The Days of Distress are coming to their end...

[Witness]

5 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Once again, a Jehovah's Witness @JW Insider "defending" a bible uneducated former witness by using "literal" wordplay, instead of understanding scripture by not manipulating literature to ensure a bad report.

Your comment is total confusion.  He quoted the Watchtower.  That was basically the extent of it.  If by doing so, a "bad report" was revealed, it was the fault of the Wt leaders who approved the quotes.

[Dmitar]

28 minutes ago, Witness said:

Your comment is total confusion.  He quoted the Watchtower.  That was basically the extent of it.  If by doing so, a "bad report" was revealed, it was the fault of the Wt leaders who approved the quotes.

Incorrect, it was done by a bad actor making a supposition instead of understanding. No different from you, and Pearl Doxsey. But, that how's the game of misinformation is played here. To give pride, an ego for self-destruction.

§4
 but in a dark night it is impossible for our glance to penetrate under the water. Thus, these words "the earth was invisible" are explained by those that follow; "the deep" covered it and itself was in darkness. Thus, the deep is not a multitude of hostile powers, as has been imagined;  nor "darkness" an evil sovereign force in enmity with good. In reality two rival principles of equal power, if engaged without ceasing in a war o mutual attacks, will end in self-destruction. But if one should gain the mastery it would completely annihilate the conquered.
Chapter 11: A Preacher in Paradise (2 Corinthians 12:1-10)

Paul's thorn in the flesh was given to him to keep him from sinning. Exciting spiritual experiences - like going to heaven and back - have a way of inflating the human ego ; and pride leads to a multitude of temptations to sin. Had Paul's heart been filled with pride, those next fourteen years would have been filled with failure instead of success.

If you want people to respect you as a Christian, then act like a Christian in following Jesus example.

[Arauna]

15 hours ago, JW Insider said:

image" from Rev 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, and 20 has not been used since 2012,

So what is it doing on our website right now? 

[Pudgy]

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

So what is it doing on our website right now? 

Because the WTB&TS could. not by publication date find a picture of astroid 1994 PC1?

Not to worry ….. “they say” it will miss the Earth this afternoon.

[JW Insider]

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

19 hours ago, JW Insider said:

image" from Rev 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, and 20 has not been used since 2012,

So what is it doing on our website right now? 

Yes, you're absolutely right about that. My mistake. There are two relevant pages on the website, and they have never changed even one word from the earliest archives I can find, going back to 2014:

• What Is the Seven-Headed Wild Beast of Revelation Chapter 13?
• What Is the Scarlet-Colored Beast of Revelation Chapter 17?

I know you are aware of this, of course, but the "Revelation 13" page never mentions the United Nations, but it DOES say that a key to understanding the "Revelation 13" beast is to understand "an image of the wild beast" in Revelation 17.

The difference in identification is clear from the web pages:

• "Rev 13" page: The wild beast with seven heads introduced at Revelation 13:1 represents the worldwide political system.
• "Rev 17" page: The scarlet-colored beast, described in Revelation chapter 17, is a symbol of the organization . . . . and is now the United Nations.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

And ordinary people such as myself are supppoed to 'gain accurate knowledge' from you lot ?

And you people think my idea about a True Anointed appearing as the spiritual 'JEW', to guide people from all nations, is a crazy idea. 

Listen to yourselves arguing and quoting reams of scripture, only to disagree on it's meanings. 

And JWs eagerly hope for Armageddon to come, whilst there, in the real world, good people are confused and lied to about Almighty God and Jesus Christ. 

[Dmitar]

 NIV 2 Tim 4:1-5

4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 
 

[Witness]

17 hours ago, Witness said:

Why are there some who are victorious at winning the war against the Beast in chapter 15, rejecting its mark and are killed by it, and others who never faced the Beast – who never fell captive to it and “worshipped” it?  It is because of their flawed timetable of when Christ’s thousand years began and when it ended – with the advent of the Wt.  

This needs to be clearer.  Jesus began reigning in the first century, and this is when the symbolic “thousand years” began. (Ps 110:1,2; Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55,56; 1 Cor 15:25)  Satan was “abyssed”, unable to perceive how to deceive and take “captive” through empty philosophy, (Col 2:8) the anointed ones.  (Luke 10:18-20; Rev 20:1-4)  During that time, the anointed never faced Daniel’s fourth Beast; thus they never accepted its mark/identity, and they never “worshipped” it. (Rev 13:4,8,16)  But the last of the anointed are the subject of Satan’s deceitful test, because we’re at the end of his reign. When this all over, he’s toast, and God’s Kingdom begins. (Isa 33:1; 1 Cor 15:26; Rev 20:10-14)

After thousands of years, do any of us believe he will turn over what he’s built without a fight? His target is the anointed ones, because the last of the faithful ones under Christ will complete the Temple “building”. (Gal 4:24,26; Rev 12:1,2,4,15; Zech 4:6,7; Eph 2:20-22; Dan 7:18)  But, they must walk in his path; persecuted by their people, thrown out of the “congregation”, considered spiritually “dead”/”killed” by the Beast. (Phil 3:10-12; John 16:2; Rev 13:15)

Is that what the Wt teaches?  They teach that all need to remain secure within the organization, that they are already safe from Satan’s tactics, as long as they are obedient to the organization’s leaders; and it is the world outside that will bring them down.  Well, that’s an age-old form of trapping someone in, to do their will.  (Isa 29:20,21; Amos 3:5; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)

Satan’s bulls eye right now, is on them, and it began when he was let loose from the abyss of “not perceiving” – when he was freed to DECEIVE the anointed remnant.  (2 Tim 3:1-9; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:10,11; Deut 29:18; Matt 7:20; Heb 12:15; Rev 9:1,2,11;13:11,12)  

This test against those in the “woman” New Covenant, began with the advent of the Watchtower.  The test is based solely on DECEIT, NOT ON THE ACTIONS HAPPENING ON THE POLITICAL STAGE OF THE WORLD.  What we see on the physical front is a diversion, a military tactic - a ruse by Satan -  to deceive all in the organization; particularly, the anointed.

It should be a question in one’s conscience, to ask how an organization touting it belongs to the God of truth, has allowed deceptive doctrine to continue stringing its members along, when in any other aspect of life, most people would reject any organization, any people, who kept convincing their listeners, to accept its promises, that repetitively turned out to be lies.  Not just once, but hundreds of times over.  This organization is not owned by a God of truth, or ruled over by His Son who is truth.  (Jer 23:16;John 14:6)  When Israel was told “do not listen to the prophets…They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth”, what happened to those who refused to accept the warning, and kept listening to the false prophets? Jer 23:23-33  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+23%3A23-33&version=CSB

God’s decrees concerning today’s “prophets” have not changed.  

Jesus “heals” us with his word… of truth. He would never gouge us with a falsehood, or allows his faithful servants to do so, with false doctrines that are established for years.  The gouge just gets deeper as time goes by; and THE,N with “new light”, the emotional, spiritual wound of a lie is supposedly healed over, in an instant? 

For from the least to the greatest of them,
everyone is making profit dishonestly.
From prophet to priest,
everyone deals falsely.
¹⁴ They have treated my people’s brokenness superficially,
claiming, “Peace, peace,”
when there is no peace.
¹⁵ Were they ashamed when they acted so detestably?
They weren’t at all ashamed.
They can no longer feel humiliation.
Therefore, they will fall among the fallen.
When I punish them, they will collapse,
says the Lord.  Jer 6:13-15

This organization is Satan’s ploy, and it has worked out well for him, for the GB, for the organization.  No longer though, the world is catching on to the obvious signs of the organization’s sins.  The anointed and those with them who are fully awake, will continue to readily expose Satan’s deceitful end-time magnum opus – the rest of the iceberg that lays hidden under the sea.  (Rev 18:4-8)

 

 

[Dmitar]

8 minutes ago, Witness said:

This needs to be clearer.  Jesus began reigning in the first century, and this is when the symbolic “thousand years” began. (Ps 110:1,2; Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55,56; 1 Cor 15:25)  Satan was “abyssed”, unable to perceive how to deceive and take “captive” through empty philosophy, (Col 2:8) the anointed ones.

Indeed, it should. Only Christians like you and Jehovah's Witnesses like @JW Insider believe that nonsense. If people would follow your reasoning, "perfection" would have already set in. There's no such thing as a Spiritual 1000-year reign and a literal 1000-year reign.

The Bible says (and the Creed declares) that when Jesus ascended into heaven that He sat down at the right hand of God the Father ( Hebrews 10:12 ). This fact – that He is seated at the right hand of God the Father – is important enough to be repeated no less than 12 times in the New Testament.

There's a difference between sitting at the right hand of God, to Christ Being enthroned and taking over. A thousand years is but a day to God. That just happened, after Jesus ascension in preparation for the heavenly kingdom. Stop making things up. 

Once again:

NIV 2 Tim 4:1-5

4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 

For once, John is correct. People that visit here come to learn something by debate. All they learn is "bad reports" by bad actors. However, he needs to include himself and not criticize anyone, when he does the same.

Jehovah's Witnesses and Former Jehovah's Witnesses acting in unison by betraying YHWH.

[Witness]

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

• "Rev 13" page: The wild beast with seven heads introduced at Revelation 13:1 represents the worldwide political system.
• "Rev 17" page: The scarlet-colored beast, described in Revelation chapter 17, is a symbol of the organization . . . . and is now the United Nations.

w19 September pp. 10-11 par. 11 Armageddon Is Good News! ***
Jehovah will destroy “the great prostitute” by means of “the ten horns” of “a scarlet-colored wild beast.” That figurative wild beast represents the United Nations. The ten horns represent the current political powers supporting that organization.

ws12 6/15 p. 18 par. 15 Jehovah Reveals What “Must Shortly Take Place” ***
The religions of Christendom are surely part of Babylon the Great. False religions have publicly supported the image of the beast, that is, the League of Nations and the United Nations,

None of this is consistent.  So, which is it?  Is the Beast the UN or now a “worldwide political system”? And is this political system totally "worldwide", because Russia is not part of the UN..or is it? What about China, North Korea?   Or, is at the Wt 19 says, only those "worldwide" political powers that support the UN? The waters appear to be very muddied.  Ezek 34:18,19

The Beast of Rev 13:1,2 receives spirit from a false prophet. (Rev 13:11,12,15)   What false prophet assisted in "giving breath" to the UN, creating its "image"?   

[Dmitar]

It is praiseworthy when people actually start showing some reasoning. 

Now show some biblical intelligence.

NIV Rev 13:11-17

11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 
 

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

It is praiseworthy when people actually start showing some reasoning. 

Now show some biblical intelligence.

NIV Rev 13:11-17

11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 
 

Nice, you cited  the scriptures.  Now,

2 hours ago, Witness said:

The Beast of Rev 13:1,2 receives spirit from a false prophet. (Rev 13:11,12,15)   What false prophet assisted in "giving breath" to the UN, creating its "image"?