The Name of God - Documentary by Fritz Poppenberg

[Anna]

16 hours ago, SuziQ1513 said:

 Just a friendly correction to the above statement.  Nehemiah Gordon is indeed a Karaite Jew (Kara means scripture) but not a Rabbi. 

Thank you Suzi! I was actually wondering about that. My bad, I misinterpreted what I read in Wikipedia about him. He was born to Jewish family of rabbis. Which of course doesn't mean he is a rabbi himself, and it didn't make sense after I read what the Karaites stand for. That they do not believe in the Oral Torah like the rabbis do.

16 hours ago, SuziQ1513 said:

have learned quite a lot from him and have read his book:

I will have to try and get a hold of it, sounds very interesting. A while ago I was also looking at a website, and I wish I could remember what they were called, I don't think they were karaites, but maybe some other Jewish "sect" who are anti Zionists, in that they believe Christ will rule from Jerusalem, but not thanks to any human political events and human intervention of the return of the Jews to Jerusalem, but only through the literal coming of the Messiah and through God's intervention, not human. Sort of similar to what we believe except for the physical presence aspect. They feel that when he does come, they will be able to identify him, through genealogical records (this was a debate I wanted to have with one of the Rabbis, since all those records no longer exist, but didn't get around to it). Anyway, that was a bit beside the point, just interesting.....Interesting to note that so many Religions (Christendom and Judaism) have grains of Biblical truth, just all muddled up and inconsistent.....

[Anna]

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

But a scenario just as likely is that they are smarter than me and are able to do both without breaking a sweat.

I know what you mean. I mean, I feel the same way about me, lol

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

I know what you mean

That one was for real.

[JW Insider]

On 10/25/2017 at 1:30 PM, Anna said:

It is to be noted that both Rolf Furuli and Gerard Gertroux are both Jehovah's Witnesses.

Don't know how long Gerard Gertoux has been a Witness, but two years ago I was asked to look over a paper (thesis-length) he had written on chronology. I went to get it about a year later and all the links had this item removed, but no others. Fortunately there was still a roundabout way to get a copy. I think this is his most complete work on chronology and it's excellent and comprehensive but it "demolishes" any chance that he could have believed 607 was the date for destruction of Jerusalem, at least at the time he wrote the paper. It was actually a very good paper, and I don't really know why it was removed from so many places. (I can guess, of course, but I could be wrong.) The next time the subject comes up, I'll be happy to quote at length from his paper, although I would respect his wish not to quote directly from it, if this is his wish.

Does anyone here have a current contact for him? If so, please PM me. Does he frequent any forums that anyone here knows about?

[JW Insider]

@Anna, BTW, I only commented up until near the first half of this. There are things in the second half I found to be just as bad. But I didn't want to spoil anyone else's chance to comment first.

[Anna]

45 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

@Anna, BTW, I only commented up until near the first half of this. There are things in the second half I found to be just as bad. But I didn't want to spoil anyone else's chance to comment first.

That's ok, because I only watched half of it! lol (Don't tell True Tom though)

I will watch the other half and see what I find...

[Anna]

52 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I think this is his most complete work on chronology and it's excellent and comprehensive but it "demolishes" any chance that he could have believed 607 was the date for destruction of Jerusalem, at least at the time he wrote the paper.

Ha!

As you saw in the video, he and Furuli contradicted each other several times.....

[TrueTomHarley]

56 minutes ago, Anna said:

That's ok, because I only watched half of it! lol (Don't tell True Tom though)

Sooooooo! 

"You must see it, TrueTom. Did you see it yet? How bout now?

"Well, when you gonna see it? C'mon! Prove that you're a spiritual man. See it!!!"

And now it turns out it's so dull you couldn't plow through it yourself!  I'm even going to like my own comment!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

When the Ferengi and the Klingons fight, setting Phasers on "STUN" is the mark of a sissy.

[JW Insider]

39 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

When you give “scholars” more authority than GOD. What does that tell the world?

I've never accused you of giving "scholars" more authority than God just because you often quote scholarly authorities who contradict the Governing Body in almost every way possible. That includes the "Kyrios Christos" book you just introduced above as an "example" which says basically that the New Testament was influenced by false religion. And I've never accused the Governing Body of giving "scholars" more authority than God just because they use and quote outside scholars, too, but usually in a much more judicious manner than several of your recent examples.

You include in your answer that Jesus was explicitly referring to the Pharisees and applying the verse as if he were saying that the Pharisees themselves were gods. I think this goes beyond any claim in the Watch Tower publications, which seem carefully worded to avoid this same implication. Note:

*** si p. 196 par. 19 Bible Book Number 43—John ***

• In answer to their charge of blasphemy, he reminds them that in the book of Psalms, certain mighty ones of earth are referred to as “gods,” whereas he has referred to himself as God’s Son. (Ps. 82:6) He urges them at least to believe his works.—John 10:34.

Other than your wildly inaccurate personal accusations, however, I found several parts of your answer to be useful, which is why I have given you another "up-vote." Thanks.

[TrueTomHarley]

7 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

which is why I have given you another "up-vote."

I wondered about that up-vote.

[TrueTomHarley]

5 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

See, now TTH feels better!

Yes. Now is cleared up a great mystery.