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5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Many Earthwide who were once JW's and have left or been removed because they were stumbled due to the GB policies and the puppet Elders that didn't question orders

I think it is just that they developed or came across something that they thought entitled them to drive the bus. They left when they discovered that they would not be allowed to. In some cases they were caught red-handed trying to hotwire the bus.

In the end it is a too high opinion of oneself and one’s wisdom that sinks one. The worship and deeds of Jehovah’s Witnesses, magnified by their organized quality, either appeal to the heart or they don’t.

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They did indeed. You are right. And they got things wrong as well. But not where it counts it seems.

The problem with that is that sometimes in someone's eyes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And what someone calls being stumbled, someone else calls being strengthened, by exactly the

I think it is just that they developed or came across something that they thought entitled them to drive the bus. They left when they discovered that they would not be allowed to. In some cases they w

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12 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Just shows how wrong you can be. Your presumption of happiness seems to be entirely material. That may well be at the core of your perception.

 

 

Oh dear, actually it related to scripture, but in truth I'm sure you got the point of it. You and your close friends are ok, so why worry about anyone else. But of course you knew exactly where i was coming from, and didn't like it. So be it, you show yourself  to be a true JW in attitude, selfish and not caring of others, other than close friends. Matthew 5 v 46 & 47. 

 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing?  And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing ? 

I had actually seen this attitude in the KH when I'd asked after someone who has been missing from meetings for a long time. No one really cares. They only care for these close friends. So be it. 

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10 hours ago, Anna said:

The problem with that is that sometimes in someone's eyes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And what someone calls being stumbled, someone else calls being strengthened, by exactly the same thing. I suppose it all boils down to attitude and :

Colossians  3:13

"Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely even if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Just as Jehovah freely forgave you, you must also do the same. 14  But besides all these things, clothe yourselves with love, for it is a perfect bond of union."

 

So the Luke 17 v 1 & 2 scripture means nothing then ?  Your saying the Colossians scripture contradicts it ? 

I suppose you would use that Colossians scripture against the Victims of Child Abuse. So be it Anna.

JW's showing true colours here today it seems. I'd give you the same Matthew scripture as above. 

Give consideration to those spiritually weaker that yourself. 

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9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I think it is just that they developed or came across something that they thought entitled them to drive the bus. They left when they discovered that they would not be allowed to. In some cases they were caught red-handed trying to hotwire the bus.

In the end it is a too high opinion of oneself and one’s wisdom that sinks one. The worship and deeds of Jehovah’s Witnesses, magnified by their organized quality, either appeal to the heart or they don’t.

I would give you the same Luke 17 v 1 & 2 scripture too, but it would be of no use. There are none so blind as those that deliberately will not see. And that seems to apply to you and Anna and Gone Away. 

I am finding though that visiting this 'site' helps to give me perspective. And although it may not seem so, i do consider both sides of the 'coin'.  Yes people can get easily upset by trivial matters i agree, and yes we should all try to overlook 'faults' in others and hope that they would overlook our faults too. 

But to say that they leave because they can't get control seems a bit far fetched. Unless of course a person enters the Org with such intentions, but I wouldn't think many do that.  I do find that in congregations I've known, that individual Elders do tend to take control of the congregation, and the other Elders seem to be frightened of them. You might find that unbelievable. 

For instance when I reported a situation and was then threatened with being disfellowshipped for slander. The one Elder that threatened to disfellowship me if i didn't withdraw all of my accusations, seemed to back off when i said, 'If you think you have the authority to disfellowship me then go ahead and do it '. He didn't of course as he didn't have that authority, but the threat was only from him, not the other Elders.  That Elder now has his father with him as another Elder in Honiton congregation, here in Devon. I dread to think how it is being run now. The two of them domineering the congregation. 

The JW Org is like a beautiful forest from a distance, but just do not get close and look at those trees or you will be so disappointed. 

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Oh dear, actually it related to scripture, but in truth I'm sure you got the point of it. You and your close friends are ok, so why worry about anyone else. But of course you knew exactly where i was coming from, and didn't like it. So be it, you show yourself  to be a true JW in attitude, selfish and not caring of others, other than close friends. Matthew 5 v 46 & 47. 

I find that hard to believe with what you have said about Christians who are trying to prevent brazen conduct and the fact that other things happen to other people outside of a single faith community.

 

That being said, people do care, and they have concerns for all persons, not all persons from a single community.

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@TrueTomHarley People seem to forget that Trees are of God's creation. One of the things my father and mother appreciated were anything and everything God has created, so it is silly to be disappointed in something that God provided to mankind, the flora and such s like a gift from our Father in Heaven, as well as the beautifully seas.

 

Alas, what is a blessing some do not appreciate, until it is gone or dying out, that is when they begin to care.

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12 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

@TrueTomHarley People seem to forget that Trees are of God's creation....Alas, what is a blessing some do not appreciate, until it is gone or dying out, that is when they begin to care.

Yes, they are nice, but they have blemishes. Some are gnarly. Some suffer bugs and blight. Some are not symmetrical. 

'Rip them all out and blacktop what remains' is the attitude of some.

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And not that anyone can be bothered to go back and see what i wrote but this is the scripture i was relating it to. James 2 v 16.

yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it? 

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