How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.

[Witness]

On 5/7/2022 at 10:33 AM, Pudgy said:

I also would Highly recommend to everyone to read the entirety of TTH’s link above!

I did find the book on line for free, (…. Don’t forget, Chapter Three) as the copyright has long expired, and here ‘tis.:

 

I, robot.pdf 1.07 MB · 1 download

On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source:

JERUSALEM—Religious experts have begun voicing concerns that a local carpenter’s disinformation is spreading among Israelites most susceptible to unapproved ideas.

“Visit your nearest synagogue for the latest information on how to obey God. Listen to the experts!” A contingent of authorities in Jewish law spoke out against the carpenter’s simple teaching about loving God and your neighbor. “Follow the data—we need tithes, loopholes, and ever-changing rules, not repentant hearts!”

The usually divided Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes showed solidarity in fact-checking Jesus’s teaching. “We rate Jesus’s teaching as ‘Needs Context,’" said a spokesman for the group.

Eyewitnesses have confirmed that a group of Independent Fact Checkers followed the carpenter around holding large signs with disclaimers above his head: “SINCE YOUR SERMON INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT OBEYING GOD’S LAW, WE’VE ADDED DIRECTIONS TO THE NEAREST SYNAGOGUE.”

At publishing time, the religious experts were conspiring with the government to keep the dangerous disinformation from spreading into Judea, Samaria, or to the uttermost parts of the earth.

This man shared misinformation online, so the Ministry of Truth -- err, sorry, the Disinformation Governance Board -- detained him for questioning. Will he stand strong in the face of torture?

 

Not a screenshot, just quoting your comment.

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

This interesting biblical quote points to another problem in WTJWorg (or in the individual believer). Religious JW leaders have been praying to God for 140 years for Bible truth and understanding. So they prayed for bread and fish. And they got something. They put it on paper and in public speeches. They developed doctrines and beliefs in these things.
Then they came to the conclusion that they did not get bread and fish, but stone and snake. They rejected doctrines and prayed to God again. Again they got something from God. So they rejected it again, because, it seems, they got a stone and a snake again.

Boy, we’ve experienced that time and again in the Wt. There are keys we know we can consider when looking at “fruit” to choose from; and it should be our choice, not shoved down our throat with threats that we must submit to. 

“As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the Lord: “My Spirit who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth, will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of your children’s children, from now on and forever,” says the Lord.” Isa 59:21

If someone is given/chosen to receive the Spirit of God, their teachings would remain. (John 13:20)

“You did not choose me, but I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce fruit and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he will give you.”  John 15:16

How easy it is for men to want their own ideas to fly.  Like Russell and the pyramid/1914.  Or Rutherford and Beth Sarim and his failed dates.  Franz and 1975/ Armageddon. These were selfish, ambitious acts that don’t require humility to approach God with an honest heart for direction. None of those ideas were sourced in the Spirit of God according to Isa 59:21; which tells us, these people are not “part” of Christ who is the vine.  The sap of this vine is Holy Spirit that reaches the branches.  If an anointed one does not produce “good fruit” it proves they were never Christ’s disciples. 

“I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me. ⁶ If anyone does not remain in me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. ⁷ If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. ⁸ My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples.  John 15:5-8

This also shows the Wt. cannot, never has, and will not, glorify the Father – either by giving glory to His name, or to His works. It’s teachings/fruit never remains.   It certainly will not glorify the Son, whom they say directs the congregations. 

The GB are withering without the Spirit of God.  They are feeding their people “vomit”.  Incredibly they are actually regurgitating past articles, sprucing them up, and serving them again.

As a dog returns to its vomit, so also a fool repeats his foolishness. Prov 26:11

Indeed, all their tables are covered with vomit; there is no place without a stench.  Isa 28:8

Rotten “fruit” never smells appetizing.  Matt 7:15-20

 

[xero]

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

It seems that RUSSELL didn't think your way. He said an organisation WASN'T NECESSARY. 

Being organised is necessary, but that does not mean being ruled over by men. 

Each person shoud in fact work out their own salvation w/fear and trembling, but that does not mean submitting to men. 

Whatever. You're just wasting your time and that of any anyone else who bothers w/you.

[Pudgy]

Good enough! 
 

Thank You Witness!

Clearly this contested “quote” was authored by the Babylon Bee and I did not author it, as adamantly attributed.

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

On 5/7/2022 at 6:33 PM, Pudgy said:

I also would Highly recommend to everyone to read the entirety of TTH’s link above!

I did find the book on line for free, (…. Don’t forget, Chapter Three) as the copyright has long expired, and here ‘tis.:

 

I, robot.pdf 1.07 MB · 1 download

On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source:

JERUSALEM—Religious experts have begun voicing concerns that a local carpenter’s disinformation is spreading among Israelites most susceptible to unapproved ideas.

“Visit your nearest synagogue for the latest information on how to obey God. Listen to the experts!” A contingent of authorities in Jewish law spoke out against the carpenter’s simple teaching about loving God and your neighbor. “Follow the data—we need tithes, loopholes, and ever-changing rules, not repentant hearts!”

The usually divided Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes showed solidarity in fact-checking Jesus’s teaching. “We rate Jesus’s teaching as ‘Needs Context,’" said a spokesman for the group.

Eyewitnesses have confirmed that a group of Independent Fact Checkers followed the carpenter around holding large signs with disclaimers above his head: “SINCE YOUR SERMON INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT OBEYING GOD’S LAW, WE’VE ADDED DIRECTIONS TO THE NEAREST SYNAGOGUE.”

At publishing time, the religious experts were conspiring with the government to keep the dangerous disinformation from spreading into Judea, Samaria, or to the uttermost parts of the earth.

This man shared misinformation online, so the Ministry of Truth -- err, sorry, the Disinformation Governance Board -- detained him for questioning. Will he stand strong in the face of torture?

 

I genuinely thought that this was one of your 'funny' comments. I do not see any reference to the originality of that 'article'. I also do not see any quotation marks to show it is a quotation. 

"On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source:" 

That to me seems similar to your advertising Pudgy coin or dogfood or whatever you write about. There is no sign of any original source for this, hence i presumed it was your own 'work'. 

But at the end of the day, IT WAS YOU THAT PUT IT UP THERE. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

until then, your credibility with me is zero, and my accusations stand as written.

I NEED NO CRED' WITH YOU, I THINK YOU ARE PROBABLY THE ONE THAT NEEDS CRED WITH OTHERS. 

Get that chip off your shoulder JAMES. 

[Pudgy]

Fair enough, perhaps I also assumed folks were more familiar with the writing style of The Babylon Bee, in much the same way that if you talk about “The Grey Lady” in the context of newspapers, many or most would know you are referring to The New York Times.
 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

1 minute ago, Pudgy said:

Fair enough, perhaps I also assumed folks were more familiar with the writing style of The Babylon Bee.

I've never even heard of it. I'm in England maybe that makes a difference. Most of you are in the USA so a lot of the stuff some of you write really does go over my head. Films, television programmes, books et al. I seriously do keep myself seperate from the 'world' so i don't bother with many things. My wife and i find happiness in God's creations and we tend to keep away from much comercialism........ 

[Arauna]

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And the insults continue. JWs can you not even write one comment without insults ? By their works you will know them. 

Look who is talking!

[Pudgy]

I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of and the acrimony generated by these discussions. I now realize that he acted honorably, and in good faith, with the reasonable assumption that I authored the cut-and-paste article from  The Babylon Bee web site, because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY as a poster to be clear and unambiguous as to attributions.

I also should have remembered what I posted, and did not.

What “lit my fire”, was the quote from what I did post …. Words of terrible import …. That I forgot were part of a biting satire by The Babylon Bee against the Jewish clergy ….  attributed to “Pudgy said”.

And so when I went looking for where I had personally said it (authored it), that is what I was looking for, and did not find it.

This whole mess is entirely my fault, and I am sorry for over-reacting, and appreciate those who called me out on it.

At the end of the day, it was my post.

[Anna]

13 hours ago, Witness said:

You're saying that there have been no missionaries "preaching" to people in Calcutta at their doors over the years?  Are you also saying that in your Armageddon, these people will not be destroyed?

A simple answer to both questions would be yes. 

I don't think people in the slums of Calcutta have been spoken to by a JW..... at least not to the point of being able to make an informed decision*

At Armaggedon, only those people who have rejected the truth about Jesus and God will be destroyed.  People cannot reject something they  have never heard of, or don't understand.

*An interesting article here:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1987128

It makes a point that: Very few are interested enough to want a Bible study. Making a living and bettering their station in life seem to be the only things on their mind. That, coupled with minimal, if any, education, makes it very difficult for them to accept the good news.

 

 

[xero]

One thing to keep in mind both now, at Armageddon and even afterwards when the rebellion at the end of  the 1000 years occurs is that none of us will ever know all the antecedents leading to a decision made by any given individual or even for that matter that of ourselves. We will never "know" that any individual "rejected the truth" of their own free will... we will simply have to trust that such is the case. We're fooling ourselves if we imagine that there will always be tangible external evidence which we can point to and say "See! They rejected the truth!"

It comes down to "Do you trust Jehovah or not?"