Questions about instructions given to elders regarding accusations of child sexual abuse

[Anna]

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Anna, here we have a technicality. 

My comment was that many 'feared they would be disfellowshipped if they went outside the org'..  Some have actually said that.

Yes, I understood what you said. They had a fear.  But it was unfounded because like I said; "going to the police was never a disfellowshipping matter". However, and I added a clause, if going to the police was part and parcel of gossiping and slandering, then they could be disfellowshipped for that. And as you say, you have experienced that yourself, even when unfounded!

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

But Elders could find another reason to use to disfellowship said person, and /or a person could well be shunned by the congregation if the congregation found out that said person had gone to the police. 

Yes, a bad elder could find another reason to disfellowship because if going to the police is not a disfellowshipping matter, and if there is no slander involved, then this elder has no grounds to act that way, and he has to make something up. Anyone who does that is dishonest. He would be acting on his own, and NOT because of any instructions from the GB. So remember John, if unfounded, then these are the actions of a bad elder, and not because of any instructions from the Bethel or the GB. My experience with elders has been very good for the most part, most elders have been loving and caring people. BUT I also have known a couple of bad elders. They do exist for sure. There were bad elders in the 1st century;

"I wrote something to the congregation, but Di·otʹre·phes, who likes to have the first place among them, does not accept anything from us with respect. That is why if I come, I will call attention to the works he is doing in spreading malicious talk about us. Not being content with this, he refuses to welcome the brothers with respect; and those who want to welcome them, he tries to hinder and to throw out of the congregation". John 3:9

And yes, some congregation members could shun said person. But they would be acting on their own as well, and not from anything that was instructed by anyone. You cannot control how certain people will act, even if it's unfair or wrong. You cannot stop someone from "marking" someone else, even if unfounded. That is a personal thing unfortunately. But Jehovah sees the heart and will judge all.

[JOHN BUTLER]

16 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I would agree you have yet to understand what goes on in a judicial committee if your understanding is what an Elder will do to make up something. If there is an offense other than what was brought before them, they will also include as many offenses to decide. When someone is confronted with an accusation, the person showing hostility usually is guilty of something. If a victim confronts an Elder as those described to you in the other thread, the outcome can be just as critical as the accused.  This is where it seems illogical to think an Elder would make up something to find fault. I image this comes from processing what happened to Christ. One would think a former witness with inadequate knowledge would not have to resort to insults.

I will not further my time with such deep-seated hatred. It does society no good. The proof is with Trump and what he has incited people to violence. social media.

There is no reason to further this discussion. A decision has been made, who you will engage properly.

Quite funny when I've already told you I don't care what you think. It's former witnesses that do have the knowledge and that is what the JW Org is finding out now.  Hence Former witnesses are now being listened to by those that have the legal authority to do something about it.  Sorry you can't handle that Kid.