

Look at the actual description on the YouTube page to see the following links and descriptions in their entirety, formatted correctly:

In todays episode I speak to a famous Overseas Uyghur activist who is one of the top sources of information for many people in the English world about what is happening in Xinjiang. Carl Zha's interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7PZ... Arslan's Twitter: https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat Resources: New video of Arslan's father in law: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... A motive for deliberately instigated unrest: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Economics of anti-China Xinjiang propaganda: https://www.workers.org/2019/12/44963/ US Air Strike on Uyhgurs in 2018 - https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Information about Adrian Zenz's comments: https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/sta... Detailed information on Adrian Zenz: https://chollima.org/who-is-adrian-ze... Tursunay Ziyawudun's changing story: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Uyghur activist who blocked me is funded by ASPI (military industrial complex): https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Population data from Adrian Zenz report doesn't add up: https://twitter.com/Hubei_Peasant/sta... While America is sanctioning Xinjiang companies based on assumptions they are involved in atrocities against Muslims, their own companies who have been confirmed to be involved in atrocities against Muslims are winning multi-billion dollar deals: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... An example of how stories are suddenly fabricated by ordinary people in the West as well: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Journalist very active in the Xinjiang story searches for only Xinjiang ethnic minorities who agree with his story and tell the rest to F off: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Rushan Abbas admitting to her time in Guantanamo Bay and calling it a nice place: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Some of the problematic Douyin posts mentioned in our chat: https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status... Example of fake missing people: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Example of another Uyghur activist's story changing on me: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... 4 corners Xinjiang documentary issues: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Parallels/s... A thread debunking a lot of the Xinjiang propaganda: https://twitter.com/LassPeaches/statu... More statistics from government data in Xinjiang: https://twitter.com/izak_novak/status... Where the name East Turkistan came from: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/11... Chinese culture has been in Xinjiang for a long time: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/11... Number of Mosques in China: https://twitter.com/LassPeaches/statu... Xinjiang propaganda is recycled failed Tibet propaganda: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Countries that support China's policy in Xinjiang: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... More government documents on Xinjiang in this thread: https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/... The World Uyghur Congress talking about their sources and a thread on John Oliver's Xinjiang piece: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... A good video debunking John Oliver's piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unpUS... More information about the World Uyghur Congress: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/05/wo... In this thread there are 3 must watch documentaries on the terrorism problem in Xinjiang: https://twitter.com/ml_1maria/status/... Some of the sources behind the forced labour claims: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/fo... Example of HRW NGO not being able to back up their stories when critical questions are asked: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... More debunked propaganda against China: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/co... Uyghur speaking up about other Uyghurs being brainwashed into fighting with ISIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXCbM... Example of the fake testimony about Iraq: https://twitter.com/Seanboy63800243/s... Document that covers the propaganda against Xinjiang: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d... NED funded journalism: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st...

[Dmitar]

@JW Insider Question. Are all Jehovah's Witnesses consumed with the politics of a nation, they are willing to defend that corrupt nation? If so, why? Can you give me a bible example?

You also seem to imply, all reports of China's Human Rights violations are false. Are you paid to defend that nation?

https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/g7-condemns-human-rights-violations-against-uyghurs-in-china/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071

https://humanrights-ev.com/increasing-human-rights-violations-in-the-uyghur-region/

https://borgenproject.org/chinas-human-rights-violations/

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang

https://www.mei.edu/publications/standing-china-human-rights-case-uyghurs

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/global

https://borgenproject.org/human-rights-violations-in-china/

https://www.hrichina.org/en

 

[JW Insider]

A good article, imo, about the World Uyghur Congress can be found here:

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/05/world-uyghur-congress-us-far-right-regime-change-network-fall-china/

Inside the World Uyghur Congress: The US-backed right-wing regime-change network seeking the ‘fall of China’

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/

‘Forced labor’ stories on China brought to you by US gov, NATO, arms industry to drive Cold War PR blitz

Also, one of the (leftist) journalist/activists who is responsible for the first article just mentioned made a quick overview of the Uyghur issues (as he sees them) here. Starts about 5 minutes in: