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7 hours ago, Arauna said:

This woman is NOT the anointed  (the bride is spoken of betrothed to christ) but this same heavenly woman is prophesied in Genesis 3:15. She would bring forth the SEED that eventually would crush Satan's head!   Paul calls the main part of the seed - the Christ.  So this seed christ comes from this heavenly woman. So does it refer to an earthly woman or a heavenly one?  Well - since Satan also has heavenly seed - or angels who fight against the heavenly SEED of Jehovah it stands to reason an earthly woman does not have power to fight spirit beings.  So this is a heavenly woman that is often spoken of in the bible as a wife of Jehovah and he is her husbandly owner.   It is his heavenly organization from where Jesus came to earth.   

You said once, that women represent covenants, and you used Gal 4:26.  The "New Covenant" that the anointed are under, is a "woman" - a "mother" of life as @Kick_Faceinatordescribed.  It is New Jerusalem and is found not in an established, physically perceived location in heaven, but is found within the hearts of anointed. (Luke 17:21)  It is the same woman that Satan is trying to destroy by a "flood" of lies and that sadly, you partake in.  (Rev 12:15; 16:13-16; Luke 17:26-27; Rev 3:17-22)

Your concept, or I should say the falsehood of your leadership, of who the woman is, did not give birth to Jesus Christ, since Jesus was around before any angel was ever created.  And it was through Jesus, that angels were created.  So, since "all things have been created through him and for him", how could it give birth to him? 

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
    before his deeds of old"

Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
    rejoicing always in his presence"  Prov 8:22,30

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy."  Col 1:15-18

Jesus was the promised seed for his physical nation.  That promise was fulfilled through the "woman" covenant with Israel (Hagar - Gal 4:25), but also the covenant made with Abraham for a seed (Sarah - Gal 4:24,31,26).  (Rom 4:13)  Jesus as this human heir, replaced Adam.  1( Cor 15:45; Gal 3:16)

The "woman"/New Jerusalem/"mother"/Sarah is also a promise of more seed...in the "144,000" Bride of Jesus Christ. (1 Pet 3:6,14)  Since Jesus inaugurated the New Covenant at his death, which is the woman of Revelation 12:1-5 how could he be "born" from that woman?  The Abrahamic covenant promise of seed continues, until the Kingdom is established.  A "third generation" of seed at the union of Christ and his Bride, will bring forth children.  (John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15; Rom 8:19,21; Rev 21:2-5; 22:2,17)

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Arauna said:

This woman is NOT the anointed  (the bride is spoken of betrothed to christ) but this same heavenly woman is prophesied in Genesis 3:15. She would bring forth the SEED that eventually would crush Satan's head!   Paul calls the main part of the seed - the Christ.  So this seed christ comes from this heavenly woman. So does it refer to an earthly woman or a heavenly one?  Well - since Satan also has heavenly seed - or angels who fight against the heavenly SEED of Jehovah it stands to reason an earthly woman does not have power to fight spirit beings.  So this is a heavenly woman that is often spoken of in the bible as a wife of Jehovah and he is her husbandly owner.   It is his heavenly organization from where Jesus came to earth.   

The Bible gives various descriptions of the relationship between God and man. An interpretation of symbolic descriptions that is not explained in the biblical text itself can very easily lead to errors, wrong ideas and misconceptions.

Who is a woman/wife to whom, and who is a bride to whom or a child to which parents can lead to complications. If JHVH has a "wife", then I guess he has a "child" with her. If Jesus has a "bride" to marry, then I guess he will have a "child" with her too. :)) 

According to the old law, only male children are counted. What is the relationship between these two "sons", from YHVH and from Jesus? What is the relationship of their "wives"? 

God's law knows the institute of divorce. Both in symbolic marriage and description, there was a divorce between YHVH and his earthly wife. You say God has a heavenly wife. So God has or had two wives, one in heaven and the other on earth. Will there be a divorce between Jesus and his bride / wife when Jesus returns all authority to his Father? I think it all gets complicated to understand. :) 

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

Wt. uses blasphemously in judicial committees

The whole judicial process of 3 men taking you in the back room in secret is unbiblical.

If after going to your brother or sister about their “problem” doesn’t work (Matthew 18:15), and after taking two others along and taking to them about said “problem” still doesn’t work (Matthew 18:16);

then the church is to be involved in the matter:

“If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.” Matthew 18:17.

Well, who is “the church”? 

The church the Body of Christ:

“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.” Colossians 1:24

He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.” Colossians 1:18

When was the last time an anointed was involved in a judicial matter? All these judicial matters are supposed to be brought before the anointed body of Christ before any decision is made.

Does this happen? No. Instead they get 3 men to judge you in secret. 

The only trial ever recorded in the Bible which was done in secret was the trial of Jesus Christ. 

“For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.” Ephesians 5:12

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56 minutes ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

 ..... If after going to your brother or sister about their “problem” doesn’t work (Matthew 18:15) ....

Matthew 18:15 states (In contemporary language ...) that a person has the right to face his accuser.

That principle is enshrined in the U.S, Constitution, as well.

The REAL principle is basic fairness.

Either your Judicial Process are fair ....

... or they are Star Chambers.

... or  "Room 101".

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3 hours ago, Witness said:

The "woman"/New Jerusalem/"mother"/Sarah is also a promise of more seed...in the "144,000" Bride of Jesus Christ. (1 Pet 3:6,14)  Since Jesus inaugurated the New Covenant at his death, which is the woman of Revelation 12:1-5 how could he be "born" from that woman?

All this stuff reminds me of the Jimmy Carter Administration, when you could only buy gas if it was an even numbered day and you had "even number" license plates, unless of course your vehicle had out of State tags, or it was Tuesday and you were an Eskimo, or your drivers' license was in braille.

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4 hours ago, Pudgy said:

All this stuff 

 

7 hours ago, Witness said:

The "woman"/New Jerusalem/"mother"/Sarah is also a promise of more seed.

🙂  The Bible can give us various descriptive terms of the same thing.  Example - a food store can also be called a market, a supermarket, grocery, mercantile or Walmart.  They are generally the same, but also give their own personal meaning to it.  

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On 7/29/2021 at 1:59 PM, Witness said:

 

🙂  The Bible can give us various descriptive terms of the same thing.  Example - a food store can also be called a market, a supermarket, grocery, mercantile or Walmart.  They are generally the same, but also give their own personal meaning to it.  

Hence we need a TRUE ANOINTED that ARE Inspired of God's Holy Spirit, to be that spiritual JEW that will lead us 'little dogs' to God through Christ. BUT this needs to happen Earth wide now, before the coming Judgement. Because I believe that Armageddon is going to be a real 'physical' happening, and I believe this Earth will be cleansed.. 

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13 hours ago, Arauna said:

I have never seen the word "true anointed" in the bible.  You are going to wait a looooooong time!

I've never seen the words 'Governing Body' in the scriptures either.  

But you know why I use the term 'True Anointed', because your Bosses / GB say that a lot of 'anointed ones' are mentally ill. So I am only talking about a True Anointed remnant, not so called 'mentally ill' people.  But of course Jesus Christ has the authority and know his real Brothers. 

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19 hours ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

Well, who is “the church”? 

The church the Body of Christ:

“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.” Colossians 1:24

He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.” Colossians 1:18

When was the last time an anointed was involved in a judicial matter? All these judicial matters are supposed to be brought before the anointed body of Christ before any decision is made.

To the anointed, Paul said, 

"If any of you has a grievance against another, how dare he go to law before the unrighteous instead of before the saints! 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

4So if you need to settle everyday matters, do you appoint as judges those of no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Is there really no one among you wise enough to arbitrate between his brothers? 6Instead, one brother goes to law against another, and this in front of unbelievers!

7The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means that you are thoroughly defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, even against your own brothers!"  1 Cor 6:1-8

The organization gets around all of this truth in two ways, by stating that the elder body "represents the holy priesthood"...and now stating that every JW is the spiritual Temple of God - the Body of Christ.  1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Thess 2:3,4,8-10

New light, which will backfire once Christ exposes the man of lawlessness present in the organization.  

1 Cor 3:16,17 - 
"Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

If anyone [a]defiles ("destroys") the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."

We can also keep in mind that the Spirit of God dwelling in the anointed heart, is a sign of inspiration, which the GB alone says they do not have.  How then, can their followers be inspired, if they aren't?

 

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@Arauna Yes, Genesis 3:15, the original prophecy, the Edenic Promise, first Promise of God. The Fallen One's act in Eden did not know about God's contingency, a hope for mankind by means of this promise, for this Fallen One is to be crushed by the offspring of the woman (Revelations 12:1), as a minor note, some people seem to forget Galatians 4:4, which is in connection to that, let alone Isaiah 7:14. For some they confuse the woman with being literally Sarah or Mary, which is false, when in reality, it is Heavenly Jerusalem in this sense; and to Apostle Paul's credit for using Sarah as figuratively in his allegorical statement.


The Christian Congregation itself, as a group (The Church), is also spoken of as woman, the one of whom you speak since the Promised Seed was mentioned. Moreover, just by John 3:16 alone, it is very evident to whom God sent to crush the Fallen One, The Devil and how it will be done (Revelations 20:1-3, 10, 15). For during Jesus' preaching of the gospel, Jesus himself identified the serpent/snake from Genesis 3:15 as Satan and his seed to be that of his ill influenced followers (Matthew 23:33; John 8:44). When all this comes to fruition, in turn, this will give mankind itself hope, and what is to come, for our early parents have lost such - of which everyone here seems to be in agreement upon, living forever by means of eternal life.


Some other points would be, which I do not think anyone brushed up on was although Jesus was with his Father, the fact that God himself caused his only begotten Son to be born through Mary, a descendant of David, hence Galatians 4:4/Isaiah 7:14. Mary was an imperfect young woman, however, Jesus, did not inherit imperfection from Mary, for he was God’s Son. For at this point, Jesus was noted as The Son of Man, an expression used in Scripture for several, including, Jesus Christ due to being born in the flesh, becoming human. The term also indicates that Jesus would fulfill the prophecy found in Daniel 7:13, 14. From there, which was mentioned, God giving the spirit to Jesus during his baptism - which in turn, the verses in question, points directly to Galatians 3:16 regarding the Promised Seed, as is with what the sacred secret is in connection to, hence 2 Timothy 1:10.


Now what I find a bit of a half truth said by some here is that in regards to the Kingdom itself in regards to Luke 17:21 (one of those verses people get duped by via textual violations), which was already mentioned in the other thread, but here concerning hearts, this condition stems not from within (for they are touched by God's Kingdom for the heart) Christians themselves, but God’s Kingdom as shown in Scripture is shown to have a true location -

  • Matthew 4:17 - From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

So the latter was incorrect in the remark towards you, hence textual violation of is in view.


As we can see, in the Bible, it identifies it has having a location, even going as far as to refer to it as by calling it the kingdom of heaven. And it is known that God's Kingdom in of itself is an established form of government that operates it's ruling authority from heaven and that with any kingdom, it has its people who serve God (Psalms 2:4-6;Daniel 7:13, 14; Isaiah 9:7). More so, Jesus himself is the one to begin the preaching of the gospel concerning the Kingdom itself, not to mention the fact that the kingdom itself will indeed have enemies that wants to destroy it as we read in Psalms 2:1-9; and 110:1, as well as in 2; 1 Corinthians 15:25, 26, plus references. In addition to that, concerning the kingdom, Jesus declared that in Luke 22:28-30, Jesus the Apostles that they will soon join him in the Kingdom of heaven and to be seated on thrones, so those that speaks of it being just only a in our hearts fail to see the bigger notation of what God's Kingdom truly is, to mankind even, such ones also misuse said verses in Luke and Revelations as well, thus going upon their own exegesis.


As you can see how those who mentioned such via textual error of the verse in question results in the latter response.


Now, another factor I am seeing is everyone already agrees on the fact Jesus pre-existed, hence him being around when God himself created everything, mainly through him (which KJV has butchered by adding words unrelated to the Strong's). At this point, we can see that Jesus had not been born in the flesh yet. He was still with his Father, our God.
 

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